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In Search Of The "Peace-Loving Muslims" -- Again
Townhall.com ^ | September 30, 2007 | Austin Hill

Posted on 09/30/2007 5:33:04 AM PDT by Kaslin

What is it with the combination of being a medical doctor and a “Muslim? That’s a very legitimate question to ask, in light of a certain event that unfolded at the end of last week in Virginia.

Dr. Esam Omeish, who in addition to being an “M.D.” was, up until last Thursday, a member of the Virginia State Commission on Immigration. He also happens to be president of the Muslim American Society. By all accounts an accomplished professional and a responsible contributor to his community, Dr. Omeish’s world changed, seemingly overnight, when some very damning video was discovered at Youtube Dot Com.

Turns out that back in August of 2006, Dr. Omeish delivered a speech before an Islamic rally in Washington D.C., and made some statements that, by any objective measure, are rather troubling.

First, the part that has people really upset. Dr. Omeish is seen on the video tape saying to his Muslim audience, "...you have learned the way, that you have known that the jihad way is the way to liberate your land."

Is this something that has been taken out of context? Sure it is. I’m only providing a partial quote here. But can we just be very candid and honest here, and admit that hearing a Muslim in America - - or anywhere else- - utter the word “jihad,” is rather unnerving?

Since the discovery of the video, Dr. Omeish has explained that this jihad flap is all a big misunderstanding. Responding to the outcry, Dr. Omeish stated “in Islam, jihad is a broad word that means constant struggle - struggling spiritually, emotionally, intellectually, physically - in all respects. So my words were in support of people who are resisting occupation and people who are trying to ... remove oppression from their land.”

Okay…so all us “non-Muslims” need to keep an open mind, and think in terms of a broader definition of “jihad.”

But what about some of the other rhetoric that appears on Dr. Omeish’s You Tube debut? Elsewhere on the recording Omeish states that the ‘invasion” of Lebanon and “support of the Israeli war machine” are criminal, and should end now. And that Israel is “illegally occupying Palestine.” And that the United States Congress has an “agenda” to support Israel, and that agenda is ‘controlling” U.S. foreign policy.

Oh, really? And since when has it become socially acceptable in the United States to assert conspiracy theories about the undue influence of Jews (isn‘t this as “old school“ and as offensive as saying that “the Jews control Hollywood?”). And how much further should this kind of rhetoric progress before we are legitimately concerned about “anti-Semitism?”

This incident certainly raises concerns about Virginia Governor Timothy Kaine’s vetting process, for appointing members to his state commission. But it also bares at least some resemblance to a set of circumstances that unfolded earlier this year in Europe.

Recall that on July 1 of this year, authorities in both England and Scottland reported the discovery of a terror plot involving Muslim physicians and their plans to wreak havoc at airports in both London and Glasgow. Fortunately the plot was thwarted. But it was bad enough to raise concerns at 10 Downing Street about the adequacy of background checks that were being conducted on so-called “professional immigrants” into the U.K.

Similarly, the “discovery” of Dr. Omeish’s inflamed rhetoric in front of his Muslim “brothers” should raise concerns here in the United States. It should, once again, cause Americans to question where the true, peace-loving Muslims are. It should cause us to ask why, among the voices of hostility and hatred, we are not hearing from those who call themselves by the name of “Allah,” yet are also able to agreeably disagree with those who do not share their faith tradition, and not wish them harm.

I dared to raise these questions myself, just last Friday in Washington, D.C. While guest hosting a talk show on ABC radio’s 630 WMAL (a station where I frequently “fill-in”), I asked these very same questions, even as the news of Dr. Omeish was breaking. And quite quickly, I was inundated with some very enlightening email and telephone calls, labeling me as a “Nazi,” “a pawn in the big Zionist propaganda machine,” and a “hate monger who is painting with a broad brush every Muslim on the planet.”

I hadn’t asserted anything - - I merely asked a couple of questions. If you’re going to ask the questions, be prepared to be so-labeled.

