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Evangelicals turn on Thompson
Politico ^ | September 26, 2007 | Jonathan Martin

Posted on 09/26/2007 5:49:53 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah

Thompson's refusal to back a nationwide ban on gay marriage has irritated potential supporters.

Fred Thompson is failing to meet expectations that he would rally widespread support from Christian conservatives, and he almost certainly will not receive a joint endorsement from the loose coalition of "pro-family" organizations, according to leaders of the movement.

Many religious conservatives, faced with a Republican primary top tier that lacked a true kindred spirit, initially looked to Thompson as a savior. But the former Tennessee senator has disappointed or just not sufficiently impressed the faith community since his formal campaign launch earlier this month.

While Christian conservatives once seemed willing to readily give Thompson the benefit of the doubt earlier this summer, when questions were raised about his lobbying for a pro-abortion-rights group, they are not willing to turn the other cheek anymore.

Even some on the religious right who remain sympathetic to Thompson are unhappy about his refusal to back a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, and were unpleasantly surprised by his confession that he doesn’t belong to or attend any church and won’t talk about his faith.

It was Thompson’s refusal to discuss his faith that is likely to deny him any unified backing from the organizations that comprise the Arlington Group, the umbrella coalition of almost every major social conservative group in the GOP constellation.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; arlingtongroup; christianvote; electionpresident; elections; evangelicals; fredthompson; homosexualagenda; rino; rinoalert; thompson
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1 posted on 09/26/2007 5:49:53 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: asparagus; Austin1; bcbuster; beaversmom; bethtopaz; BlueAngel; Bluestateredman; borntoraisehogs; ..

Ping to the latest.


2 posted on 09/26/2007 5:52:34 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Catholic4Mitt)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Sorry, we’re not Europe who has a telephone book for a proposed constitution. This does not rise to the level of constitutional necessity. And who knows how a liberal judge would twist even the simplistic wording, if they think that the 2nd applies only to state militias.


3 posted on 09/26/2007 5:53:18 PM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Duncan Hunter all the way. I can sure vote willingly for Thompson if he gets the nomination, though.


4 posted on 09/26/2007 5:54:05 PM PDT by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

“Thompson’s refusal to back a nationwide ban on gay marriage has irritated potential supporters.”

If those “supporters” want a federal nanny, they can vote for other liberals and see their dreams to fruition.


5 posted on 09/26/2007 5:54:10 PM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

That he doesn’t wear his faith on his sleeve or use it as a political tool is actually refreshing.

Oh, and he is correct on the proper role of the federal government/legislation in something that is NOT within its jurisdiction.


6 posted on 09/26/2007 5:54:37 PM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Maybe it’s just me, but from the Politico, something about this story smells really bad...(just plain stinks of a plant)


7 posted on 09/26/2007 5:54:45 PM PDT by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

St. Paul took the message of Christ to pagans and heathens of all kinds, realizing that God must change people inside out. The government of Rome was in power, and there was no real hope of changing it, except from the bottom up. Thompson can’t be as bad as a Roman emperor, can he?


8 posted on 09/26/2007 5:55:20 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

As far as know one prominant evanglical leader, Dobson, has come out against Thompson. And I lost a lot of respect for Dobson on that. If he doesn’t like Thompson then just talk up the guy he does like. Climbing into the mud slinging political pig sty is no place for a Christian.


9 posted on 09/26/2007 5:55:22 PM PDT by joebuck
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To: L98Fiero

Once again, so many so-called “conservatives” who love big government so long as it furthers their agenda but are quick to whine when it doesn’t.


10 posted on 09/26/2007 5:56:56 PM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: kingu

“Sorry, we’re not Europe who has a telephone book for a proposed constitution.”

Thank you. I am in no way in favor of using our Constitution to define words that people have known the definition of since the dawn of civilization because it is politically expedient.


11 posted on 09/26/2007 5:57:30 PM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Another reason I want Duncan


12 posted on 09/26/2007 5:57:33 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Well, he kind of asked for it, didn’t he?


13 posted on 09/26/2007 5:57:35 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Romney Rocks!!!)
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To: mgstarr

Dead on.


14 posted on 09/26/2007 5:58:38 PM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: kingu
This does not rise to the level of constitutional necessity.

BINGO!

15 posted on 09/26/2007 5:59:05 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

This is not a proper question for the National government. Unless the USSC takes it upon itself to rule one way or the other.


16 posted on 09/26/2007 5:59:42 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Is Thompson perfect? No, of course not.

Is he the best we've got among the frontrunners? Most certainly.

