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Saudi Arabia: Friend Or Foe?
Investor's Business Daily ^ | 9/26/2007 | The Editors

Posted on 09/27/2007 11:37:55 AM PDT by mojito

A new movie called "The Kingdom" shows Saudis fighting terrorism alongside FBI agents. That's certainly what we'd like to see. But like the flick, it's pure fiction.

There's new evidence the Saudis aren't cooperating in our battle to eradicate terrorists or those who bankroll them. Their negligence is shocking even to cynics.

According to the Treasury Department's top anti-terror official, the kingdom has not prosecuted a single person named by the U.S. or the United Nations as a terror financier. Asked by ABC News how many Saudis have been charged with funding terror since 9/11, Treasury Undersecretary Stuart Levey said, "There have not been any." Not one? "No," he asserted.

In a rare public rebuke of our alleged war ally, Levey pointed out that the Saudi government has failed to go after even men like Yasin al-Qadi, a wealthy Saudi businessman whom both the U.S. and U.N. blacklisted as an al-Qaida financier one month after the 9/11 attacks.

Al-Qadi remains free, still a prominent figure in the kingdom. "And he remains designated to the United Nations for his material support to al-Qaida," Levey fumed. "When the evidence is clear that these individuals have funded terrorist organizations and knowingly done so, then that should be prosecuted and treated as real terrorism."

In another example, a top Saudi charity official whom U.S. prosecutors accused of funneling funds to al-Qaida fighters in Chechnya is still at large.

After the Al-Haramain Foundation was shut down as an al-Qaida front, the official left its U.S. branch in Portland, Ore., and returned to Saudi Arabia. He now works for the city of Riyadh.

The Saudis were supposed to create a commission to police such charities. We're still waiting. Meanwhile, Saudi charities continue to pump millions into the global jihad.

U.S. officials say al-Qaida's resurgence is due in part to a renewed flow of money from the kingdom to operations in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq.

Riyadh continues to look the other way as cash is sent from mosques and charities to support jihadists and Sunni insurgents next door in Iraq.

It's official Saudi policy, moreover, to ignore the flow of Saudi fighters joining the jihad in Iraq. Lost in all the saber-rattling over Iran is the inconvenient fact that the majority of suicide bombers in Iraq are from Saudi Arabia.

Administration officials concede Saudi's role in Iraq has grown "counterproductive," one of many euphemisms used to avoid alienating the Saudi royal family.

Under other circumstances, such behavior might be called acts of war. After all, this is the old home of Enemy No. 1, Osama bin Laden, and 15 of the hijackers he ordered to attack us.

It's highly likely that some of the Saudi nationals killing our troops in Iraq may be recycled al-Qaida terrorists.

Last December, we agreed to release into the custody of Saudi authorities 29 Saudi killers from Gitmo. What did they do with them? Jail them? Work them over for information about new terror plots or leads on other terrorists?

No, Saudi police freed all 29 of them.

That now makes 53 Gitmo terrorists we've returned to Saudi Arabia only to watch them go free. Some have rejoined the battlefield after being released.The Saudi government wants the remaining Saudis held at Gitmo returned. No doubt all of them will be set loose too.

Saudi Arabia's promise to crack down on terrorists is as empty as its vow to clean up its hateful textbooks calling for jihad against infidels.

With friends like the Saudis, who needs enemies?


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: islamicimperialism; saudiarabia; saudifundedterror; waronterror; yasinalqadi
A few days ago I posted an article about Saudi Arabia. I asserted that Saudi Arabia was a totalitarian government and an enemy of the United States. A few FReepers disagreed with my assessment. I continue to hold to my opinion.
1 posted on 09/27/2007 11:37:57 AM PDT by mojito
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To: mojito

Foe. Oil or no oil, we need to identify who the enemies of free people include. Saudi Arabia harbors and finances more of our tewrrorist enemies than any other country. They make Iran look like cub scouts when it comes to supporting terror groups. Money and influence.


2 posted on 09/27/2007 11:42:08 AM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: mojito

Does the label “Necessary Evil” fit? I think so.


3 posted on 09/27/2007 11:42:40 AM PDT by RedCell (Honor thy Father (9/6/07) - Semper Fi)
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To: mojito
[The Saudi government wants the remaining Saudis held at Gitmo returned.]

To save on air fare only the heads of the detainees should be returned.

4 posted on 09/27/2007 11:45:42 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: mojito
There are no things as friends between countries, there are only interests. Saudi Arabia is a strategic interest to the US right now.
5 posted on 09/27/2007 11:46:32 AM PDT by mnehring (!! Warning, Quoting Ron Paul Supporters can be Hazardous to your Reputation !!)
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To: mojito

The Saudis, evil and delicious when toasted over an open flame.


