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Border fence nearly doubles
LA Times ^ | 29 September 2007 | Richard Marosi

Posted on 09/29/2007 4:06:06 AM PDT by shrinkermd

After reporting sluggish progress last month, U.S. officials announce that the stretch of barriers has grown to 145 miles.

...Whether the new fencing slows illegal immigration remains to be seen, but the project is a milestone in another way. Once limited mainly to cities, fencing along the 1,952-mile border is now going up in rural areas, where much of the illegal immigration traffic has shifted in recent years.

Fleets of tractor-trailers loaded with fence posts and steel tubing have been crossing remote highways and deserts. Crews of National Guard troops spend hours welding raw materials under tarps. In some areas, contractors are installing the barriers at a pace of about half a mile per day.

A line of towering steel now slices for about 32 miles through a sea of sand from San Luis to the Tinajas Altas mountains. The fence, built to prevent incursions on the Barry M. Goldwater Range, is now the longest on the border, more than twice as long as the 14-mile fence separating San Diego from Tijuana.

"This is going to be a rude awakening for the crowds [of immigrants] that come in the fall," said Welby Redwine, a Boeing Co. engineer overseeing work in a canyon crisscrossed by smuggling trails in the Tinajas Altas mountains, 40 miles from the nearest town. "When they see it they're going to say, 'Wow, what happened?' "

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 4progress; aliens; border; borderfence; fence; immigrantlist; immigration; progress

1 posted on 09/29/2007 4:06:07 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

Well, its a start! When will the 30 cal. machine gun towers be built?


2 posted on 09/29/2007 4:20:13 AM PDT by jhroberts
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To: shrinkermd
I know what would slow it down:


3 posted on 09/29/2007 4:21:29 AM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: shrinkermd
Hallelujah.

BEFORE:

AFTER:

It still isn't going up fast enough - at this rate it will still take years. The Pentagon was completed in 17 months - this nation can build a double fence in half that time if we wanted to.

As to the critics like the author of this piece who started out by writing:

Whether the new fencing slows illegal immigration remains to be seen,/i>

Oh, believe me. It will have an effect. You have to smoking crack not to believe that it won't.

P.J. O'Rourke was asked "Well, what if they start digging tunnels!"

He said something like: 'Great - that means we stopped the illegals and now they have to dig tunnels. That is progress.'

Expect the Democrats to whine and sob about this fence for the next few months leading into the 2008 elections. Pelosi just returned from Texas where she sobbed to illegals how terrible it is.

The Democrats can't steal elections unless they can stop the fence and photo ID for voting.


4 posted on 09/29/2007 4:22:43 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: shrinkermd

¡Wow! Lo que ha pasado?


5 posted on 09/29/2007 4:25:24 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Everyone here blamed the President for not building the fence in one day and getting rid of 12 million illegals in a week.

The LA Slimes is asking if this is going to work. That means it will. The illegal immigrant raids are kicking into high gear and the fence is being built.

Maybe now we can move on and blame the President for something else.


6 posted on 09/29/2007 5:33:13 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (When O'Reilly comes out from under his desk, tell him to give me a call. Hunter/Thompson in 08.)
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To: shrinkermd
...U.S. officials announce that the stretch of barriers has grown to 145 miles.

Define barriers.

7 posted on 09/29/2007 5:35:23 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: shrinkermd; gubamyster; HiJinx; Travis McGee; calcowgirl

While NG troops on the NM/Mexican border are being removed...

Six years have passed since 9/11 and we still have open borders, open ports, TENS OF MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS costing American taxpayers TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ANNUALLY and who knows how many muzzie terrorists are in this country preparing to blow us all to hell & back;
Chertoff has the unmitigated nerve to insult our intelligence with a 12 foot fence over 145 miles of a 2000 mile border by saying “When we make a commitment, we will carry through on the commitment?”

And just what “commitment” is that, Chertoff?
That the Bush administration will patronize the sheeple by erecting a few miles of fence while allowing tens of millions of illegals to stay here and who knows how many muzzie terrorists to roam about America unabated?

