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Tutankhamun was not black: Egypt antiquities chief
AFP ^ | September 25, 2007

Posted on 09/26/2007 11:58:41 AM PDT by presidio9

Egyptian antiquities supremo Zahi Hawass insisted Tuesday that Tutankhamun was not black despite calls by US black activists to recognise the boy king's dark skin colour.

"Tutankhamun was not black, and the portrayal of ancient Egyptian civilisation as black has no element of truth to it," Hawass told reporters.

"Egyptians are not Arabs and are not Africans despite the fact that Egypt is in Africa," he said, quoted by the official MENA news agency.

Hawass said he was responding to several demonstrations in Philadelphia after a lecture he gave there on September 6 where he defended his theory.

Protestors also claimed images of King Tut were altered to show him with lighter skin at the "Tutankhamun and the Golden Age of the Pharaohs" exhibit which leaves Philadelphia for London on September 30.

The exhibition sparked an uproar when it kicked off in Los Angeles in June 2005 when black activists demanded that a bust of the boy king be removed because the statue portrays him as white.

The face of the legendary pharaoh, who died around 3,300 years ago at the age of just 19, was reconstructed in 2005 through images collected through CAT scans of his mummy.

The boy king's intact tomb caused an international sensation when it was discovered by Briton Howard Carter in 1922 near Luxor in southern Egypt.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: africa; ancientegypt; cleopatra; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; ignorance; kingtut; neitherwascleo; nubians; tut; tutankhamun; whiteguilt
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1 posted on 09/26/2007 11:58:44 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Great...now can the Egypt antiquities chief rule on Bill Clinton?


2 posted on 09/26/2007 12:00:03 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: presidio9
These are the same delusional people who insist their ancestors flew on wings around the Pyramids . . . .

. . . you really can't argue with the insane.

Of course, you can't give in to their demands either. Good on the director of antiquities.

3 posted on 09/26/2007 12:00:35 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: presidio9
Finally Erik Von Daniken has been proven right:

Egyptians are neither Arabs nor Africans; they are space aliens!

Who else could have built the pyramids?

4 posted on 09/26/2007 12:01:45 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: presidio9

If the Egyptians aren’t black as they clearly are not, deal with it, you black activist nincompoops.


5 posted on 09/26/2007 12:02:10 PM PDT by Post Toasties (It's not a smear if it's true.)
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To: presidio9

The Egyptians PAINTED all their statues. So did the Greeks. Modern people in India also paint statues. You really can’t tell the color of the subject of a bust by looking at the color of the stone.


6 posted on 09/26/2007 12:02:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: presidio9

This means that blacks should pay Jews reparations for slavery...


7 posted on 09/26/2007 12:02:54 PM PDT by Revenge of Sith
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To: presidio9

can’t you take x-rays or DNA analysis to determine the race?


8 posted on 09/26/2007 12:04:05 PM PDT by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: presidio9

If Black people would study our own REAL history, then we could be proud of who we are and what we have accomplished, and not need to INVENT a false history of so-called royalty which has nothing to do with the average Black person. And for the record, many East Indians and Arabs and Australians are darker than we are (in the US), and I wouldn’t call them “Black”.


9 posted on 09/26/2007 12:04:39 PM PDT by Clock King (Bring the noise!)
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To: presidio9

I was in Baldwin Hills (a predominantly Black area of Los Angeles) a few years back. I noticed that the folks made Cleopatra out to be Black even though she has a Greek parent. I am White and Native American (Lenape/Cherokee) and don’t portray myself as only one. The truth is more important to me.


10 posted on 09/26/2007 12:05:01 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: Revenge of Sith

11 posted on 09/26/2007 12:05:16 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: presidio9

If Egyptians were black, who were the Nubians?


12 posted on 09/26/2007 12:06:26 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: presidio9

I thought Eddie Murphy was a dead ringer for Tut. No? Then why did he play him in an MJ video?


13 posted on 09/26/2007 12:06:29 PM PDT by BushMeister ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: presidio9

“He’s my favorite honkey.”


14 posted on 09/26/2007 12:06:28 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: presidio9

Can Al Sharpton be far behind?


15 posted on 09/26/2007 12:06:53 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Don't give me none of that jibba-jabba! Only a black man wears that kind of gold jewelry fool!

16 posted on 09/26/2007 12:07:04 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
Doesn't look black to me.

17 posted on 09/26/2007 12:09:34 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: presidio9

Two very prominent Roman generals were conversing when one of them, who came from an old Patrician family, told the other, a man of humble beginnings; “If you only had a family tree, you’d have everything.” To which the other general replied “That’s the difference between us-you’re at the bottom of your family tree; I’m at the top of mine.” Moral: only losers find it necessary to flaunt the successes of their ancestors.


