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Giant Ocean Pipes a Quickfix to Warming?
The Times of India ^ | September 28, 2007 | Reuters

Posted on 09/29/2007 8:19:39 PM PDT by JACKRUSSELL

(LONDON) -- A series of giant pipes in the oceans to mix surface and deeper water could be an emergency fix for the Earth's damaged climate system, the scientist behind the Gaia theory said on Wednesday.

James Lovelock, whose Gaia hypothesis that Earth is a living entity has fuelled controversy for three decades, thinks the stakes are so high that radical solutions must be tried even if they ultimately fail.

In a letter to the journal Nature, he proposes vertical pipes 100 to 200 meters long and 10 metres wide be placed in the sea, so that wave motion pumps up water and fertilizes algae on the surface.

This algal bloom would push down carbon dioxide levels and also produce dimethyl sulphide, helping to seed sunlight-reflecting clouds.

"If we can't heal the planet directly, we may be able to help the planet heal itself," Lovelock, of the University of Oxford, and co-author Chris Rapley, from London's Science Museum, said. The two scientists argued it was unlikely any of the well-intentioned technical or social schemes for limiting carbon would restore the planet's status quo.

International climate experts have warned that global warming, blamed mainly on greenhouse gases emitted by burning fossil fuels, will bring more droughts, heatwaves, floods and rising sea levels.

Commenting on Lovelock's idea, Brian Hoskins, professor of meteorology at the University of Reading, said it was scientifically sound but there were huge unknowns. "This is the latest in a line of geo-engineering solutions," he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: brianhoskins; chrisrapley; climatechange; doomage; dream; globalwarming; greatbritain; jameslovelock; kooks; london; oxford; pipe; pipedream; unitedkingdom; wearedoomed
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Plain and simple, mental illness.
1 posted on 09/29/2007 8:19:43 PM PDT by JACKRUSSELL
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To: JACKRUSSELL

Oh, I believe the part about the giant pipes... I was just wondering what they are smoking in them :>)


2 posted on 09/29/2007 8:21:53 PM PDT by irishtenor (Presbyterianism is pure Christianity.)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

So my carbon credits are worth what now?


3 posted on 09/29/2007 8:24:59 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi

Something for nothing and your credits are free, at time of resale.


4 posted on 09/29/2007 8:33:09 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes. And Vote For Mr. Duncan Hunter, America! TLWNW)
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To: JACKRUSSELL
This is not a "new" technology.

Ocean thermal energy conversion was first proposed in the 1800s and the first commercial plant was built in 1930.

Wanna know more?

Electricity!!!

5 posted on 09/29/2007 8:33:13 PM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: irishtenor
LOL! - I think we can file this one where that giant-fans-to-blow-pollution-out-of-Mexico-City idea is being kept.

(In case you forgot)

6 posted on 09/29/2007 8:35:15 PM PDT by alancarp (How many millions have to break a law before it's inconvenient to enforce?)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

These people are deranged.


7 posted on 09/29/2007 8:36:04 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

If Keith Olbermoan, Chrissy girl Matthews, Tucker pucker Carlson, George Soros, both Clintons, Obamasama, Edwards, Kookcinich all Kennedys and all other Libtard nuts would stop breathing, there would be absolutely no need for this ALGORE loose bowel drippage pipe dream.


8 posted on 09/29/2007 8:36:30 PM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

hahahahaha Very funny.


9 posted on 09/29/2007 8:37:23 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

Ethel Merman had a big set of pipes and look where it got her.


10 posted on 09/29/2007 8:38:16 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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To: JACKRUSSELL
radical solutions must be tried even if they ultimately fail

....or backfire?

11 posted on 09/29/2007 8:38:44 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Young Werther

As long as we use it to generate electricity, I’m all for it.


12 posted on 09/29/2007 8:41:38 PM PDT by mhx
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To: JACKRUSSELL

The two scientists argued it was unlikely any of the well-intentioned technical or social schemes for limiting carbon would restore the planet’s status quo.
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you can be sure that environmentalists will be against any technological fix that threatens their faith that we must return to a ‘stone age’ subsistence lifestyle. On the other hand, they must contend that Mr. Gaia himself favors technology over taxation and control.


