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VANITY: "Band of Brothers" now on "History"...same week as Ken Burns' "The War"
The History Channel ^ | 9-29-07 | History Channel

Posted on 09/29/2007 10:55:50 AM PDT by VOA

"Band of Brothers" is airing now (Saturday, 12:30PM Central) on
The History Channel.

Interesting that it should air on the weekend following the
airing of the first four parts of Ken Burns'/PBS's "The War".

Opinions about the relative merits of the two WWII-ear shows are welcome.
ee following posts for URLs for the discussion threads for
Parts 1-4 of "The War".


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: bandofbrothers; kenburns; stephenambrose; thewar; wwii
Just posting for discussion...especially for folks that watched
"The War" this week.
And might want to comment on the relative merits of the two
series.
1 posted on 09/29/2007 10:55:59 AM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

My arm for a World War 2 drama that doesn’t focus on Hitler, the Holocaust, or the 101st Airborne.


2 posted on 09/29/2007 10:58:39 AM PDT by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: VOA

Below are some URLs for the discussion threads for Ken Burns’/PBS’s
“The War”, along with a few PBS URLs that might be helpful for those
wishing to see the series.

As best I can tell, Part 4 (of 7?) of “The War” airs tomorrow night
(SUNDAY August 30, 2007) at 7PM Central (check your local PBS listings
for your correct air-time).

URL for thread on Part 1
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1901006/posts?page=1

URL for thread on Part 2 (Monday 9-24-07)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1901629/posts

URL for thread on Part 3 (Tuesday 9-25-07)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1902083/posts?page=1

URLs for PBS websites:
URL to check listing for local PBS stations:
http://www.pbs.org/thewar/broadcast_schedule.htm

PBS website for Ken Burns’ “The War”
http://www.pbs.org/thewar/?campaign=pbshomefeatures_1_thewarbrakenburnsfilm_2007-09-23

Summary of Part 4 at PBS website:
http://www.pbs.org/thewar/about_episode_guide_04.htm


3 posted on 09/29/2007 11:00:13 AM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA
"Band of Brothers" is the best War mini series I've ever seen.

"The War" is more about the American Homeland in War Time. People actually felt like they were part of the effort. Not like every war since.

4 posted on 09/29/2007 11:03:32 AM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: VOA

All I know is that I tuned into his series on Baseball and found a multi-part program about Jackie Robinson.


5 posted on 09/29/2007 11:03:34 AM PDT by kjo
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To: Terpfen

Mahmoud! Is that you? Welcome to FR.


6 posted on 09/29/2007 11:05:38 AM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: Terpfen

“My arm for a World War 2 drama that doesn’t focus on Hitler, the Holocaust, or the 101st Airborne.”

LOL! There was a war in the Pacific too.


7 posted on 09/29/2007 11:06:30 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Attila the Hun... wasn't he a liberal?)
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To: Terpfen

“My arm for a World War 2 drama that doesn’t focus on Hitler,
the Holocaust, or the 101st Airborne.”

Fair comment...I just thought folks might have some thoughts seeing
how The History Channel decided to re-air “Band of Brothers” on
the first weekend following Burns’ “The War”.

A WWII drama without lots of Hitler, Holocaust or the 101st Airborne?
That’s the sort of good old films that we could watch on late-night
TV in the 1960s or 1970s.

Like, “Up From The Beach”
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059853/


8 posted on 09/29/2007 11:07:34 AM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

I’ve only seen Band of Brothers. Six Times. It is fantastic. To all who come on this thread and have not seen it... please rent it or get it from the library. You will not be disappointed.


9 posted on 09/29/2007 11:09:00 AM PDT by carton253 (And if that time does come, then draw your swords and throw away the scabbards.)
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To: VOA

‘Band of Brothers’ is a classic!


10 posted on 09/29/2007 11:10:12 AM PDT by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: VOA
Watching Band of Brothers now as I do each time it’s on the History Channel.

Love the interview in the beginning about entering the service...”4 guys in our town were 4f and they committed suicide. It was a different time.”

11 posted on 09/29/2007 11:13:21 AM PDT by Vision ("Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him." Jeremiah 17:7)
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To: carton253

I remember watching the first run of BAND OF BROTHERS on HBO the week of 9/11/01. By an amazing coincidence, this very patriotic show debuted right in the midst of that week of the attacks. It really added to the emotional wallop.