18 posted on 09/26/2007 12:09:56 PM PDT by Spok
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To: presidio9
The exhibition sparked an uproar when it kicked off in Los Angeles in June 2005 when black activists demanded that a bust of the boy king be removed because the statue portrays him as white.

Funny....I always thought he was gold.....


19 posted on 09/26/2007 12:11:31 PM PDT by edpc (Benchmarks = vandalism)
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To: BushMeister

I thought Eddie Murphy was a dead ringer for Tut. No? Then why did he play him in an MJ video?

Please. It's well-known that this was what King Tut looked like.

Watch out for that quicksand cake!

20 posted on 09/26/2007 12:12:07 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: chaosagent
If Egyptians were black, who were the Nubians?

Why, the descendants of the Oldbians, of course!

21 posted on 09/26/2007 12:13:36 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: presidio9

Egypt was the first great cosmopolitan society, drawing in different peoples from all over the middle east over 1,000s of years.

Given the proximity of Egypt to ancient Nubia (Sudan) there is little doubt that people of the Negroid race migrated to Egypt and lived there as well, along with other peoples and people who were long there before those migrations.

However, claiming a pure “racial” identity back then to ancient Egypt would be like claiming one for the US today and by most accounts the Negroid component was less than it is in the US today.

Modern history has continued to redefine “Egyptian”, due to Greek, Roman and eventually Arab and Muslim conquerors who supplied their own additions to the Egyptian population. The majority of Egypt today is said to be, genetically, semitic, in the same family as most “Arabs” and Jews.


22 posted on 09/26/2007 12:13:43 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: presidio9
Guess we need to break the news to them about Cleopatra being a Ptolemy.
23 posted on 09/26/2007 12:14:30 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: chaosagent

The Nubians were the people living just south of Egypt.They were also known as Kushites.
Fact is that there was quite a bit of intermingling between Egypt and Nubia throughout history.
And if you have ever seen a picture of Tut’s mom,Queen Tiy,there is not much doubt to me that she is quite”Negroid”in features.
Its absurd to say Egypt was completely white,black or Arab.They were as mixed ethnically as you can possibly get.


24 posted on 09/26/2007 12:14:36 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: presidio9

The mummies of the Pharoahs have been around long enough to be studied over and over. The face of Tut, the face of Ramses...they were not Black. Their skin was darkened in the mummification process, but they were not Black.


25 posted on 09/26/2007 12:15:31 PM PDT by mak5
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To: Clock King
There's plenty of real history, as you say, to be had in West Africa, where the ancestors of most black Americans originated, without making up nonsense.

It's sort of like the folks who came from honest Scottish farmers (as I did, mostly) having to invent themselves some made-up tartan pattern and kinship with Bonnie Prince Charlie (who was actually half Polish, one quarter Italian, and the rest mostly French and Danish). It's usually harmless, but in the case of some of these activists I think it's crossed the line.

26 posted on 09/26/2007 12:16:30 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Loser
'Tut is black' protesters...

27 posted on 09/26/2007 12:18:06 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: oh8eleven

“He gave his life for tourism.”


28 posted on 09/26/2007 12:19:33 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean THEY aren't out to get you...)
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To: presidio9

Of course they are African ... were born on the continent of Africa. Just because you were born on the continent of Africa does not mean your skin color is black.


29 posted on 09/26/2007 12:20:05 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Riverman94610
The parentage of Tiye has been determined by recent scholarship (2006) to be Egyptian, not Nubian.

Another myth exploded.

30 posted on 09/26/2007 12:20:12 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Spok
Two very prominent Roman generals were conversing when one of them, who came from an old Patrician family, told the other, a man of humble beginnings; “If you only had a family tree, you’d have everything.” To which the other general replied “That’s the difference between us-you’re at the bottom of your family tree; I’m at the top of mine.”

I remember reading long ago (I'm 45 years out of college) what must be essentially the same story. The version I read went: Old Patrician: "Your low birth puts you beneath me". Young General: The differance between my birth and yours is that your family ends with you, while mine begins with me!

That story has been very helpful to me at times through the years.

31 posted on 09/26/2007 12:21:02 PM PDT by FairWitness
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To: chaosagent

Many of the Nubians were slaves of the Egyptians. I attended the King Tut exhibit in Philadelphia. One of the items shown was a black Nubian walking stick, with a Nubian form bent backwards as the handle.


32 posted on 09/26/2007 12:21:58 PM PDT by kabar
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

“He’s got a condo made of stone-a.”