13 posted on 09/29/2007 8:41:58 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

Best case of mental nanoinflation to date. Will Wikipedia adopt this new word? Will the author of this oceanic pipedream know its meaning? It can only be one of lifes’ imponderable, persistently annoying questions as to how expansion of really small ideas, on occasion, heads to the forefront of consideration of comment from the worlds best applicators of common sense...freepers.


14 posted on 09/29/2007 8:48:42 PM PDT by givemELL (http://www.oftwominds.com/blogsept07/rot-within4.html)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

15 posted on 09/29/2007 8:50:08 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: alancarp

I thought they were going to bore big holes in the mountains to suck out all the bad air. Too bad it didn’t happen, then we could really say Mexico sucks :>)


16 posted on 09/29/2007 8:51:24 PM PDT by irishtenor (Presbyterianism is pure Christianity.)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

Can’t we just pray to Mother Gaia?

Or maybe throw virgins into volcanos, that would probably work.


17 posted on 09/29/2007 8:51:52 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

Can’t we just pray to Mother Gaia?

Or maybe throw virgins into volcanos, that would probably work.


18 posted on 09/29/2007 8:51:55 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: JACKRUSSELL
Their colossal ego knows no bounds - they’d best not be messing with a system that has been set up and running for billions of years - set to run on self-regulating cycles -

Of course, it’s more than just ego - it’s all that fund money - and power.

This Global Warming scam must be stopped =

19 posted on 09/29/2007 8:54:18 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: maine-iac7
Their colossal ego knows no bounds - they’d best not be messing with a system that has been set up and running for billions of years - set to run on self-regulating cycles -
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umm we already do

20 posted on 09/29/2007 8:59:27 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: JACKRUSSELL
James Lovelock, whose Gaia hypothesis that Earth is a living entity

Feverish & bloated, you say? Give two asprin, administer a mineral oil enema, and call me in the morning.

As for Lovelock; yes, definitely a terminal case.


21 posted on 09/29/2007 9:12:07 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: JACKRUSSELL
Commenting on Lovelock's idea, Brian Hoskins, professor of meteorology at the University of Reading, said it was scientifically sound but there were huge unknowns. "This is the latest in a line of geo-engineering solutions," he said.

So give us another billion or so and we'll come up with some more nifty, unproven, but scientifically sound, solutions.

What a buncha BS!!

There should be a race between this idea and the other one where we "seed" the ocean with iron. Yeah, right.

22 posted on 09/29/2007 9:14:14 PM PDT by upchuck (Psychiatrists have labeled George Bush's South-of-the-Border obsession as mexicosis. ~ firehat)
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To: alancarp
LOL! - I think we can file this one where that giant-fans-to-blow-pollution-out-of-Mexico-City idea is being kept.

Well, that part is right. Giant fans blow. So do 'Niner fans and Warrior fans.

23 posted on 09/29/2007 9:16:27 PM PDT by Migraine (...diversity is great... until it happens to YOU...)
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To: JACKRUSSELL
the gaia theory?

oy.

24 posted on 09/29/2007 9:16:49 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (life is like "a bad Saturday Night Live skit that is done in extremely bad taste.")
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To: JACKRUSSELL
IS THIS STUPID OR WHAT!!!!!!!! The mere human has no reason to try and change Our Creator's Creation. What's happening to this earth is SOP. Man has had NOTHING to do with it.


IGRONANT FOOLS!!!

25 posted on 09/29/2007 9:21:05 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: upchuck

26 posted on 09/29/2007 9:21:45 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

Ahh, but how much global warming will go into the production and implementation of this idea?

Wouldn’t it be easier to just have everyone, all at once, leave their refrigerator doors open for a half an hour or so?

Or maybe we could begin using Gasex as a cattle feed additive?

Or maybe we could get everyone on the planet to jump off their dressers at noon, thereby producing a series of 24 jolts driving the earth slightly away from the sun.

