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ABC Lumps 'Christian Right' With 9-11 Terrorists as Driving People to Atheism
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 09/30/2007 6:43:04 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

Edited on 09/30/2007 7:24:49 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Editor's Note: ABC News broadcast the item equating Christians with 9-11 terrorists in being responsible for driving people to atheism. Mark Finkelstein wrote the article at NewsBusters CRITICIZING ABC. Please address your comments accordingly.

ABC may have set a loathsome new MSM low in insulting traditional Christians. On today's "Good Morning America," the network lumped the "Christan right" with the 9-11 Islamic terrorists as driving people to atheism.

Keying off an atheists convention being held this weekend, GMA ran a segment on the "Rise in Atheism." Seeking to explain the phenomenon, as images rolled first of the WTC in flames and then of a man placidly holding a sign that simply read "One Nation Under God" and of a display at a demonstration of the Ten Commandments, ABC's Liz Marlantes stated:

Some are reacting to religious extremism, like the Islamic fundamentalism behind the terrorist attacks of 9-11, but also the rise of the Christian right in the U.S.

So there it is. To ABC, traditional Christians are as responsible for making people doubt God as the 9-11 terrorists. People peacefully exercising their First Amendment rights by displaying the Ten Commandments or a sign containing an excerpt from the Pledge of Allegiance as faith-shattering as terrorists who murder thousands by flying airplanes into buildings.

Does MSM anti-Christian bias get any worse than this? ABC owes an apology.

NOTE: In making the case that atheism is growing, Marantes mentioned that "Congress now has its first self-proclaimed atheist." But while displaying his image [shown here], ABC didn't in any way identify him. He is Pete Stark (D-Calif.)

 

Contact Mark at mark@gunhill.net


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1 posted on 09/30/2007 6:43:10 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Despicable.


2 posted on 09/30/2007 6:45:52 AM PDT by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; netmilsmom; Diogenesis; YaYa123; MEG33; ...

ABC News anti-Christian guaranteed engine-starter ping to Today show list.


3 posted on 09/30/2007 6:46:15 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

This is nothing new for the MSM. They have been anti-religion for years. The left cannot stand people having any authority higher than the government, which the left intends to control.


4 posted on 09/30/2007 6:47:02 AM PDT by kjo
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To: kjo

A good point. There are many practicing atheists even if they are unavowed.


5 posted on 09/30/2007 6:48:34 AM PDT by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
godlessness makes strange bedfellows.

6 posted on 09/30/2007 6:48:45 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (life is like "a bad Saturday Night Live skit that is done in extremely bad taste.")
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To: kjo

Dead on.


7 posted on 09/30/2007 6:49:35 AM PDT by MrEdd (Keeping my foot on the necks of liberals since 1980.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Typical.


8 posted on 09/30/2007 6:51:39 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Idiots.

This agnostic left the faith of his youth due to rational reflection. This is the case for most conscious non-believers as well.

Of course, you have alot more morons these days who just reject faith out of intellectual laziness.

9 posted on 09/30/2007 6:51:40 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

There have been some comparisons not too much different here lately on Free Republic.


10 posted on 09/30/2007 6:52:41 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Umm, isn't the Today show on NBC?

I believe that ABC has Good Morning America.

11 posted on 09/30/2007 6:53:03 AM PDT by Pablo64 (National Alpaca Farm Day is 9-29-07. Visit an alpaca farm near you!)
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To: Pablo64

Please point out where I made a reference to the Today show and I’ll correct it.


12 posted on 09/30/2007 6:54:57 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

ABC forgot for a moment that the First Amendment allows everybody to say what they want. Best they give up their advocacy for suppression of free speech.


13 posted on 09/30/2007 6:57:04 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I would like to start that I am in no way trying to “bash” or hate on religion, this is just the way I feel on this subject:

While not agreeing with the way it was presented, I can see the point that GMA (through very bad presentation) was trying to make.