But the questions are still worth asking.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 21stcenturycrusades; holywar; islamicimperialism; islamicsupremacists; jihadinamerica; kaine; muslimamericans; muslimlands; muslimterritory; omeish; religiousintolerance; virginia
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1 posted on 09/30/2007 5:33:06 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Darn tootin they are worth asking. Especially since the Hebrew people have brought many contributions to civilization to all including the Messiah. And the Judeo-Christian values don’t include killing.


2 posted on 09/30/2007 5:40:28 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Kaslin
And quite quickly, I was inundated with some very enlightening email and telephone calls, labeling me as a “Nazi,” “a pawn in the big Zionist propaganda machine,” and a “hate monger who is painting with a broad brush every Muslim on the planet.” I hadn’t asserted anything - - I merely asked a couple of questions. If you’re going to ask the questions, be prepared to be so-labeled.

I am prepared so let me ask this question: If every muslim on the planet were to suddenly disappear, would it make a difference...and if so, how???

3 posted on 09/30/2007 5:41:18 AM PDT by evad
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To: Kaslin

The only good Muslim is . . .

I remember when you could finish this statement in America.


4 posted on 09/30/2007 5:43:07 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have .chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: yldstrk
And the Judeo-Christian values don’t include killing.

They don't include murder - - there are many reasons to justify killing.
5 posted on 09/30/2007 5:44:57 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have .chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: Kaslin
And quite quickly, I was inundated with some very enlightening email and telephone calls, labeling me as a “Nazi,” “a pawn in the big Zionist propaganda machine,” and a “hate monger who is painting with a broad brush every Muslim on the planet.”

I learned a long time ago they can call me anything they want.......I know in my heart I'm not a racist a bigot or "phobic' of anyone. I am however a thinking man who wants to protect his family. So I wont quit stating the truth or asking the questions.

6 posted on 09/30/2007 5:46:30 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Kaslin

In Search Of The “Peace-Loving Muslims”....

what an oxymoron....”Peace-Loving Muslims”!!!!

This excercise is as cryptic as solving the riddle of sphinx or how to cut the gordian knot!!!


7 posted on 09/30/2007 5:50:03 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: Kaslin
"Peace-Loving Muslims"

Of course there are peace loving Muslims. All Muslims are "peace loving"

You just need to understand what "peace" mean to a Muslim, you filthy insolent infidel

Revert to Islam and you will have peace. Simple as that.

8 posted on 09/30/2007 5:52:54 AM PDT by Popman
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To: Kaslin

It needs to be remembered that moslems in Israel, Iraq, Iran, and in the west are working against terrorists. We have thoughtful citizens reporting weapoms caches and roadside bombs everyday in Iraq.

Let’s not paint with too broad of a brush.


9 posted on 09/30/2007 5:57:30 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Kaslin

“In Search Of...” - Where’s Leonard Nimoy when you need him? ;)


10 posted on 09/30/2007 5:59:03 AM PDT by Spacetrucker (If you don't vote, DON'T GRIPE !)
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To: Kaslin
Dr. Omeish has explained that this jihad flap is all a big misunderstanding.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and wants to chop your head off...

11 posted on 09/30/2007 5:59:59 AM PDT by econjack ("You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.")
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To: sauropod

read


12 posted on 09/30/2007 6:02:25 AM PDT by sauropod (You canít spell crap without the AP in it.)
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To: Kaslin
Divisions of the world in Islam:

Dar al-Islam (dwelling of Islam) and (2) dar al-harb (dwelling of the sword, war)

Unti America is Dar al-Islam, America will be under Dar al-Harb

There is no thing as a peace loving Muslim

Learn it, live it, deal with it

13 posted on 09/30/2007 6:03:35 AM PDT by Popman
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To: Beckwith

I know what you want me to post, but we can not put every muslim in the same pot. It would have helped them though if istead of being silent they would have denounced the 9/11 attack


14 posted on 09/30/2007 6:03:40 AM PDT by Kaslin (The Surge has worked and the li(e)berals know it)
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To: Kaslin
"Stop Jihad Now!"