Or maybe all of the above, once a week, mandated and enforced by the UN, until the problem is solved. Whether it works or not.


27 posted on 09/29/2007 9:26:35 PM PDT by watchin (Facts irritate liberals)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

“damaged climate system”?

Really now...


28 posted on 09/29/2007 9:26:47 PM PDT by Professional
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To: mhx
"The Millenial Project Colonizing the Galaxy in Eight Easy Steps" by Marwhall T Savage" uses OTEC to generate electricity, mine the ocean, support aquaculture and many other technologies to colonize the Galaxy.

Arthur Clarke's Intro to this book says, "I am completely awed and I don't awe easily, by the author's command of a dozen engineering disciplines and his amazing knowledge of scientific and technical literature."

Loons who haven't a clue, "Read Alglobus", believe that they can lead us when they can't fathom the rules of Ring Around the Rosey.

Read Savage's "Star Trek" and see how Earth and the Galaxy can benefit from his skills!

29 posted on 09/29/2007 9:34:30 PM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: knarf

So there I was, driving up I-35 north of Austin TX.
There was a billboard with 2 choices:
* head in the sand about global warming
* ready to search for solutions to solve the global warming problem (or some such insane banter) As if it is a forgone conclusion that we are all doomed!
You either have to believe their side of the argument, or you have your “head in the sand”.
Not surprising considering there are a whole bunch of “educated” nut-jobs who call Austin TX home.
I bet the caveman show will be a big hit in Austin!!!


30 posted on 09/29/2007 9:38:21 PM PDT by 9422WMR (Allah akbar fumar blacktar)
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To: alancarp
Naw! This will never work. I heard Rush Limbaugh talking about another plan to dump millions of tons of iron in the oceans. Supposed to alter carbon produced by the algae or something.

Hummm! All of the ships sunk during WWII didn't do it? But that is a lot of ocean to cover isn't it? Maybe all the cars in junkyards throughout the world could be dumped in the oceans. Might even raise the level of the oceans. /sacrasm off

31 posted on 09/29/2007 9:41:28 PM PDT by dvan
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To: Young Werther
I don’t think that’s what the guy had in mind, but certainly one could use a heat pipe operating between the ocean depths and the surface to power the pumps to do what he is proposing. Not sure wave motion will be sufficient to do what he is proposing.
32 posted on 09/29/2007 9:43:07 PM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

Nothing new under the sun.

Judges 3:7 And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and forgat the LORD their God, and served Baalim and the groves (money and nature worship).


33 posted on 09/29/2007 9:46:10 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Christ's Kingdom on Earth is the answer. What is your question?)
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"he proposes vertical pipes 100 to 200 meters long and 10 metres wide be placed in the sea, so that wave motion pumps up water and fertilizes algae on the surface."

And, if you run the cold 200 meter water through a surface heat exchanger, you can generate tiny amounts of electric energy. I have no idea what that did to the algae that came with the cold water.

(Normal currents play hell with a 200 metre 600 foot "pipe" by the way)

34 posted on 09/29/2007 9:52:31 PM PDT by norton
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fix for the Earth's damaged climate system

If the article described what part of the climate system is damaged perhaps some creditability could be achieved and then those annoying continental plate’s shifting problems could be tackled.

35 posted on 09/29/2007 9:56:09 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: JACKRUSSELL
I've always said that global warming, whatever the cause, is simply an engineering problem. There are any number of ways to lower global temperatures if and when we want to.

The problem, of course, is that the global warming cheerleaders don't want a real solution to warming. Fixing the problem is not on their agenda.

They're like tax man from the old Creedence song "Fortunate Son": When you ask, how much should you destroy the Western economy, they only answer, 'more, more, more'.

36 posted on 09/29/2007 10:00:09 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: shield
The mere human has no reason to try and change Our Creator's Creation.

That's the whole point, The reason why the left is embracing "global warming" is because it is anti-God. They can say they don't believe in God without actually saying it.

37 posted on 09/29/2007 10:22:17 PM PDT by txroadkill ( http://iraqstar.org)
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To: JACKRUSSELL
Giant Ocean Pipes a Quickfix to Warming?