12 posted on 09/29/2007 11:13:47 AM PDT by Argus ("Don't Tase me bro!")
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To: VOA

OOPS...I meant to say...
As best I can tell, Part 5 “FUBAR” (of 7?) of “The War” airs tomorrow
night (SUNDAY August 30, 2007) at 7PM Central (check your local PBS
listings for your correct air-time).

And here’s a URL for the discussion thread for part 4 of “The War”

“The War” (by Ken Burns) Part 4 of 7; Airing on PBS @ 7PM
Central 9-26-07
pbs.org ^ | undated | PBS staff
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1902654/posts?page=1


13 posted on 09/29/2007 11:14:55 AM PDT by VOA
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To: righttackle44

No, it’s someone who would like to hear about Italy, the Russian front, the 5th Army, Patton, North Africa, or that little war in the Pacific once in a while.

Tired of Bastogne, tired of Market-Garden, tired of D-Day. They’ve been documented to death. Let’s hear about the other 99% of the war.


14 posted on 09/29/2007 11:17:09 AM PDT by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: carton253

Do yourself a favor and buy Patton.


15 posted on 09/29/2007 11:18:04 AM PDT by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: Vision

I admit that comparing “Band of Brothers” and “The War” is a
“compare the apples with the oranges” exercise.

But seeing how “The War” aired with such fanfare, I just found it
interesting to see “Band of Brothers” getting (yet) another re-airing
on the weekend following the airing of the first 4 segments of “The War”.

Given how there have been plenty of postive, neutral and negative
comments on the discussion threads for “The War” so far, I thought
it might be interesting to get some comments about both the shows.


16 posted on 09/29/2007 11:18:49 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Argus
I watched it over Christmas holiday. New Year's day (back to work on the 2nd), I was not tired around midnight. So, I put in the episode, "Why We Fight." Oh, my. It was gut-wrenching. Not one wasted line or emotion. I watched the episode, then could not sleep. I went to work on the 2nd with about 2 hours sleep. What a fabulous, fabulous series.

I read an interview by Dick Winters about the series. He liked them for their realism but chided Spielberg and Hanks about the language. Said there was too much profanity.

17 posted on 09/29/2007 11:18:50 AM PDT by carton253 (And if that time does come, then draw your swords and throw away the scabbards.)
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To: VOA

This is why a DVR was invented.


18 posted on 09/29/2007 11:19:27 AM PDT by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: VOA
Thanks for all your efforts in bringing this forward with discussion opportunities. Appreciate it.
19 posted on 09/29/2007 11:19:37 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: VOA
Didn’t have any interest in The War as I see Burns as an activist who (basically) said he wanted to produce a series that showed a negative side to WWII.
20 posted on 09/29/2007 11:21:30 AM PDT by Vision ("Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him." Jeremiah 17:7)
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To: Terpfen

Have seen it twice. Fantastic movie. I think Saving Private Ryan was excellent as well.


21 posted on 09/29/2007 11:23:06 AM PDT by carton253 (And if that time does come, then draw your swords and throw away the scabbards.)
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To: Terpfen
the Russian front

There was an excellent British-made series a few years back called Stalin's War or Russia's War, something like that. Available on DVD.

22 posted on 09/29/2007 11:23:54 AM PDT by Argus ("Don't Tase me bro!")
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To: Argus
I remember watching the first run of BAND OF BROTHERS on HBO the
week of 9/11/01.


I was in West Los Angeles at the time...without cable.
What was wild was (IIRC) a WEEK without commercials on all the
channels.
(Of course KCET, the local PBS superstation had plenty of
their "Why Do They Hate Us" and "We Had It Coming" type of commentary.
Seeing how they don't have to sell advertizing to survive,
they can engage in all sorts of fantastical, ANTI-reality thinking)

And more American flags on houses, cars and bidnesses than I
thought possible. In this left-wing, left-coast enclave.
23 posted on 09/29/2007 11:24:48 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Terpfen
My arm for a World War 2 drama that doesn’t focus on Hitler, the Holocaust, or the 101st Airborne.

Hear, hear!

My grandfather was with the 97th Bomb Group in Algeria, Tunisia, Sicily and Italy. Thank goodness I have his war diary, some books on those campaigns, and his memories written down.

24 posted on 09/29/2007 11:25:24 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: VOA

That Friday after the memorial service and Bush’s visit to Ground Zero, people started letting their anger out. We drove down Ventura Blvd, folks were all out in the street waving flags and making noise and it was like the greatest spontaneous demonstration of righteous patriotic wrath I’ve ever seen.