6 posted on 09/27/2007 11:47:58 AM PDT by correctthought (Hippies, want to change the world, but all they ever do is smoke pot and smell bad)
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To: mojito

The Saudis hate and despise America. But, they will do business.


7 posted on 09/27/2007 11:48:16 AM PDT by RightWhale (25 degrees today. Phase state change accomplished.)
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To: mojito

I vote for “mortal enemy”.


8 posted on 09/27/2007 11:49:12 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: RedCell
The question remains: How much evil can be tolerated in the name of expedience? In the case of the Saudis, I believe we’ve reached the proverbial “tipping point.” There are measures, short of armed conflict, that can be brought to bear. It’s time our political establishment stopped looking the other way.
9 posted on 09/27/2007 11:51:06 AM PDT by mojito
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To: shankbear; mojito

They make Iran look like cub scouts when it comes to supporting terror groups. Money and influence.

So why are we getting ready to sell S/A 20 billion in military equipment? Hope and pray that stuff does not get pointed and shot at us after the sale.

As I have written before, let them throw rocks.


10 posted on 09/27/2007 11:51:50 AM PDT by rineaux (Just say NO to taglines)
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To: shankbear
Which brings us back to the question: "why are there no Arabs depicted on Star Trek?"
11 posted on 09/27/2007 11:52:27 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: mojito

Saudi Arabia: Friend or Foe? Depends. Do you see a loan shark a friend or as a foe? Is a dealer a friend or a foe? Is a bookie your friend or your foe?


12 posted on 09/27/2007 11:56:58 AM PDT by philled ("CNBC?...You might as well be doing ham radio at that point."-- Dennis Miller)
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To: mnehrling

From the Saudi point of view, the US is a strategic interest to them. I honestly can’t blame them for conducting their foreign policy to benefit themselves first. I just wish our government did the same.


13 posted on 09/27/2007 11:57:54 AM PDT by Mountain Troll
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To: mojito

I’m all for that but the problem is that our political establishment will not stop looking the other way. Think of how long this has been going on. The same thing is going on with China and has been for quite a while albeit under different circumstances.

It won’t end until there is a substantial change in the mind-set of this country and, barring a rather cataclysmic event, I don’t see this happening. I hate to say it, but that’s how I see it.

The only fly in the ointment, so to speak, would be for the occupant of the Oval Office to actually have a spine and spit in the face of “popular” polling and big-media influence and do what’s right for our country (first) and our allies (second) and perhaps the rest of the world would finally get a clue.

Rant mode off. Gotta get to a conference call. Keep fighting the good fight.


14 posted on 09/27/2007 11:58:03 AM PDT by RedCell (Honor thy Father (9/6/07) - Semper Fi)
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To: mojito

Foe. Oil is second to their number one export - terrorism.


15 posted on 09/27/2007 11:58:10 AM PDT by tennteacher (Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: mojito
Saaudi Arabia makes us a lot of money & vice versa. Therefore we are "friends". (Pay no attention to their human rights abuses, please).

However, I'm more worried that we consider Pakistan an ally.

16 posted on 09/27/2007 12:01:17 PM PDT by gdani
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To: mojito

We have a separation of church and state in this country.

Should mosques that receive funding from the Saudi government be denied tax free status? Or does that only refer to our own government’s imposition of a single religious faith?


17 posted on 09/27/2007 12:11:37 PM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: mojito

We’re on a hand-holding relationship with them, apparently.

I vote for foe though.


18 posted on 09/27/2007 12:12:19 PM PDT by steveyp
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To: mojito
saudi arabia is a foe. There are many reasons as to why they are a foe.....number 1 is their ties to terrorists. I have felt this way since 911.
19 posted on 09/27/2007 12:27:46 PM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk. I Will Be Voting for Mr. Duncan Hunter, fellow FReepers.)
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To: mojito
>"Saudi Arabia's promise to crack down on terrorists is as empty as its vow to clean up its hateful textbooks calling for jihad against infidels.

That would be the queeranus. They lied..... again......

They are only our ally against Iran/decendants of muuuhhHamhead (Pigs be inseminating him).

20 posted on 09/27/2007 12:28:17 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Should beating an unconscious and bleeding person reaaaallly be a crime? Beat it Jessie!)
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To: rawcatslyentist
Saudi Arabia bounces between sides and intrigue, ending up in the foe category; being overrun with Wahabism and Jihad financial and moral support.
21 posted on 09/27/2007 12:35:31 PM PDT by veracious
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To: mojito
A few days ago I posted an article about Saudi Arabia. I asserted that Saudi Arabia was a totalitarian government and an enemy of the United States. A few FReepers disagreed with my assessment.

