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Who owned drug plane that crashed in Mexico?
McClatchy Newspapers ^ | September 27, 2007 | ay Root and Kevin G. Hall

Posted on 09/28/2007 9:12:06 AM PDT by Dubya

MEXICO CITY — U.S. authorities are assisting the Mexican government in the investigation of an American business jet that crashed in Cancun this week with four tons of cocaine on board, officials said Thursday.

One of the men listed as the registered owners of the plane, Joao Luiz Malago, said in a telephone interview from Brazil that his Florida-based company sold the aircraft for $2 million on Sept. 16 to a Lakeland, Fla., man and his partner, who Malago believed was from Miami.

Malago said he feared the man was dead because he hasn't been picking up the phone.

Officials at the U.S. Embassy in Mexico had no information on any American citizens being killed or arrested in connection with the aircraft, a 1975 model Gulfstream II.

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


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1 posted on 09/28/2007 9:12:08 AM PDT by Dubya
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To: Dubya

Odd. Link didn’t work.


2 posted on 09/28/2007 9:15:52 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: Dubya

Dubya, you oughta know: Bush’s fault!


3 posted on 09/28/2007 9:16:42 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: 3AngelaD

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/20060.html


4 posted on 09/28/2007 9:17:02 AM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya

This link works: http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/world/09/28/0928mexicojet.html


5 posted on 09/28/2007 9:17:05 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: Dubya

Bill Clinton?


6 posted on 09/28/2007 9:17:27 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: Dubya

Mena?


7 posted on 09/28/2007 9:17:40 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (Join me for the Million Minutemen March --- Summer 2008!!)
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To: Dubya

4 tons in a gulfstream 75 ?

Hmmmm I wonder why it crashed. /sarc


8 posted on 09/28/2007 9:19:31 AM PDT by Celerity
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To: Dubya

Too small a Gulstream to be Al Gore’s.


9 posted on 09/28/2007 9:19:53 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Columbia = Ayatollah U.)
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To: Dubya

Wow, for a minute there I thought they had found Fossett. :>(


10 posted on 09/28/2007 9:20:58 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Dubya

Mexico, drug traffic, US authorities, US embassy, assisting? I wonder how much “assistance” we were giving Mexico before this load of drugs turned up. We have assisted Mexico in human smuggling and I strongly suspect there is some US government cooperation in drug smuggling.


11 posted on 09/28/2007 9:21:05 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: Dubya

8000 pounds of coke, are you kidding me? That $2MM he dropped for the jet was chump change compared to what he would haul in for that amount of blow. Looking at sources of other hauls and their street values, 4 tons could have been worth about $55MM dollars in the US.


12 posted on 09/28/2007 9:22:10 AM PDT by stm (Fred Thompson in 08!)
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To: stm
Looking at sources of other hauls and their street values, 4 tons could have been worth about $55MM dollars in the US.

Is that before or after it is cut? If that is the "pre cut" price, then it would earn more once it was cut and sold. Eitherway, that is a helluva lot of "face drano."
13 posted on 09/28/2007 9:24:58 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Dubya

The conspiracy sites are already saying it was a CIA plane.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=20313


14 posted on 09/28/2007 9:25:50 AM PDT by mnehring (!! Warning, Quoting Ron Paul Supporters can be Hazardous to your Reputation !!)
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To: Celerity

Aircraft Data
GULFSTREAM II

Weights
Ramp Weight LBS: 62,500
Take Off
Weight: 62,000
Landing
Weight: 58,500
Zero Fuel Weight: 42,000
BOW: 36,544
Fuel Cap/lbs/std. 28,300
Useful Load 25,956
Payload with Full Fuel 2,831
Maximum Payload 5,456
Max Range Full Fuel 3,680
NBAA IFR Fuel Reserves 3,445
Power Plant
Manufacturer R-R
Model SPEY 511-8
Thrust 11,400 LBS


15 posted on 09/28/2007 9:26:14 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

So, what’s an extra 2,500 lbs?


16 posted on 09/28/2007 9:33:06 AM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: mnehrling

Enroute to Chappaqua?


17 posted on 09/28/2007 9:34:05 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: Minn

” I bet it was the Diaz brothers.” - Frank Lopez - Scarface


18 posted on 09/28/2007 9:34:36 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Celerity

I was wondering if that was a lot for a small jet of that size. That must be the equivalent of 6 Democrat senators, which is all that can fit in one of those. Must be the reason why Pelosi needed a jumbo jet.