The reason I say that is because not everybody wants to have religion crammed down their gullets, and sometimes that is what it feels like when somebody makes an attempt to limit your freedoms due to their religious convictions.


14 posted on 09/30/2007 6:57:28 AM PDT by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Does MSM anti-Christian bias get any worse than this? ABC owes an apology

Yes, they will go even lower ... these liberals are desperate to rip apart and destroy the foundation of what so many people believe in .. God the Father

15 posted on 09/30/2007 6:58:10 AM PDT by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Pablo64

Perhaps you’re referring to my ping to “the Today show list.”

To explain: in 2002 I began posting vanity threads here analyzing the liberal bias at “Today.” When NewsBusters was created in 2005 I was invited to become a contributor. My scope has gone beyond “Today,” but I continue to ping items to the list that bears the original name.


16 posted on 09/30/2007 6:58:33 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

This rise in atheism and godlessness is a sign of the nearness of the Second Coming. Those rejoicing at the death of God will be dumbfounded to their everlasting shame.


17 posted on 09/30/2007 6:58:37 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rear view mirror.)
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To: Clemenza
I've always been of the impression God has a special place for the unbelievers ~ it's called "Outer Darkness" and once you begin your journey to that place it's impossible to call you back.

Bye, bye!

18 posted on 09/30/2007 6:58:43 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

That’s what got me confused.


19 posted on 09/30/2007 7:00:20 AM PDT by Pablo64 (National Alpaca Farm Day is 9-29-07. Visit an alpaca farm near you!)
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To: SoldierMedic
Oh, you are concerned with BEHAVIOR, not speech ~ now I get it.

Frankly I don't care what you believe or don't believe; just keep your hands off my wallet ~ it's sacred to me.

20 posted on 09/30/2007 7:00:27 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Iy you were to examine this on a scientific basis, you would look at things like the following:

1.The correlation of war, murder, genocide, rape, i.e., the bad stuff, with (a) Christianity, (b) Judaism, (c) Islam, (d) other religions, and (d) atheism. During the past century, atheism, represented by the communists and fascists, come in first by far. I do believe that Islam comes in second. Way far back would be Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and Bhuddism.

2.The other side of the coin would be a correlation of peace, prosperity, freedom, civil liberty, equal rights and toleration of others, and so forth. On this scale, Christianity and Judaism would come in first, Hinduism and Bhuddism second (and quickly catching up). Islam and atheism would be mixed bags.


21 posted on 09/30/2007 7:01:25 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

“abc lumps christian right with 9-11 terrorists...”

that’s an appropriate opinion for a radical, left-wing, organization that’s the propaganda arm of the far left-wing, american, democrat party that wishes to establish the american soviet in north america.


22 posted on 09/30/2007 7:01:36 AM PDT by ripley
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Liz Marlantes’ previous employer was the Christian Science Monitor. So much for biting the hand that fed you.


23 posted on 09/30/2007 7:02:33 AM PDT by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

‘...the network lumped the “Christan right” with the 9-11 Islamic terrorists”

The network my eye. Mark Finklestein and his producer wrote and approved the story. They are the atheistic ones. The name itself, Mark Finklestein, conjures up images of a godless, socialistic, wimp writer.


24 posted on 09/30/2007 7:02:50 AM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: SoldierMedic
The reason I say that is because not everybody wants to have religion crammed down their gullets, and sometimes that is what it feels like when somebody makes an attempt to limit your freedoms due to their religious convictions.

Those people aren't real Christians because Jesus never taught or embraced beating people over the head with religion. His was by example. He was very gentle but firm in His beliefs.

25 posted on 09/30/2007 7:04:09 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rear view mirror.)
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To: BipolarBob
Yeahbut He said you're going to Hell anyway.

And He'd be the Judge!

So much for that mambypamby antinominalism.

26 posted on 09/30/2007 7:05:44 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

No problem, I have no intentions of taking your money.