You were right. Totalitarians, like all theocratic Muslim states.

The Saudis, having financed the development of the Paki nuke, are now re-importing the technology for their own nuclear weapons program.

If nukes hit any of our cities, I expect they will be Saudi nukes, not Iranian.
22 posted on 09/27/2007 1:12:24 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: mojito

Your assessment is accurate, Saudi Arabia is NOT our friend.
I used to receive the Washington Post Weekly until they had several weeks with different supplements on saudi arabia trying to tell us how wonderful the “kingdom” is.
Prue b.s. propaganda and I canceled the subscription.
They had paid off the Post to push their crap. You had to be real stupid to not see through their plan to make this insane backwards sandpit craphole look like an ally.


23 posted on 09/27/2007 2:58:29 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: mojito; xzins
Another good article from this month on the Saudis and their global terrorism:


September 14, 2007 Edition > Section: Foreign > Printer-Friendly Version

The Saudi Reign of Terror

BY YOUSSEF IBRAHIM
September 14, 2007
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/62636

Six years after visiting its brand of terror on New York's World Trade Center and the Pentagon on September 11, 2001, Saudi Arabia has become a world-class exporter of Islamist violence.

The toll is grisly: Well over 3,000 Saudi citizens roaming the world — and just as many schemers are actively involved at home — are managing terrorist networks and planning and executing suicide bombings and jihadist attacks that span the globe:

• More than 30% of the insurgents fighting the Lebanese army at the siege of the Nahr el-Bared refugee camp, which claimed a toll of well over 300 during the past three months, were Saudi fighters.

• Between 20 and 30 Saudis intending to be suicide bombers cross into Iraq every single day. Several thousand more are there fighting, tasked with killing Americans and the aShiite Muslims they view as apostates.

• The ranks of Al Qaeda have been fattened in the past three years, once again with Saudi recruits. More than 1,000 Saudis are currently training in a Qaeda camp in Syria, which itself is the subject of contentious negotiations between Saudi Arabia and the Syrians, who still refuse to arrest them or shut down the camp. Young Saudi men are also training in Al Qaeda camps in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran.

• At least 700 Saudi nationals are held in Iraqi and another 100 in Jordanian jails, all of them charged with terrorist acts or intentions.

• The killing fields that are stocked with Saudi jihadists now include not only Iraq, Lebanon, and Afghanistan, but Somalia, Malaysia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Sudan, the Philippines, Yemen, and, of course, Saudi Arabia itself.

• The main funding source for every radical Islamist movement in the world today, from the Muslim Brotherhood to Hamas, has Saudi origins, and their funders include the country's billionaire businessmen and its royal family.

ABC's "World News Tonight," anchored by Charles Gibson, got it right on the sixth anniversary of the September 11 attacks with an impressive segment documenting how Islamist terror begins — and ends — with Saudi Arabia, its people, and its government.

It conjured an Orwellian image of a conveyor belt with human bombs placed on it running out of the House of Saud and reaching around the globe. Saudi-funded mosques and madrassas supplied ideological content, and wings of the Saudi ruling establishment stoked the fire of its infernal machine.

There is no shortage of evidence for ABC News's case. The numerous sources for it include the CIA, the FBI, the Middle East Media Research Institute, and, astonishingly, the Saudi press itself. The question, therefore, is why the Saudis keep doing it and why America looks the other way.

One reason, of course, is what has become known as the "Bush-Saud Family" factor, which has been documented in many books and articles. Whether it stems from misplaced friendship or financial benefit, it yields the same outcome: a lot of money for the American partner and a lot of clout for Saudis.

President Bush, his family, associates, and friends — going all the way to his father's administration — are deeply beholden to the generosity of the corrupt Saudi royal family. But in fairness, this corrupting process has penetrated deeper than just the Bushes or the Republican Party and reaches into every segment of the American ruling establishment over three decades.

Democratic administrations, including those of Presidents Clinton and Carter, and much of official Washington's diplomatic and journalistic establishment have all eaten at the Saudi table and benefited from the hundreds of millions of dollars spent by the notorious former Saudi ambassador to Washington, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, to gain influence here. His royal highness had the town wrapped around his finger. His money and displays of generosity at his $150 million worth of mansions in Virginia and Colorado, on private planes and sumptuous vacations, as well as through the Saudi "consultancy" contracts he arranged, touched all. That, too, has been amply documented.

