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Check Online Yourself - HPV Vaccine Now Associated with 7 Deaths, 3000+ Adverse Reports
LifeSiteNews ^ | 9/28/07 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 09/28/2007 3:13:52 PM PDT by wagglebee

WASHINGTON, September 28, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - An online database, freely available to the public, allows one to search for reported adverse effects from vaccines.  The database covering data for the United States includes the controversial Merck HPV vaccine Gardasil, identified as "HPV4" in the database.

The US Government's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database indicates that there have been 7 deaths associated with administration of Gardasil.  Age is listed for four of the girls who died at: 11, 12, 15 and 19.

VAERS lists 3,137 reported adverse effects stemming from Gardasil.  The database is voluntary and thus is unlikely to include all adverse effects from the vaccine.

The database, placed online by the National Vaccine Information Center, also indicates 44 adverse effects associated with the vaccine's administration were considered "life threatening."  In 94 cases, vaccine recipients required hospitalization.

To search the database online visit:
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.html


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1 posted on 09/28/2007 3:13:59 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 09/28/2007 3:14:28 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Tired of Taxes; metmom; DaveLoneRanger

For your homeschool lists.


3 posted on 09/28/2007 3:15:32 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

They are advertising this vaccine heavily on Spanish-language TV, and I mean heavily, using girls who look like they are 11 years old. It is definitely creepy, and I imagine that it has some Latino fathers extremely upset.


4 posted on 09/28/2007 3:18:08 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: wagglebee
You’re link didn’t lead me anywhere.
5 posted on 09/28/2007 3:19:21 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: wagglebee

Top link. ;)


6 posted on 09/28/2007 3:23:07 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: wagglebee

What sort of illnesses does the vaccine create?


7 posted on 09/28/2007 3:26:04 PM PDT by Clara Lou (I put my money where my mouth is-- Thompson '08)
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To: wagglebee

My oldest of my three daughters just got her first shot recently(three spread out over six months).I have enough problems dealing with my little teen darlings(/S). Now I have to worry about this.A nice Maker’s Mark(or three)on the rocks is definately in my immediate future.


8 posted on 09/28/2007 3:27:46 PM PDT by GQuagmire (Giggety,Giggety,Giggety)
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To: wagglebee

Saw an article today, where men are getting the virus also and getting cancer in the tonsils and neck from it. Time to start vaccinating the little boys also.


9 posted on 09/28/2007 3:29:02 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: wagglebee

What did they die from?


10 posted on 09/28/2007 3:30:50 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: w1andsodidwe

The term “genital warts” is enough to make a lot of people forget about sex altogether and take up golf instead. It almost sounds to me like EVERYBODY should be getting this vaccine, young, old, male, female, and everybody else.


11 posted on 09/28/2007 3:32:58 PM PDT by damondonion
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To: kinoxi

several from heart attacks


12 posted on 09/28/2007 3:34:51 PM PDT by keepitreal
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To: wagglebee
The database is voluntary and thus is unlikely to include all adverse effects from the vaccine.

If by "not all" the author means it may not include all of the adverse reactions that occured then sure. That's any drug. If by "not all" the author means that the list may not include all of the types of adverse reactions that occur, then that's incorrect for all practical purposes.

An interesting number to compare the 7 deaths to would be the number of people who have actually had the vaccine. That would give us a better idea of the scope of the damage this vaccine is causing on the front end (back end to be determined later). Acetominephen (tylenol) is probably associated with more than 7 deaths a month. Consider that in one hospital in Dallas, there were 5 deaths from acetaminophen in a 40 month period. (The New England Journal of Medicine by Drs. Frank V. Schiodt, Fedja A. Rochling, Donna L. Casey, and William M. Lee from the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center.) All drugs have risk. All have adverse events. It SHOULD ALWAYS be the patient's decision to weigh the risk/benefit of the drug with informed consent.

13 posted on 09/28/2007 3:35:12 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: damondonion
"It almost sounds to me like EVERYBODY should be getting this vaccine, young, old, male, female, and everybody else."

You're kidding, right? "EVERYBODY" should be VERY careful about where they put their private parts.....and whether or not they share them with multitudes of people. Sheesh.

14 posted on 09/28/2007 3:36:13 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: damondonion
It almost sounds to me like EVERYBODY should be getting this vaccine, young, old, male, female, and everybody else.

Either you work for Merck or you are a candidate for the most ridiculous statement of the day.

15 posted on 09/28/2007 3:36:28 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: damondonion

If people are dying it’s not worth the risk.


16 posted on 09/28/2007 3:36:45 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: wagglebee
Age is listed for four of the girls who died at: 11, 12, 15 and 19.

I'm sure they all wanted to be one less. One less . . . . victim of Gardisil.