27 posted on 09/30/2007 7:05:47 AM PDT by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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To: Rennes Templar; governsleastgovernsbest

Uh, Rennes. You are aware that Mark Finklestein IS Freeper governsleastgovernsbest, are you not?


28 posted on 09/30/2007 7:06:22 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Rennes Templar

RT: I am Mark Finkelstein. My FReeper screenname is “governsleastgovernsbest.” I wrote the article at NewsBusters that criticized ABC, and cross-posted it here.


29 posted on 09/30/2007 7:07:10 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: SoldierMedic
But you are undoubtedly prone to vote for someone who agrees with you regarding my religious rights, so you'd be taking money out of my wallet anyway.

I expect more than a pledge out of you ~ something REAL ~ like to show your good faith maybe you could sever a knuckle or something ~ that way I can see you are good to your word.

30 posted on 09/30/2007 7:08:29 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Clemenza; Rennes Templar

Thanks, Clemenza. I appreciate your explaining to Rennes.

This kind of thing has happened often in the past. It got so bad that for a while, when posting such items, I’d begin with block letter disclaimer. Looks like I should have done that today.


31 posted on 09/30/2007 7:10:21 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: muawiyah
Yeahbut He said you're going to Hell anyway.

He said nothing of the sort. My name is not mentioned in the Bible anywhere. God will judge righteously. By comparison you cannot discern your left hand from your right.

32 posted on 09/30/2007 7:13:06 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rear view mirror.)
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To: muawiyah
But you are undoubtedly prone to vote for someone who agrees with you regarding my religious rights, so you'd be taking money out of my wallet anyway.

My aversion for overly religious politics does not mean I refuse to vote for those who hold religion in high regard. I have many political beliefs, my views on religion being only a small part of those. Because the issues I hold in the highest priority are things like the WOT, immigration, Taxes, and keeping socialized medicine away from America, you can rest assured I won't be voting against your interests any time soon.
33 posted on 09/30/2007 7:13:58 AM PDT by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The MSM is the leader of people to atheism.
They do everything possible to discredit people of faith.
Lumping good Christians with Islamic terrorists is a cheap shot.
I think ABC should be lumped in with “The Onion” when it comes to newsworthy journalism.


34 posted on 09/30/2007 7:15:06 AM PDT by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Pete Stark. Not exactly the kind of person atheists would want to showcase unless they are all nuts and kooks.
35 posted on 09/30/2007 7:15:06 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

There is a rise in atheism because pop culture, controlled my the Leftist media elite, is hostile towards Christianity.

The media elite target young people because they are the easiest to influence. In such an environment it would be impossible for atheism to not be on the rise.

To blame Christians for the rise in atheism, excuse me but that is just a laughable joke. This is a clear case of the guilty blaming the victim.


36 posted on 09/30/2007 7:17:48 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: BipolarBob

You still sound like an antinominalist.


37 posted on 09/30/2007 7:18:22 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SoldierMedic
Still, when you refer to religion being "stuffed down" your throat, that's a criticism of OTHER PEOPLE'S religion ~and those who start sticking their nose into other's religious beliefs almost invariably end up voting for people who will suppress religion, or start dictating beliefs.

I'd much prefer a small token of flesh that you are good to your word first!

Certainly you can understand my distrust of your promises absent a surity.

38 posted on 09/30/2007 7:21:20 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I am Mark Finkelstein. My FReeper screenname is “governsleastgovernsbest.” I wrote the article at NewsBusters that criticized ABC, and cross-posted it here.

Well,sir, it is an honor to know we are rowing on the same team. Fare thee well.

39 posted on 09/30/2007 7:21:38 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: yankeedame

Many thanks, yankeedame.


40 posted on 09/30/2007 7:22:58 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Of course I don't watch ABC, NBC or CBS or any other alphabet soup news providers for information on much of anything.