The result is that while Washington hears the music, it is not listening to the words.

During the bloody unraveling of the Red Mosque takeover by Pakistani jihadists in Islamabad this summer, the director-general of Saudi TV network Al-Arabiya, Abdelrahman Al-Rashed, immediately wondered if there might have been any Saudis among them.

Why?

Because, he said, since those September 11 attacks, we, the Saudis, have become time bombs, "mentally and politically ready to be pawns in the hands of organizations with very dangerous political plans."

ymibrahim@gmail.com

September 14, 2007 Edition > Section: Foreign > Printer-Friendly Version


If they're our allies in a War On Terror, they sure have a funny way of showing it. Notice all the politicos of both parties paid off in various ways by the Saudi ambassador. I believe that is the one that Rudi told to shove his charity check following 9/11. Well, I suppose every human being must have some redeeming quality, even the leftwing mayor.
24 posted on 09/27/2007 4:48:40 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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Just another liberal film, trying to distort the facts that the peace loving religion of Islam is our friends, attempting to stop the bad guys, most probably the religious right or such. Pure propaganda. Yet another I will not see. Break out an old movie DVD again for the Saturday night movie. Let’s see, John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart, Ward Bond, mummm. Which to pick.


25 posted on 09/27/2007 4:52:45 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (America's stupidity is overshadowed only by its pure stupidity.)
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To: mojito

I was made aware of an amazing statistic this week:

Only 3% of all of our electrical power comes from Oil fired power plants.

To me, it means that we depend on SA only to run our cars, essentially.

I’m now a pretty big believer in the concept of setting a 5 and 10 year goal of replacing the ICE with either a hybrid or full electrical based form of personal transportation.

I think this is a doable thing for most forms of transportation outside trucking and rail.


26 posted on 09/27/2007 4:53:59 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: mojito
I'd like to know who the FReepers are that disagreed.

I'm disgusted with the constant attempts to personalize the ideological battle we face -

We didn't have this pathetic hand-wringing during WW2 - attempting to cherry-pick the good nazis out of the bad ones - we realized that the ALL of the followers of the ideology were our enemies - and rightly so..

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

27 posted on 09/27/2007 7:00:34 PM PDT by expatguy (Support Conservative Blogging - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: expatguy

Here’s the thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1901407/posts


28 posted on 09/27/2007 9:38:56 PM PDT by mojito
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To: mojito

Islamic country= foe.
So simple it scares the hell out of most people.


29 posted on 09/27/2007 9:45:04 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: mojito
Our Enemies the Saudis, by Victor Davis Hanson

Our Enemies the Saudis, by Michael Barone

To answer your question: Foe

30 posted on 09/27/2007 9:49:44 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo ("Hidin' in a corner ...of New York City, lookin' down a .44 in West Virginy")
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To: expatguy
It will be pretty amazing when Thompson comes in as POTUS and all of a sudden the ragheads who actually perpetrated 9/11 are no longer our "allies".

Thompson does not have any oil interests.

31 posted on 09/27/2007 9:58:18 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Rome2000

Yup, unlike the current Prez I can’t imagine Fred kissing and holding hands during strolls with Saudi sheiks. I can’t imagine Hunter doing it either. The country need new GOP blood in the worst way.


32 posted on 09/27/2007 10:03:17 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo ("Hidin' in a corner ...of New York City, lookin' down a .44 in West Virginy")
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To: Lazarus Longer
I make the Saudis owe us about 500 billion in reparations for the WTC, the cost of the war, and pain and suffering/loss of life.

They can pay up soon after 1/20/09 or we'll just take it in free oil.

33 posted on 09/27/2007 10:14:58 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: mojito
I asserted that Saudi Arabia was a totalitarian government and an enemy of the United States

We were attacked on 9/11 by Saudis.
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34 posted on 09/27/2007 10:21:48 PM PDT by radioman
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To: Rome2000

Back in ‘03 I was hoping we’d take some oil in Iraq to pay for the war, but of course we didn’t. The chances of us doing it in Saudi Arabia, unfortunately, is nil.


35 posted on 09/27/2007 10:26:06 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo ("Hidin' in a corner ...of New York City, lookin' down a .44 in West Virginy")
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To: mojito
I asserted that Saudi Arabia was a totalitarian government and an enemy of the United States. A few FReepers disagreed with my assessment.

They did?

We allow mosques on our soil by the hundreds. How many Christian churches are there on Saudi soil?

It'll come to them....this is gonna hurt..like having a cow....

NONE.

Why not?

36 posted on 09/27/2007 11:15:31 PM PDT by FlyVet
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