33 posted on 09/26/2007 12:22:35 PM PDT by bigcat32
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To: Wuli

Shh... you’re not supposed to mention the semitic family and the Arab and Jewish connection.

The uneducated will be confused.


34 posted on 09/26/2007 12:23:38 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife
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To: svcw

Cue the old joke about Charlize Theron being the first African American to win an Oscar for "Best Actress"...

35 posted on 09/26/2007 12:24:41 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

Or Terayza potentially being our first African-American First Lady.


36 posted on 09/26/2007 12:25:32 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; Wuli

Actually, it’s always confused me how an arab can be antisemitic. Are we talking self-loathing or something.


37 posted on 09/26/2007 12:26:51 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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"Egyptians are not Arabs and are not Africans despite the fact that Egypt is in Africa,"

Well, they are Africans, since they lived and continue to live in Africa. They weren't and aren't primarily sub-Saharan or black Africans, though.

Quite honestly, I don't believe there are very many people of whatever ethnicity today who are entitled to boast about the accomplishments or culture of the ancient Egyptians. Modern Egyptians turned their backs on that civilization with their embrace of Islam and other religions. And it makes about as much sense for a person originating from West Africa to lay claim to ancient Egypt as it does for an Irishman to claim ancient Athens as his heritage.
38 posted on 09/26/2007 12:28:44 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: presidio9
Egyptian antiquities supremo Zahi Hawass insisted Tuesday that Tutankhamun was not black

Of course he wasn't.

Who was ever gullible enough to believe such tripe in the first place?

- John

39 posted on 09/26/2007 12:29:35 PM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: presidio9
RACISTS !

Shaptoon and Jesse Jackass are probably on a plane headed for Egypt to assemble protesters to accuse the study group of "Racism" and "taking away our heritage".

40 posted on 09/26/2007 12:30:48 PM PDT by traditional1 ( Fred Thompson-The ONLY electable Republican Candidate)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Good on the director of antiquities.

I have seen him many times on the Discovery Channel, Learning Channel, etc...

Bout one the straightest shooters most knowledgeable (on his subject) persons I have ever seen.

41 posted on 09/26/2007 12:31:29 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: presidio9

WHA?! He be mah homeboy!


42 posted on 09/26/2007 12:33:39 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: Phantom Lord

Yeah, that guy is probably mooselimb I guess, but he’s an intellectual first. I really enjoy watching him talk.


43 posted on 09/26/2007 12:35:04 PM PDT by Tolsti
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To: svcw
Of course they are African ... were born on the continent of Africa. Just because you were born on the continent of Africa does not mean your skin color is black.

Just as being born in Africa, moving to America and becoming a citizen doesn't make you an African American. Especially if you are white!

44 posted on 09/26/2007 12:35:30 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: presidio9
Three teams of scientists have created the first facial reconstructions of King Tutankhamun based on CT scans of his mummy. The images are strikingly similar both to each other and to ancient portraits of the boy pharaoh, including his depiction on the famed golden mask he wore into the crypt.
45 posted on 09/26/2007 12:36:10 PM PDT by kabar
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To: presidio9
This sad little lizard told me that he was a brontosaurus on his mother’s side.
I did not laugh; people who boast of ancestry often have little else to sustain them.
Humoring them costs nothing and adds to happiness in a world in which happiness is always in short supply.

LAZARUS LONG

46 posted on 09/26/2007 12:36:26 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: presidio9
Yoiks, he was Boy George!


47 posted on 09/26/2007 12:36:36 PM PDT by quark
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“not black despite calls by US black activists to recognise the boy king’s dark skin colour...”

You’d think you were reading Scrappleface.


48 posted on 09/26/2007 12:36:46 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: bigcat32
:) Waaay off topic...but it is a Steve Martin kinda day. I got a new directory...and well, just feel like running outside and yelling 'The new phone book is here! The new phone book is here!'

Better that I post such musings on the internet(s) than act upon them and embarrass my offspring.

PaMom

49 posted on 09/26/2007 12:37:02 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean THEY aren't out to get you...)
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To: svcw
Of course they are African ... were born on the continent of Africa. Just because you were born on the continent of Africa does not mean your skin color is black.

Speaking of which in my above post, I remember several years ago some crazy female black activist got really upset with a black speaker on a panel because he refused to take the moniker African American. She repeatedly insisted he do so. He repeatedly refused. It really ticked her off.

The reason he wouldn't, though he was black, he had never been an American, nor had he ever lived in America!

But to her, simply by having black skin he should call himself an African American.

50 posted on 09/26/2007 12:37:46 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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