Still, when it comes to atheists, I always harken to the U=boat skipper, one of the few who survived, who said he always found atheism interesting. As the war progressed, fanatical youths kept joining the submarine corps. The more the war surrendered to time, the more atheistin these patriots became. The sub driver said when the depth charges started exploding around them, these fanatical atheists were the first to hit their knees to pray fervently for deliverance.

Is "atheist" a synonym for "MSM" which is a synonym for "Democrat?"

41 posted on 09/30/2007 7:29:18 AM PDT by stevem
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To: muawiyah
But you are undoubtedly prone to vote for someone who agrees with you regarding my religious rights, so you'd be taking money out of my wallet anyway.

Sure thing Shylock, your pound of flesh is in the mail /sarc

Still, when you refer to religion being "stuffed down" your throat, that's a criticism of OTHER PEOPLE'S religion ~and those who start sticking their nose into other's religious beliefs almost invariably end up voting for people who will suppress religion, or start dictating beliefs.

Please, I in no way want to supress somebody's religion, I just object when it affects me. If my baggage handler at Safeway refused to handle my bacon because of their Islamic beliefs, I'll object. If my Hindu neighbor made constant efforts to curtail my beef intake, I'd object. On that same token, if somebody starts ranting at me because I my wife and I weren't married yet when we started living together, or is telling me I'm going to hell because I don't go to church, I object to that.
42 posted on 09/30/2007 7:30:42 AM PDT by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

This is to be expected. Christ told us so.


43 posted on 09/30/2007 7:31:43 AM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (...And we, poor fools, demand truth's noon, who scarce can bear its crescent moon.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

This is to be expected. Christ told us so. That he did this 2,000 years ago, and (yet another) prophecy from the bible shows to be true, reveals how much evidence they must look past in order to set their eyes on themselves instead of God.


44 posted on 09/30/2007 7:33:10 AM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (...And we, poor fools, demand truth's noon, who scarce can bear its crescent moon.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Wow, this is blatant, this is an actual political campaign.

It’s time to begin ours.

45 posted on 09/30/2007 7:36:00 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Rejecting God because they don’t agree with some believers? Even if it were true, isn’t it like ... rejecting all food because you don’t like macaroni and cheese?


46 posted on 09/30/2007 7:38:30 AM PDT by dinoparty
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Time=Lies, Newsweak, and other branches of the MSM have been telling the public that “God is Dead” since the 1960s.

Every Christmas and Easter is another expose how Christianity is a “sham”.

ABCDisney can go Lewinsky themselves.


47 posted on 09/30/2007 7:39:56 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: SoldierMedic

“While not agreeing with the way it was presented, I can see the point that GMA (through very bad presentation) was trying to make.”

Although I don’t agree with they way they presented it, I tend to agree. The problem with this is mainly in the MSM depiction of this “rising Christian right”.

That said, these MSM-proclaimed “evangelical leaders” don’t do much to help the situation. Many preach a new form of social conservatism enforced through force of government. I say to FReepers, be careful what you wish for and by what means you employ to see those wishes to fruition. Dangerous ground here.


48 posted on 09/30/2007 7:42:28 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: SoldierMedic

The homosexual agenda is forced down our throats too by the MSM, courts, corporate America, etc (but surprisingly little action by the LEGISTATURE, which is part of why the issue is still a sore spot for many people, it was foced upon us without consensus).

Doesn’t seem to have soured the public’s tv viewing habits, beer thirst, support of Ford Motors, applications for colleges, etc.


49 posted on 09/30/2007 7:42:58 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: SoldierMedic
I would like to start that I am in no way trying to “bash” or hate on religion, this is just the way I feel on this subject:

While not agreeing with the way it was presented, I can see the point that GMA (through very bad presentation) was trying to make.

The reason I say that is because not everybody wants to have religion crammed down their gullets, and sometimes that is what it feels like when somebody makes an attempt to limit your freedoms due to their religious convictions.


What freedoms are you talking about and how, exactly, are they being limited?
50 posted on 09/30/2007 7:43:25 AM PDT by khnyny
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