17 posted on 09/28/2007 3:38:23 PM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: keepitreal

I’m curious. Thanks.


18 posted on 09/28/2007 3:40:02 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Orange1998
If people are dying it’s not worth the risk.

Not necessarily. You would have to do some serious statistical analysis to determine that. It is certainly not something we should put in the water. It does appear to meet a legitimate unmet medical need and thus provides a benefit to a subset of the population.

19 posted on 09/28/2007 3:40:17 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: Orange1998

This is a Cancer vaccine.


20 posted on 09/28/2007 3:41:00 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Orange1998

It’s really simple though, you simply compare a person’s risk to getting a disease to the risk of dying from the vaccine. It sucks and I hope we can do better but you don’t take a drug that saves more lives then it takes.


21 posted on 09/28/2007 3:41:32 PM PDT by Raymann
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To: the808bass

“It SHOULD ALWAYS be the patient’s decision to weigh the risk/benefit of the drug with informed consent.

Gardisil is given to teenage girls under 18.In this case it’s up to the parents.At my kids’ doctors office they have a day of the week for 2hrs every week just to give these shots.


22 posted on 09/28/2007 3:41:39 PM PDT by GQuagmire (Giggety,Giggety,Giggety)
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To: kinoxi

One of the problems has been Gilliaume-Barre Syndrome(spelling could be off a tad...). I don’t know that any of the deaths are associated with that condition, but it sure is a serious complication. Also, the vaccine is only effective for 5 years and right now, no booster vaccine exists.

Parents should give this one very serious thought before they go forward with the series of injections.


23 posted on 09/28/2007 3:42:04 PM PDT by trimom
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To: Petronski
I'm sure they all wanted to be one less. One less . . . . victim of Gardisil.

When pondering the actual human cost of adverse events, it's a bit staggering. A well-intentioned mom goes to the doctor and gets a vaccine for her daughter to prevent a possible future problem and the daughter dies. Mind-boggling. Gardasil does have quite a snazzy marketing plan thought.

24 posted on 09/28/2007 3:42:49 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: trimom
Parents should give this one very serious thought before they go forward with the series of injections.

They should. This is a Cancer vaccine.
25 posted on 09/28/2007 3:44:40 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi

The cancer that this vaccine prevents is caused by a sexually transmitted virus.


26 posted on 09/28/2007 3:48:04 PM PDT by trimom
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To: the808bass
Either you work for Merck or you are a candidate for the most ridiculous statement of the day.

Seconded.

27 posted on 09/28/2007 3:48:46 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: kinoxi; the808bass; Raymann

I understand all the good but the unknown is what bothers me. I would like to see real life studies instead of the drug companies results.


28 posted on 09/28/2007 3:48:47 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: trimom
The cancer that this vaccine prevents is caused by a sexually transmitted virus.

This is a vaccination from that form of Cancer.
29 posted on 09/28/2007 3:52:13 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Orange1998

More information is always better.


30 posted on 09/28/2007 3:53:57 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi

And of the reported deaths, 4 of the 7 reported ages of those who died. Those ages were:

11
12
15
19


31 posted on 09/28/2007 3:54:06 PM PDT by keepitreal
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To: Orange1998
I would like to see real life studies instead of the drug companies results.

For the most part, drug company's results=real life studies. It is not easy to get a drug approved, especially in the US. Studies have to be done on people before they are approved.

In this case, I do not understand the hype surrounding this drug. It's a new drug and a new type of drug. I don't see a need to mandate it, however. Let the parents and the health insurers decide. No reason for the state to tell us when to get a vaccine for this.

32 posted on 09/28/2007 3:54:42 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: keepitreal

I forgot to post the link of the reported deaths:

http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?LOWAGE=&HIGHAGE=&VAX=HPV4&SEX=&VAXCNT=&STATE=&VAXMAN=&VAX_DATE_LOW=&VAX_DATE_HIGH=&VAXLOT=&ONSET_DATE_LOW=&ONSET_DATE_HIGH=&VAXDOSE=&SUB_DATE_LOW=&SUB_DATE_HIGH=&VAXROUTE=&REPORT_DATE_LOW=&REPORT_DATE_HIGH=&VAXSITE=&L_THREAT=&PRIOR_VAX=&ER_VISIT=&CUR_ILL=&HOSPITAL=&HISTORY=&X_STAY=&SYMPTOMS=&RECOVD=&LAB_DATA=&DISABLE=&OTHER_MEDS=&DIED=Yes&V_ADMINBY=&DEATH_DATE_LOW=&DEATH_DATE_HIGH=&V_FUNDBY=&PAGENO=1&action=Find&PERPAGE=10&SORTING=NONE


33 posted on 09/28/2007 3:56:47 PM PDT by keepitreal
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To: the808bass
This is the only drug I know that claims to prevent cancer. I am skeptical.
34 posted on 09/28/2007 3:57:01 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: keepitreal

From what? Any slice of the average human population would present equal numbers. What is your point?