The only one better would be Duncan Hunter, but he's having difficulty getting traction.

17 posted on 09/26/2007 6:00:24 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Evangelicals turn on Thompson

We did? Guess I should have made it to our Monday night meeting.

18 posted on 09/26/2007 6:00:52 PM PDT by inkling (exurbanleague.com)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

It’s impossible to win the Presidency with the positions advocated by the religious right.


19 posted on 09/26/2007 6:01:45 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: joebuck
As far as know one prominant evanglical leader, Dobson, has come out against Thompson.

Even he didn't make a public pronouncement. He wrote a private e-mail that got leaked to the press.

20 posted on 09/26/2007 6:01:54 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Here is how some in the Evangelical Movement answered this tripe! From today:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1902707/posts

Gary Bauer seems to have problems with Dobson... not Fred!

LLS

21 posted on 09/26/2007 6:02:46 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

They certainly won’t back his “highness” Mr. Romney either-I’d rather back Fred; than that Liberal.


22 posted on 09/26/2007 6:04:12 PM PDT by JSDude1 (When a liberal represents the Presidential Nominee for the Republicans; THEY'RE TOAST)
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To: L98Fiero
I think it was the fact that he went back and forth on the issue that upset them:

But Weyrich said that after Thompson told members of the group this summer that he supports the Federal Marriage Amendment, the conservative leaders became concerned when they started seeing media reports indicating Thompson didn’t support the measure. Thompson came back again to make his pitch to the group this month and confirmed that, because of his federalist views, he would not back the amendment.

Also, it has been part of the GOP platform as well.

Wednesday, Aug. 25, 2004
NEW YORK – Republicans endorsed an uncompromising stand against gay marriage Wednesday.....A panel made up largely of conservative delegates approved platform language that calls for a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage and opposes legal recognition of any sort for gay civil unions.

23 posted on 09/26/2007 6:04:16 PM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (Mitt = Newt-like brilliance without the baggage)
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To: Brilliant

thats what worries me.


24 posted on 09/26/2007 6:04:37 PM PDT by donnab
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To: Saundra Duffy

At least Fred isn’t dropping like a stone in the polls, like Mitt.

Dropped 10 in NH.


25 posted on 09/26/2007 6:04:50 PM PDT by JRochelle ( Winkle Paw is a Hillary donor.)
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To: RaceBannon

I support Duncan too, but this is a pinheaded reason to oppose Thompson. We are voting for someone to defend the Constitution, not for the priest-in-chief.


26 posted on 09/26/2007 6:04:50 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: joebuck
As far as know one prominant evanglical leader, Dobson, has come out against Thompson. And I lost a lot of respect for Dobson on that.

The American Spectator says Dobson is in the tank for Newt.

27 posted on 09/26/2007 6:05:51 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Hillary 2008: "The willing suspension of disbelief")
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To: MEGoody
The only one better would be Duncan Hunter, but he's having difficulty getting traction

I truly admire Duncan Hunter. He and Mitt Romney agree on more issues than do Hunter and Thompson (i.e. FMA, border fence, tort reform, Human Life Amendment etc).

28 posted on 09/26/2007 6:06:17 PM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (Mitt = Newt-like brilliance without the baggage)
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To: inkling
We did? Guess I should have made it to our Monday night meeting.

Yes. You were supposed to bring the quesedillas.

29 posted on 09/26/2007 6:06:46 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: NeoCaveman

I said that the day Dobson’s email was leaked.


30 posted on 09/26/2007 6:07:28 PM PDT by JRochelle ( Winkle Paw is a Hillary donor.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Surely if two thirds of the country voted in favor of it and congress ratified it I’d be willing to bet Thompson would sign it.


31 posted on 09/26/2007 6:08:29 PM PDT by diverteach
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To: JRochelle

You are good. You had the scoop first, then.


32 posted on 09/26/2007 6:08:46 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Hillary 2008: "The willing suspension of disbelief")
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To: L98Fiero

#####I am in no way in favor of using our Constitution to define words that people have known the definition of since the dawn of civilization because it is politically expedient.#####

The problem is, without the FMA, activist left-wing nanny judges will eventually strip every state in the union of their power to define marriage. This will be followed by stripping churches of their tax exemption if they fail to sanction same-sex “marriages”. What libertarian type conservatives are forgetting is that Loving vs. Virginia and the subsequent Bob Jones ruling have ALREADY federalized marriage law.


33 posted on 09/26/2007 6:09:17 PM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations.)
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To: Brilliant

Many on the religious right don’t understand conservative principles about the proper (limited) role of the federal government either.