"Jihad is NOT the answer!"

"What if they gave a Jihad and nobody came?"

15 posted on 09/30/2007 6:12:35 AM PDT by Paladin2 (If you can't say something nice about CFR lackeys, just keep quiet.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.


16 posted on 09/30/2007 6:18:06 AM PDT by donna (The United States Constitution and the Koran are mutually exclusive.)
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To: Kaslin

The only “peace” that they understand, is when all Christians’ heads have stopped rolling and the blood has stopped spurting, and the religious background snuff music has stopped playing.


17 posted on 09/30/2007 6:19:39 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Kaslin

“inner, spiritual struggle”.
Sure. And the pure inner peace they achieve when they slowly saw a living Jew’s head off and sing religious ditties in the background.


18 posted on 09/30/2007 6:23:02 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Straight Vermonter
True enough. In this type of struggle the greatest problem is identification of the enemy. Beyond that the ideas that drive this evil need to be confronted in a significant way, and not in a piecemeal fashion by a few brave individuals. I believe it is not confronted in this fashion because people fear for their lives. Furthermore, the west should demand freedom of religion in all muslim controlled countries. Freeing these oppressed people by providing alternate belief systems is the only way to protect the innocent and marginalize the guilty. Remember Islam conquered “their” lands. With force of will they could be unconquered. Love your tag line. May I use the “Maple Curtain” identification?
19 posted on 09/30/2007 6:26:40 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: evad
If every muslim on the planet were to suddenly disappear, would it make a difference...and if so, how???

My neice and two nephews would disappear and I would be very saddened. My sister, who raised her three children with a Muslim father, (who are all wonderful adults now) would, no doubt, be very saddened to see her husband and children gone.

20 posted on 09/30/2007 6:57:41 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Kaslin
Dr. Omeish stated “in Islam, jihad is a broad word that means constant struggle - struggling spiritually, emotionally...

I understand. It's like a moral crusade.

21 posted on 09/30/2007 6:59:59 AM PDT by FreePoster (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Kaslin
You can stop looking for "peace loving muslims" now....

"Peace loving muslim" is an oxymoron, just like "government intelligence" and "bureaucratic efficiency".

THEY DON'T EXIST!

22 posted on 09/30/2007 7:03:41 AM PDT by dirtbiker (I'm a liberal's worst nightmare: a redneck with a pickup, a library card, and a conceal carry permit)
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To: Nuc1
Love your tag line. May I use the “Maple Curtain” identification?

Sure, I stole it from a radio host here in VT.

23 posted on 09/30/2007 7:09:28 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Kaslin

Moderate Muslim are like the Loch Ness monster and Bigfoot... thought by some to possibly exist, but never really seen.


24 posted on 09/30/2007 7:12:23 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Beckwith
The only good Muslim is . . .

I remember when you could finish this statement in America.

With allah and his 72 virginians?

Oxymoron...peace loving mooselimb

25 posted on 09/30/2007 7:21:10 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: Kaslin

I know some peace loving Iranian Muslims and they live in my community. It is interesting talking to them. They are supportive of the war and feel the US needs to be there and hope we do not pull out. They feel things would be a lot worse in the region if it weren’t for our presence.

These are the adults, who knows about the college age kids.


26 posted on 09/30/2007 7:38:09 AM PDT by Kimmers
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To: Beckwith

I saw a Peace loving Muslim once....he was next to Bigfoot while watching the Loch Ness Monster.....


27 posted on 09/30/2007 7:39:56 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( When are we going to draw a line a say"this far and no farther")
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To: Straight Vermonter

True, and the more free the flow of information, the easier it will be to make this distinction. Threatening, name calling emails in response to questions or discussions of particular individuals actions impairs this important conversation.


28 posted on 09/30/2007 8:08:21 AM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: Kaslin

Talk about Trojan Horses, we have thousands of them here.