19 posted on 09/28/2007 9:36:49 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: stm

I heard the news say that it was worth something like 250 million. Don’t know if that’s right or not. I often wonder how they come up with their prices, especially when you see grow ops busted and they haul away a bunch of green growing plants, stems and stocks, and mud on the roots.


20 posted on 09/28/2007 9:40:32 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Dubya

Hmmmm...that will put a dent in somebody’s political fundraising campaign. ;)


21 posted on 09/28/2007 9:43:08 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Celerity; Old Professer; Minn
4 tons in a gulfstream 75 ? Hmmmm I wonder why it crashed. /sarc

Given the specs Old Professer posted, I'm wondering how it got off the ground. Should we really believe there were 4 tons aboard? Assuming they had a reasonable amount of fuel along for the ride, looks like they would have been close to double the maximum payload. I don't know anything about aviation, but are planes really designed so they can lift off with nearly twice the load they can safely fly with?

22 posted on 09/28/2007 9:43:34 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Minn
"So, what’s an extra 2,500 lbs?"

apparently the difference between flying and crashing. Someone didn't adjust the fuel load to compensate for the extra weight?

23 posted on 09/28/2007 9:44:32 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
Someone didn't adjust the fuel load to compensate for the extra weight?

From post #15: Payload with Full Fuel 2,831 Maximum Payload 5,456

The way I read it, compensating for the extra weight would have required putting the fuel load well into the negative range. Am I reading the numbers wrong?

24 posted on 09/28/2007 9:48:23 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

How much weight could they strip out of the plane, seats, nonessential plumbing and wiring, walls, carpet, etc?


25 posted on 09/28/2007 9:48:29 AM PDT by mnehring (!! Warning, Quoting Ron Paul Supporters can be Hazardous to your Reputation !!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
They would have had to short the fuel load in favor of the cargo. Which would work for a shorter hop, no need to haul the max fuel load.

The question is one of how much fuel they would need to get to Mena, AR?

26 posted on 09/28/2007 9:49:03 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: mnehrling

Apparently not enough :-)


27 posted on 09/28/2007 9:52:34 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: mnehrling

Or perhaps they accidentally stripped out something that WAS essential. They’d only had the plane for 2 weeks, so it would have to have been a rush job to pull out close to 5000 pounds of “non-essential” stuff.


28 posted on 09/28/2007 9:56:35 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Aircraft are routinely flown over “gross”. In colder climates, 10% over the book figure is considered normal and approved.

The gross weight rating is puplished partly because of structural concerns, but more for airspeed operating envelope, and safe operations in an engine out situation for multi engine airplanes.

Adjust rotation speed, and climb speed, and it will fly. That aircraft probably still climbed in excess of 1,000fpm at sea level with that load. Lose an engine, though, and it is a different story.

As a side note, many of the military aircraft have published operation speeds for various MTOWs. Esentially, adjustable max gross weight ratings.


29 posted on 09/28/2007 10:09:39 AM PDT by wrench
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Imagine that the cocaine was in milk bottles, now imagine arranging them in rows, layers and columns to accomodate 476 bottles; that is how much space 4 tons of powdered coke would require.


30 posted on 09/28/2007 10:12:44 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

One gallon milk bottles.


31 posted on 09/28/2007 10:13:32 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer
Milk bottles from a baby milk factory?:)
32 posted on 09/28/2007 10:24:19 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: stm

An eight ball (1/8 of an ounce) sells for around $200 in the midwest. So the retail value of the coke is over $200 million


33 posted on 09/28/2007 10:48:36 AM PDT by newbolt
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

I recalculated using bricks as a volume measure based on gov. numbers (6”X12”X2”, 21/4 lbs); 24 bricks = 1 cubic foot in volume and weighs 54 lbs.; 1 cu ft will accomodate 4 bottles; 8000/54 = 592.6 bottles.


34 posted on 09/28/2007 11:45:01 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer
I was just making fun of your milk bottles and CNN’S Iraq milk factory.:)
35 posted on 09/28/2007 11:55:44 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: Old Professer

I forgot my mind somewhere in the beginning of this exercise:

At 12”x6”X2” it takes 12 bricks to make one cubic foot

Given 2.25 pounds per brick, 1 cubic foot of cocaine weighs 27 pounds

8000/27 = 296.296 bricks

Four one gallon milk jugs will sit side by side on one square foot of floor

4 X 296 = 1184 stupid milk jugs


36 posted on 09/28/2007 12:17:54 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: mnehrling

Yea the McClatchy site took a couple of shots in that direction too.


37 posted on 09/28/2007 1:03:11 PM PDT by NYCynic
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