After 9/11, every foreign muzzie & illegal alien should have been deported, BOTH borders & ALL ports secured.
Our ancestors didn’t emigrate to this country just so a bunch of camel jockeys could come here, terrorize our women and children and make hamburger out of our families.
One more islamic terrorist attack in America and every muzzie swinging dick will have to pack up his koran & family and go back to whatever hellhole they originated from. And anyone who doesn’t like it can have a good cry!

11/2008 won’t come soon enough for me...
I only hope & pray to God that conservative candidates from all over America will come forward to run for public office against this bunch of ‘RINO’s & ‘Rats in Congress & the WH. Just so we patriotic Americans can take back our good country before it goes completely to hell!

There! I’ve said my piece.

Have a grand weekend, all. :-]

Semper Fi,
Kelly


8 posted on 09/29/2007 5:41:14 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: mewzilla

Barriers are walls that may be defeatable with wire cutters. But it’s a start.


9 posted on 09/29/2007 5:41:55 AM PDT by Sender (Dar al-harb, USA)
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To: shrinkermd
We need to fortify and secure the entire border. A country that can't control its borders has no future.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

10 posted on 09/29/2007 5:44:27 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Sender
Barriers are walls that may be defeatable with wire cutters.

Thanks. Grrrr...

Note to Congress and the WH: If barriers are good enough for the American public, how about we string 'em around you all? After all, what's good enough for the taxpayers oughta be good enough for our pols...

11 posted on 09/29/2007 5:49:00 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: jhroberts

“Well, its a start! When will the 30 cal. machine gun towers be built?”

50’s leave less a question of hit


12 posted on 09/29/2007 5:49:55 AM PDT by sure_fine ( " not one to over kill the thought process " )
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Probably not, they aren’t interested in the good news, I’ve reported it for months, I’ve seen it with my own eyes and I’m impressed with what a good fence it is.

The one cement supplier that I know (they are using 3 companies) is sending $40K worth of cement a day.


13 posted on 09/29/2007 5:57:11 AM PDT by tiki
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To: cowboyway
Ummm...hate to tell you this, but that machine gun has a blank firing adaptor (BFA) attached to the barrel.

I know, it looks like some sort of weird minigun to me also. But is really isn’t.

On the.50 cal, BFAs are massive because there must be enough powder in the cartridge case to cycle the heavy bolt and feed mechanism through blow back action. To create the needed pressure, the blank contains a substantial plug that could be fatal if it struck a person even at some distance from the barrel. To prevent this, a plug shredder is incorporated into the design. However, at .50 caliber, even the lightweight plug impacts the shredder at considerable velocity and the BFA must be well anchored to the machine gun to prevent it from being blown off. Those rods paralleling the barrel are actually long bolts going into a locking ring clamped to the perforated heat shield at the base of the barrel. What appears to be a exit for the bullet in the center of the plug shredder is actually a escape port for the propellant gases driving the plug down the barrel.

If the gunner was lucky, a live round fired in that machine gun (as set up now) would blow the plug shredder off of the barrel and send pieces of the retaining ring and bolts flying in every direction. More likely, the gun would blow up. Either way, troops hurt, equipment damaged or destroyed, accident investigation, charges probable; not good.

(BTW, I have never heard of this happening in a .50 cal. (I'm sure it has, I just haven't seen it first hand and don't recollect reading any reports on it.) But putting a live round in and a BFA on the same barrel at the same time does, unfortunately, happen with some regularity in training with rifles and light machine guns.)

14 posted on 09/29/2007 6:24:43 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

The President was culpable in this he was exactly WRONG as shown by the reaction of his constituents. No one asked that they be deported in a day just start now and deport them as fast as possible. What you really want is that they not be deported at all. Sorry on this one you lose, I hope.


15 posted on 09/29/2007 6:24:48 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: ontap

“What you really want is that they not be deported at all.”

Actually what I want is for them to go home and apply legally to come back. Those that don’t leave, deport. Businesses that do not report, fine and close if necessary. Current inmates finish their sentences and are deported with no chance of ever coming back.

And everyone registers, gets printed and pictured.


16 posted on 09/29/2007 6:29:12 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (When O'Reilly comes out from under his desk, tell him to give me a call. Hunter/Thompson in 08.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
"That means it will. The illegal immigrant raids are kicking into high gear and the fence is being built. Maybe now we can move on and blame the President for something else?"