29 posted on 09/30/2007 8:22:04 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: Popman
Remember when Hitler wanted peace, a piece of every country in Europe. Well the Muslims just want every country in Europe. And we are next.
30 posted on 09/30/2007 8:29:15 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: Straight Vermonter
It needs to be remembered that moslems in Israel, Iraq, Iran, and in the west are working against terrorists. We have thoughtful citizens reporting weapoms caches and roadside bombs everyday in Iraq. Let’s not paint with too broad of a brush.

In most cases, Muslims who work against terrorists are doing so only because the terrorists are killing other Muslims in Muslim lands. If the terrorists were only killing infidels, we would not find too many Muslims fighting the good fight.

31 posted on 09/30/2007 8:30:32 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: Yorlik803
I saw a Peace loving Muslim once....he was next to Bigfoot while watching the Loch Ness Monster.....

Sadly, it all comes down to education!

Their whole teaching is that martyrdom is their reward and preparation of going to heaven to a much better life than what they have here on earth!!

Very difficulty to change that "religion"!!!

How else can you explain that 19 "intelligent" young men are willing to sacrifice their own lives and at the same time killing 3000 innocent people and willing to fly into WTC and Pentagon???

32 posted on 09/30/2007 8:37:00 AM PDT by danamco (Now, I would LOVE to hear your solution as to how to remove 12 to 30 million people from this countr)
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To: ANGGAPO
Ray Mendez, mole-rat specialist, quoted from the documentary Fast, Cheap, & Out of Control (1997):

“The whole concept of stability is a concept of death.
It’s part of my problem with the Bambi concept of natural history, where everything is beautiful and cute and benign. It’s not the world. The world isn’t like that at all.

You’re either ‘prey, you’re an ‘enemy’, or you’re ‘ignored’.

Now think about all the islands. Island wildlife was wiped out because people could walk up to them with a stick and hit it on the head because it’s much easier to kill something that doesn’t see you as an enemy. By the time they realized it, they were extinct.”


33 posted on 09/30/2007 8:39:30 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: dirtbiker

Megadittos!

I wish the people who are adamant about searching out the ‘Peaceful Muslims’( damn, if they’re so numerous, why is the search so difficult?), would seek out the Neo-Nazi groups and find the ones who are not anti-Semites, anti black, etc.
A much smaller group- so finding the ‘good Neo-Nazi’s’ should be easier to do, wouldn’t you think?
What’s that we hear? Neo-Nazi’s are defined by Nazism, which means there aren’t any ‘good Nazi’s’???
So are all Muslims defined by Islam.
Islam’s basic tenet is ‘submit or die’. Islam is proving what it is every day on the news. Muslims are defined by Islam. One cannot embrace an evil ideology and call themselves ‘good’. Angels do not dance with Satan.


34 posted on 09/30/2007 8:50:19 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: Kaslin

Peace-Loving Moose-limbs

Nam Vet

35 posted on 09/30/2007 8:55:06 AM PDT by Nam Vet (Timely reporting from Attila's right flank)
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To: danamco

It is the supremacist ideology that they are taught. The kufir are subhuman. In some corners they/we are talked of as the crossbreeding of pigs and monkeys.

Regardless, they see us as second class (or lower) entities. We can be bartered/sold as slaves or killed as you might slaugther a cow or fish.

In Islamic countries there is a distinction under the law between a muslim and a non-muslim.

It can be like looking for a peaceful Klansman. Robert Byrd may not be lynching anyone but he still uses the N-word with all of its intensity. He claims he can do this because there are “white n****** too”. The supremacist thoughts remain.


36 posted on 09/30/2007 8:57:39 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Kaslin
I hadn’t asserted anything - - I merely asked a couple of questions. If you’re going to ask the questions, be prepared to be so-labeled.

But the questions are still worth asking.

More to the point, after all the childish namecalling and non-sequiturs, the universal muslim logic, the questions remain unanswered...

37 posted on 09/30/2007 8:58:54 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: ClearBlueSky

We are told that this whole culture clash can be ended if the kufir/”West” will just leave “muslim lands”.

Except this does the native non-muslim population out in the cold because THEY TOO ARE REJECTED. And if you are a muslim who converts away from the faith, you’ve committed a greater offense against Islam than one who never bowed to Mohammed. The Apostate who has left Islam “was saved” whereas the kufir never was.