In two words:

No.
Entropy.

38 posted on 09/29/2007 10:25:36 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: irishtenor
Oh, I believe the part about the giant pipes... I was just wondering what they are smoking in them :>)

You know... I'm getting tired of cleaning my keyboard.

Do you mind?

39 posted on 09/29/2007 10:26:56 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

They’re coming to take me away, HA HA
They’re coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA


40 posted on 09/29/2007 10:27:30 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: Publius6961

LOL.


41 posted on 09/29/2007 10:27:50 PM PDT by irishtenor (Presbyterianism is pure Christianity.)
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To: Publius6961

***Do you mind?***

Very rarely.


42 posted on 09/29/2007 10:28:31 PM PDT by irishtenor (Presbyterianism is pure Christianity.)
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To: alancarp
Oh that must be the artificial hurricanes idea.
Add energy to a variable system. Brilliant!
43 posted on 09/29/2007 10:28:36 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Travis McGee
Can’t we just pray to Mother Gaia?

Or maybe throw virgins into volcanos, that would probably work.

Since it's all symbolic anyway, can't we just try Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton instead?

Two birds, one stone kinda thing...

44 posted on 09/29/2007 10:31:01 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: JACKRUSSELL

Will they never learn, man cannot manipulate nature. Nature will always manipulate man.


45 posted on 09/29/2007 10:51:43 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Liberals don't rattle sabers, they wave white flags)
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To: JACKRUSSELL
International climate experts have warned that global warming, blamed mainly on greenhouse gases emitted by burning fossil fuels,

BS. The vast majority of the several thousand scientists who signed the UN paper blaming fossil fuel for global warming are not even climatologists, most of them are trained for and work in other scientific fields. You never hear anything in the media about the thousands of scientists, including many climatologists, who reject the man-made global warming theory, but they're out there just the same.

I read recently that 97% of all greenhouse gasses is water vapor, CO2 is only 1%, and man-made CO2 is only 1% of all CO2. I'm no scientist of any type, but I find it very difficult to believe that an almost infinitesimal increase in that 1/100 of 1/100 of all greenhouse gasses is enough to make a significant difference in the global climate one way or the other.

46 posted on 09/29/2007 10:54:59 PM PDT by epow ("That which thy fathers bequeathed thee, earn it anew if thou wouldst keep it" (Celtic proverb))
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I believe each one of us could come up with crazy ideas to halt something that isn’t happening. Using this man’s logic, it doesn’t matter how much we spend on these crazy ideas as long as it looks like we are doing something. That’s the rationale used by many of government proponents of “the sky is falling” global warming.


47 posted on 09/30/2007 12:00:11 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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“In a letter to the journal Nature, he proposes...”

Did they publish it? Anyone knowing anything about climate knows there is no such thing as “the planet’s status quo.” Anyone with any education in biology knows that this “Gaia hypothesis” stuff is not controversial, it’s just pure gobbledygook.

48 posted on 09/30/2007 12:04:41 AM PDT by FreePoster (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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49 posted on 09/30/2007 6:44:45 AM PDT by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: ari-freedom
umm we already do

There is a bit of a difference.

Human activity has been going on for a long time and the world hasn't ended yet. These activities are for man's purposes of survival. I'd put that in the same category as beavers building dams since man is a creature of nature. I'm not giving license to pollute indiscriminately, but CO2 is a natural gas not a pollutant.

These schemes to "save the world" are another thing altogether. They are engineered to intentionally change the environment and are huge wastes of money too. Did these people ever think if they were wrong (as I believe they are) that engineering a system to turn the environment colder would result if it being too cold? I don't believe it is within man's power to change the climate by conventional (nonnuclear) methods, but if they really believe we are dangerously warming the planet, they had better be really certain before they hatch a scheme like this on large scale. It also had better be paid for out of the rich environment pimp pockets (ie Gore, DiCaprio, Crow, David, and all the rest of the Hollywood-Environment Complex).

50 posted on 09/30/2007 7:22:45 AM PDT by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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