I don’t know what fairy tale land you live in, Dorothy, but erecting a 12 foot fence over 145 miles of a TWO THOUSAND MILE BORDER in SIX FRIGGIN’ YEARS while allowing TWENTY MILLION ILLEGALS & God only knows how many muzzie terrorists to roam about America unabated is NOT GETTING IT DONE. And FYI, they are already pulling NG troops OFF the Mexican border AS WE SPEAK!

Now pull your head out of the that TX sand and join us in getting some true blue conservatives elected next year and by DEMANDING that borders & ports are secured, every foreign muzzie & illegal alien is deported and by helping us take back our country or take your Bush apologist posts back to Jersey because Bush & the rest of the RINO & ‘Rat representatives in Congress have been a disaster for DECADES and anyone who disagrees is disingenuous, naive, ill-informed and/or just not been paying attention! And the only solution is to throw them ALL out of office and TERM LIMITS!

Good day!

17 posted on 09/29/2007 6:37:33 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Everyone here blamed the President for not building the fence in one day and getting rid of 12 million illegals in a week.

I challenge you to find even one post where one person here did that. Even if there was one idiot who did that, and there wasn't, you're saying that EVERYONE HERE did that.

What are you, nine years old? Does that debate technique work for you in grade school?

18 posted on 09/29/2007 6:38:11 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: shrinkermd

bttt


19 posted on 09/29/2007 6:52:59 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Sounds great! hardly what the President wanted though.


20 posted on 09/29/2007 7:06:41 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: savedbygrace

“What are you, nine years old? Does that debate technique work for you in grade school?”

Ok, sorry. A large portion of people here did that.

Better?


21 posted on 09/29/2007 8:02:07 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (When O'Reilly comes out from under his desk, tell him to give me a call. Hunter/Thompson in 08.)
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To: ontap

It is Washington. Things do not happen overnight. Sometimes they do not happen at all.

This was a great win for America. Hopefully one of many more to come.

The President spent almost 7 years taking hits from everyone. Sorry, not everyone. That would be a 9th grade debating technique. :)

Who benefitted from the President taking these hits? Conservatives. Who benefitted from Harriet Miers? Conservatives? Whenever there was a chance that we would fracture, the President did something we would perceive as “stupid” and we would come together. Time and time again. In 2006 we didn’t and rightfully so. We sent a message to the RNC that unless they put up Conservative candidates, we are going to vote our issues. Issues that we won the day on.

For four years the President was a “Strategerist” and Rove was an “Evil Genius.” And all of a sudden the President gets Stupid? He is in his second term, cannot run for reelection, has an obstructionist and spend happy congress to deal with, his party is coming apart at the seems and all that is left is a Conservative base that has been tasked by God to save this country.

How do you hold that base together if you are a leader? Herb Brooks did it by having his 1980 Olympic Hockey Team team come together and collectively hate him. As did the USA hockey management. But Herb won.

Leadership. Leaders make mistakes because leaders have to make decisions. Some are good decisions, some are bad. But they make them and there is always a reason behind why. We don’t know Bush’s reasons.

Guess we will have to wait a few years and for the book to come out.


22 posted on 09/29/2007 8:18:03 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (When O'Reilly comes out from under his desk, tell him to give me a call. Hunter/Thompson in 08.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Give us a link to one of those people who did all that, exactly as you claimed.

I call BS on your claim.


23 posted on 09/29/2007 8:47:47 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Sender
Barriers are walls that may be defeatable with wire cutters. But it’s a start.

It'll take more than wire cutters for this barrier. More like heavy industrial equipment such as cutting torches. That's why it will ultimately be a double fence: sensors will detect activity and before the second barrier can be breached, agents will arrive to apprehend the people. A barrier by itself can't prevent entry, but it can slow people down enough to make avoiding detection and apprehension very difficult.

24 posted on 09/29/2007 8:55:19 AM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: shrinkermd

Only one thing will stop the illegal invasion: landmines.


25 posted on 09/29/2007 9:01:18 AM PDT by montag813
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To: shrinkermd

They promised us this

With variations of this

 

 

 

Yet This is what we are getting??????

Once again Americans have been had Again.