35 posted on 09/28/2007 3:57:48 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi

Keeping your legs together would negate the need for the vaccine! Vaccinating 11 year old girls and having them unprotected when they reach and age where sex is more likely (college age, say) is not wise to my mind.

Teaching our daughters what the risks of promiscuity is a smarter move. I’m not being naive. I’m not saying oh, teach chastity only. But really, at 11?


36 posted on 09/28/2007 3:57:59 PM PDT by trimom
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To: the808bass

When Mr. Goodhair demanded everyone be vaccinated it started to smell. That should have been a clue money was involved.


37 posted on 09/28/2007 3:59:40 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Orange1998

Judicial Watch is not the only group warning against Gardasil. An editorial published in the May 10 New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) raised questions about the vaccine’s effectiveness. The editorial, written by George F. Sawaya, an associate professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of California-San Francisco, and a colleague, said Gardasil is only modestly effective.

“A cautious approach may be warranted in light of important unanswered questions about overall vaccine effectiveness, duration of protection, and adverse effects that may emerge over time,” Sawaya wrote. “HPV vaccination has the potential for profound public health benefit if the most optimistic scenario of effectiveness is realized.”

Another editorial in the same issue, written by Editor-in-Chief Jeffrey M. Drazen and others, highlighted three of Gardasil’s limitations: The two strains of HPV it protects against do not cause all cervical cancer; vaccination must take place before young women are infected with either of those two strains; and “whether this approach will extend the paradigm of vaccination to the prevention of death and disability from cervical cancer is an unanswered question.”

“We must also carefully monitor for unintended adverse consequences of vaccination,” Drazen and his colleagues wrote.

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=21696


38 posted on 09/28/2007 4:01:03 PM PDT by keepitreal
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To: trimom

I don’t have daughters. I have two sons currently.


39 posted on 09/28/2007 4:01:12 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi

Deaths of young girls from heart attacks or heart-related complications within days of vaccination.


40 posted on 09/28/2007 4:02:14 PM PDT by keepitreal
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To: GQuagmire
In this case it’s up to the parents.At my kids’ doctors office they have a day of the week for 2hrs every week just to give these shots.

Right. Just as it's the parent's decision whether or not the kids get a measles vaccine. And kids die as a result of adverse events associated with the measles vaccine. I don't see any stories posted on FR in re: measles vaccines. Also, keep in mind that 7 deaths associated with the vaccine doesn't neccesarily mean 7 deaths caused by the vaccine.

All comparisons in a debate like this should be apples-to-apples comparisons. Anything else is propaganda, no matter how well intentioned.

41 posted on 09/28/2007 4:03:12 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: Orange1998
This is the only drug I know that claims to prevent cancer. I am skeptical

I don't think that's quite correct. It prevents a disease which we understand to be necessary for the formation of a certain form of cancer. That may appear to be a distinction without a difference, but it is not.

42 posted on 09/28/2007 4:05:02 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: keepitreal

There should be a record of this. I’d change my point of view in less than a second if you are right.


43 posted on 09/28/2007 4:05:42 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Orange1998

People died from the polio vaccines; that was well worth the risk nonetheless.


44 posted on 09/28/2007 4:06:49 PM PDT by damondonion
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To: kinoxi

I provided a link at #33


45 posted on 09/28/2007 4:10:09 PM PDT by keepitreal
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To: wagglebee
No.

This is to further the agenda. If it contained arsenic it would still be labeled “Safe”.

46 posted on 09/28/2007 4:10:23 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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For later investigation.
47 posted on 09/28/2007 4:13:54 PM PDT by glaseatr (Father of a Marine, Uncle of SGT Adam Estep. A Co. 2/5 Cav. KIA Thurs April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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To: redgolum
This is to further the agenda. If it contained arsenic it would still be labeled “Safe”.

Um...probably not. Does phen-phen ring a bell? Vioxx? Anything?

48 posted on 09/28/2007 4:17:58 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: damondonion; Orange1998
People died from the polio vaccines; that was well worth the risk nonetheless.

Polio is spread by less intimate contact then HPV.

If people had only caught Polio by “bumpin’ ugly” Jonas Salk wouldn’t have worked himself half-to-death to develop a vaccine.

49 posted on 09/28/2007 4:22:48 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear
Polio is spread by less intimate contact then HPV.

It does not follow from that, that there should be no vaccine available. Nor does it follow that any risk outweighs any benefit for this vaccine.

50 posted on 09/28/2007 4:26:45 PM PDT by the808bass
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