If only it had lasted.


25 posted on 09/29/2007 11:27:45 AM PDT by Argus ("Don't Tase me bro!")
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To: ex-snook
Thanks for all your efforts in bringing this forward with discussion
opportunities. Appreciate it.


You are too kind. The real thanks go to Jim Robinson.

I have selfish motivations. When the "younguns" in my extended family
are talking about seeing "The War" in class in less than a
decade, I want to be able to intelligently discuss the positive,
negative and neutral aspects of "The War".
Seeing how it will likely become THE reference work on WWII used
by public school teachers.
(AND too many PRIVATE SCHOOL teachers!)
26 posted on 09/29/2007 11:29:54 AM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

I was expecting the Ken Burn’s film to be more filled with historicsl information. Instead it is more about the thoughts and feelings of the people who lived during that time. I will say that I was impressed to see so much new photography that I had never seen before. It looks like a lot of it was cleaned up to give some superb images.


27 posted on 09/29/2007 11:33:07 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Argus
We drove down Ventura Blvd, folks were all out in the street waving
flags and making noise and it was like the greatest spontaneous
demonstration of righteous patriotic wrath I’ve ever seen.

If only it had lasted.


Sometimes, I almost try not to think about seeing all the flags
adorning business and homes in my old "hood" along Wilshire/San Vicente.

Because I do get bummed about the transitory nature of the open
display of that sort of sentiment.
28 posted on 09/29/2007 11:33:24 AM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

AMC is showing The Longest Day. They are re-airing it tomorrow morning at 7AM.


29 posted on 09/29/2007 11:35:58 AM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule (Revenge begins on December 22nd!!!!!)
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To: VOA
"I want to be able to intelligently discuss the positive, negative and neutral aspects of "The War". "

Great thought. I saw all of Band but only portions of War so far [I'm taping]. Overall I would say so far so good but for one matter. He has grafted the 'my group' mentality of today on the WW II era when he should have characterized it [in my limited experience] more by unity than diversity. At least on the front lines, we didn't recognize nationalities of troops.

30 posted on 09/29/2007 11:54:26 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: VOA
"The real thanks go to Jim Robinson."

Probably the single human being most accountable, responsible if you will,
for the presence of African-Americans in Major League Baseball today.


31 posted on 09/29/2007 11:58:08 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Kirkwood
Instead it is more about the thoughts and feelings of the people
who lived during that time.


Agreed.
It is almost more of an "atmospheric" documentary.
And Burns has done a good job of that.
My only gripe is that his commnetary on the inequities of American life
(for blacks, Japanese-Americans, and other minorities) could have
been well-done and with more impact by using about half as much airtime.
I get the feeling Burns hasn't had a child in public schools in
the last 20 years.
That's one possible explanation for him spending so much time
flogging these inglorious chapters of American History...that
now are a fair chunk of regular study plans. I bet some 10 year-olds
watching "The War" are saying "ENOUGH ALREADY"..."we've heard about this
in 10 hours of our history classes".

I will say that I was impressed to see so much new photography that
I had never seen before. It looks like a lot of it was cleaned up
to give some superb images.

Some of the footage has been great, the remainder very good.
Those night-time scenes in North Africa lit by bursting bombs still
make for great film.
32 posted on 09/29/2007 12:03:42 PM PDT by VOA
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To: fkabuckeyesrule
AMC is showing The Longest Day. They are re-airing it tomorrow morning at 7AM.

Well, I guess some programmers at The History Channel and AMC
figured there would be enough folks that would like to see a bit
of a contrast to "The War".

I'm not ragging on Burns' work...only trying to post my "first impression"
take on what I see as postive, neutral or negative.
And it helps to see how "The War" strikes other viewers.

No such thing as an "objective viewer"...except for cameras and
videocams!
33 posted on 09/29/2007 12:14:52 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

thanks to all posters for commentary...
now it back to watching “Band of Brothers”!


34 posted on 09/29/2007 12:29:48 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Terpfen

Send arm to P.O. Box....

35 posted on 09/29/2007 12:33:35 PM PDT by MrEdd (Keeping my foot on the necks of liberals since 1980.)
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To: Terpfen

The Hurtgen Forest would be a good one.
“When Trumpets Fade” was the only movie I know of that was made of it and the 28th Inf (AKA the bloody bucket}.
The Italian front is largly ignored. Maybe it is because of the ass kicking we took trying to take Monte Casino.