26 posted on 09/29/2007 9:55:47 AM PDT by Shots
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To: EQAndyBuzz

You make it sound as if the President has no responsibility for the illegal alian situation and that everyone who has slammed him for his active support for the invaders(amnesty) and his total inaction on the border are being too harsh.

Kind of a stupid position to take given all of his actions or inaction on this issue.


27 posted on 09/29/2007 10:04:10 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: shrinkermd; kellynla

So they’ve built 70 miles of the 854 mile project?

Shouldn’t the headline read “Only 8% of Border Fence Completed”?


28 posted on 09/29/2007 11:01:12 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: John Jorsett

I’m glad to hear the barriers are more robust than I feared. I’m glad that they are actually going up!


29 posted on 09/29/2007 12:24:09 PM PDT by Sender (Dar al-harb, USA)
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To: tiki

The fence, according to Hunter’s bill, is supposed to be a double fence with a road in between, exactly like the one he built in San Diego. Is that what you are reporting seeing?


30 posted on 09/29/2007 1:07:58 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (Support Duncan Hunter in YOUR State....http://duncanhunter.meetup.com/1/)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Maybe now we can move on and blame the President for something else.

How about taking six years to get around to enforcing the law?

31 posted on 09/29/2007 1:21:06 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Shots

Thanks for posting that.


32 posted on 09/29/2007 4:16:32 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz; All

Geeeeez .. I though they’d already blamed Bush for everything else .. ROTFLOL!!

Funny .. they haven’t blamed him for VICTORY IN IRAQ .. now that we’re really making progress .. and did everybody know that we and the Afghans killed about 260 of the Taliban last week .. I didn’t think the drive-by mentioned it.


33 posted on 09/30/2007 1:22:01 AM PDT by CyberAnt (America: THE GREATEST NATION on the face of the earth!)
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To: mewzilla

A vehicle-proof barrier now lines the south side of Interstate 8 at the Imperial Dunes, a short distance north of the U.S.-Mexico border, west of Winterhaven, Calif.

34 posted on 09/30/2007 1:26:51 AM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: shrinkermd
On down in the article:

The progress marks an abrupt turnaround from one month ago, when the Homeland Security Department reported having completed only 15 of the 70 miles promised by Sept. 30, drawing criticism from many Republicans and activists against illegal immigration.

That would mean that the month of September certainly represented significant progress in establishing a fence.

For what it is worth, I think that this article was written completely backwards. I would have have started with this paragraph:

The number of illegal immigrants apprehended daily in the area has dropped from 800 to as low as 15, according to Border Patrol officials.

That's the most important part to me: the fence has grown a lot in the last month, and borderjumpers have decreased radically in that period.

35 posted on 09/30/2007 12:38:17 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: Kimberly GG

I can only see one side of it so I can’t say about the road but it is different than any picture I have see. It is 4x4 or 6x6 square tubing. Think a picket fence made of steel.


36 posted on 10/01/2007 8:15:14 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Shots

It’s not a double fence?


37 posted on 10/01/2007 9:43:55 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: tiki

You have a digital camera?....


38 posted on 10/01/2007 9:45:24 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Everyone here blamed the President for not building the fence in one day and getting rid of 12 million illegals in a week.

Well at least we now see what part of the problem is with the dedicated koolaid drinkers: six years of resistance to doing his job of enforcing the border is "one day" and "a week".

39 posted on 10/01/2007 9:48:46 PM PDT by Pelham ( "Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?)
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To: shrinkermd

Are the workers legal for this section of the fence?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1531738/posts


40 posted on 10/01/2007 9:57:13 PM PDT by ThomasThomas
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To: Rick_Michael

No.


41 posted on 10/02/2007 5:16:56 AM PDT by tiki
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To: Rick_Michael

I know that hence the reason I posted the pictures of what they promised versus what we are getting


42 posted on 10/02/2007 7:37:50 AM PDT by Shots
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To: shrinkermd

Well, it’s progress.

Build the fence.

Then improve it.


43 posted on 10/02/2007 7:48:39 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: All
Testing of fence in progress.

Might want to check out that link. There are a variety of fence types being tested for particular application along the border.

44 posted on 10/02/2007 8:57:59 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Richardson/Paul '08 - Sometimes this stuff just writes itself.)
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