And what were “muslim lands” before Mohammed The Warlord and his followers led their conquests? Is Lebanon “mulsim land”? How about Turkey? Spain? Michigan? Indonesia?


38 posted on 09/30/2007 9:03:17 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Let’s not paint with too broad of a brush.

You live with your delusions, I'll live with mine.

I am upgrading to the broadest brush made, as soon as it becomes available.

I discovered, many many years ago, that a 000 brush is a waste of time in the muslim context.

That moslems in Iran and Iraq are "working" (whatever that means) against terrorist is reassuring < /sarc >.

It is possible, you know, to be "working" against terrorists and simultaneously killing Americans.

39 posted on 09/30/2007 9:06:02 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Kaslin
(isn‘t this as “old school“ and as offensive as saying that “the Jews control Hollywood?”).

People gave the Iranian Nutjob a pass when he made antisemitic comments at Columbia last week. They drew the distinction that he was speaking out against Zionism, not all Jews.

Except they ignored comments he made such as the ones about the "Zionist controlled media". Someone should have asked him if he accepted the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as "genuine".

40 posted on 09/30/2007 9:06:51 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Publius6961
just back from the rally?


41 posted on 09/30/2007 9:09:41 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: weegee

There you go! Let’s start a search for the black-loving Klansman, the meat-eating vegan, the rainless hurricane, the Jew-loving Nazi and the God-loving atheist.
Please post picture of the first one found in either category.

DAMN! What’s next, the search for water that isn’t wet? Fire that isn’t hot? Why this insistence on denying the NATURE of Islam?


42 posted on 09/30/2007 9:09:51 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: Kaslin
I know what you want me to post, but we can not put every muslim in the same pot.

Not only I can, but I do without hesitation.
There is only the umma, and I understand it perfectly.

Worker ants, reproduction ants and soldier ants.

None can survive without the other two. The whole is what makes the community, the umma. Try to eradicate an ant community selectively...

43 posted on 09/30/2007 9:11:29 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Publius6961

The Saudis have been working against domestic terorism for the past 30 years by funding the expansion of Wahabism around the world. It bought the Wahabis off and got them off their own backs.

How can we have a separation of Church/Mosque and State when a foreign government is funding the expansion of that faith? There should be no tax exempt status for any religious institution receiving millions in funding from a foreign government.


44 posted on 09/30/2007 9:11:40 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

The one in front of the burning cross REALLY LOVES black people. He’s just there because his backside is cold.


45 posted on 09/30/2007 9:13:09 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: raybbr
..My sister, who raised her three children with a Muslim father, (who are all wonderful adults now) would, no doubt, be very saddened to see her husband and children gone.

That would be a personal tragedy which we wouldn't want to happen so let me refine my question.

"Suppose somehow we could make the scourge of Islam disappear". Would it make a difference and how?

I'll open up with answer #1--Terrorism and the mega waste of resources and lives would be drastically reduced. I think that would be a good thing.

46 posted on 09/30/2007 10:25:19 AM PDT by evad
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To: Kaslin

“Peace-Loving Muslims” = out of bullets


47 posted on 09/30/2007 10:26:32 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: weegee; danamco
It can be like looking for a peaceful Klansman. Robert Byrd may not be lynching anyone but he still uses the N-word with all of its intensity.

The only difference between Saddam Hussein and Robert Byrd is the way they wore their designer sheets...

48 posted on 09/30/2007 10:32:12 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Palestinian birth control is a bomb strapped to a ten year old...


49 posted on 09/30/2007 10:35:32 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: yldstrk

“the Hebrew people have brought many contributions to civilization to all including the Messiah”

And on this fine relaxed Sunday, let us not forget sesame bagels, olive cream cheese, lox and onions, and corned beef.


50 posted on 09/30/2007 12:47:22 PM PDT by angkor ("California, Is nice to the homeless, California, Supercool to the homeless..." South Park 11.07)
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