34 posted on 09/26/2007 6:09:21 PM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: Larry Lucido
Yes. You were supposed to bring the quesedillas.

Well, it's Dobson's fault that I forgot. That guy never emails the agenda like he's supposed to! I swear, somedays I wonder if I should just join the Calvinists.

35 posted on 09/26/2007 6:09:22 PM PDT by inkling (exurbanleague.com)
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To: L98Fiero
If those “supporters” want a federal nanny, they can vote for other liberals and see their dreams to fruition.

There is not much distance from some of America's home grown fanatics and the ones of the middle east. Believe what we believe are we'll kill you.

36 posted on 09/26/2007 6:09:28 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Evangelicals turn on Thompson

This is untrue. The only person who turns on Fred Thompson is his wife Jeri.

37 posted on 09/26/2007 6:09:32 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Hillary 2008: "The willing suspension of disbelief")
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To: NeoCaveman
The American Spectator says Dobson is in the tank for Newt.

Of course. Newt is in the forefront of the defense of marriage. He's had, what, three himself?

38 posted on 09/26/2007 6:09:48 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: L98Fiero

If all 50 states ban gay marriage i don’t think it would bother him a bit.


39 posted on 09/26/2007 6:10:09 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: diverteach

####Surely if two thirds of the country voted in favor of it and congress ratified it I’d be willing to bet Thompson would sign it.####

Presidents don’t sign constitutional amendments.


40 posted on 09/26/2007 6:10:11 PM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

I am not committed to supporting Fred — CFR makes me pretty disgusted, really — but I can recognize that this is a lightweight, over-the-top hit piece.


41 posted on 09/26/2007 6:10:22 PM PDT by Sloth (You being wrong & me being closed-minded are not mutually exclusive.)
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To: basil

Agreed. Thompson has a PAST. So does Guiliani. Hunter is the great hope.

My hope.


42 posted on 09/26/2007 6:11:18 PM PDT by tennteacher (Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: NeoCaveman
LOL!!!!!

Hey, I've seen some evangelettes who could turn on me, er, turn me on.

43 posted on 09/26/2007 6:11:19 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Puh-lease. It’s more along these lines: a few “evangelical leaders” are miffed that their agenda is not bowed to and genuflected before (wait—that’s Catholic) and, so, rail on Thompson. Some of their followers will fall into lockstep. More of them, though, will look at Hillary and then at Thompson and then over at the “leaders of evangelicalism” and then shake their heads over the Pharisaical boneheadedness and pull the lever for Thompson and save the country from The Beast.


44 posted on 09/26/2007 6:11:26 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: NeoCaveman
LOL.

I just remembered that Dobson had Newt on his show to make a clean confession of all his marital messes.

Naturally Dobson wants access to the White House. I don’t think he would get much if Thompson won.

45 posted on 09/26/2007 6:11:26 PM PDT by JRochelle ( Winkle Paw is a Hillary donor.)
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To: Brilliant
It’s impossible to win the Presidency with the positions advocated by the religious right.

They sure want to be a voice in the upcoming election, but what have they done to earn it? IMHO, not much.

46 posted on 09/26/2007 6:12:37 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: puroresu

“The problem is, without the FMA, activist left-wing nanny judges will eventually strip every state in the union of their power to define marriage.”

So the activist “evangelical” right wing should beat them to the punch? No thank you.


47 posted on 09/26/2007 6:14:00 PM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Brilliant
It’s impossible to win the Presidency with the positions advocated by the religious right.

Unfortunately, it’s also impossible to win the Presidency with anything resembling the positions advocated by the U.S. Constitution.

48 posted on 09/26/2007 6:14:24 PM PDT by Sloth (You being wrong & me being closed-minded are not mutually exclusive.)
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To: NeoCaveman
Dobson is in the tank for Newt Gingrich who has zero chance of winning the primaries let alone the Presidency. I think Dobson needs to lay off the absolutism and goes with a great candidate like Thompson who is very conservative on most issues and the most important one and who will keep fighting the war on terror to protect our freedom and our way of life. Also very important Fred Thompson can crush any democrat candidate in the general elections.
49 posted on 09/26/2007 6:15:33 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

The title alone tells you it’s a hitpiece. Not “some evangelicals” or “many evangelicals,” just “evangelicals.” The reader is invited to assume it is “all.” Not true.

Further, what do the WashPost rejects care about the marriage amendment, except to use it as a wedge issue among conservatives?

Don’t be such a sucker.


50 posted on 09/26/2007 6:15:36 PM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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