36 posted on 09/29/2007 12:56:54 PM PDT by Yorlik803 ( When are we going to draw a line a say"this far and no farther")
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To: Terpfen
My arm for a World War 2 drama that doesn’t focus on Hitler, the Holocaust, or the 101st Airborne.

Big Red 1. Hell is for Heros. Midway. 30 Seconds Over Tokyo. Wake Island (perhaps the best American propaganda film ever made).

I left off two that mention the 101, and thus wouldn't meet your standards - The Longest Day and A Bridge Too Far.

37 posted on 09/29/2007 1:44:43 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: VOA
Apples and Oranges. "Band of Brothers" concentrated on a group of paratroopers, following their training, through their D-Day landings, and beyond to the end of the War. Other battles and events were mentioned as they related to this group of men.

Burns's documentary concentrates on four towns, their sons who went off to war, and the townspeople left behind. Along the way, he mentions the battles fought by the soldiers from those towns, and a few other events, as they intersect with the soldiers. He spends time talking about the Japanese Internment because it relates to some of the soldiers' families. One thing I learned that was fascinating, was that the Japanese in Hawaii were never rounded up and put in camps, only the ones on the West Coast. He also mentions the changes in racial situations brought on because of the black men who volunteered to serve in the Armed Forces, and black men and women working at home in Defense related industries.

It is not supposed to be a documentary just about battles and soldiers, but more about how the country was affected by the War.

38 posted on 09/29/2007 1:57:52 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: VOA

It will be interesting to see if, in Burns’ world, we win. If so, I bet his focus is on the horrible traffic jam in Times Square.


39 posted on 09/29/2007 2:02:35 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Terpfen
Well WE weren't involved on the Russian Front and D-Day was quite an important event. Ken Burns spent quite a while on the North African and Italian campaigns. In fact, a friend's father was driving the Jeep just in front of FDR's, when he visited North Africa, and he told all his family to watch for him! He was only 22 at the time, and my friend said that was so special to see him in the film.

Also, Burns spent quite a bit of time on the Pacific theater, as well, since at least one of the soldiers featured was on the Bataan Death March, and later was sent to Japan as slave labor, and others were Marines who fought on Guadalcanal, Tarawa, and Saipan. I wonder how many Americans learned for the first time, from this documentary, about the mass suicides of Japanese citizens on Saipan as the American soldiers were begging them not to jump off the cliffs? I only learned about that several years ago, when I read Tom Clancy's "Debt of Honor"!

It has been a very good series; different than most WWII series I've seen, and that's fine. It's good to see what went on at home with the families waiting to hear about their loved ones. It's a good contrast to today's military, where soldiers can call or e-mail their families faily often, but in WWII, it was sometimes weeks or months, or in the case of the soldier on Bataan, YEARS, before their families heard from them.

40 posted on 09/29/2007 2:10:23 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: VOA

Only watched one night of “The War.” Wish I had more time. However, I saw Band of Brothers years ago and that is excellent. I would recommend it to anyone. I keep thinking if they had the media we had today, we would’ve lost The Battle of the Bulge because when one watches BOB, it’s hard to imagine we are ever going to win.


41 posted on 09/29/2007 2:13:06 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: SuziQ
Well WE weren't involved on the Russian Front and D-Day was quite an important event.

This does not mean, in the case of the former, that it's proper to ignore, and in the case of the latter, it's proper to over-expose.

I'm just tired of hearing about the same three operations (D-Day, Market-Garden, Bastogne) and the same damn division (101st Airborne.) Enough.
42 posted on 09/29/2007 2:44:02 PM PDT by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: Terpfen

I imagine that the guys who weren’t involved in those battles might feel the same way.


43 posted on 09/29/2007 4:16:15 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: VOA

For folks that haven’t yet sprung for a DVD of “Band of Brothers”...

Just a bump...as the rest of “Band of Brothers” had just started
on The History Channel...at approx. 11:20 AM on Sunday Sept. 30, 2007.


44 posted on 09/30/2007 9:19:49 AM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

For folks that haven’t yet sprung for a DVD of “Band of Brothers”...

Just a bump...as the rest of “Band of Brothers” had just started
on The History Channel...at approx. 11:20 AM on Sunday Sept. 30, 2007.


45 posted on 09/30/2007 9:26:53 AM PDT by VOA
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