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Paul's call: end the IRS (Mod sez: No taxes of any kind! No war! Whoopee!)
Union Leader ^ | 9/30/07 | Garry Rayno

Posted on 09/30/2007 10:12:11 AM PDT by traviskicks

Edited on 09/30/2007 4:01:53 PM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

Manchester – Calls to abolish the Internal Revenue Service and repeal the Constitutional amendment that established the federal income tax drew loud applause yesterday for Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul.

The Texas Congressman drew an eclectic mix of more than 500 supporters -- young and old, Libertarians and anti-war Democrats, independents and conservative Republicans -- who cheered his message of limited government, low taxes, free markets, bringing the troops home from Iraq, and returning to a monetary policy based on the gold standard.

Paul said the gathering at Veterans Park wasn't about him, but about his message -- which, he said, has been resonating with more and more people.

"Something very significant is happening in this country today. The paradigm is shifting away from government controlling our lives by force," he said. "People are sick and tired of what's happening and want to control (their) own lives."

He said people should be able to keep 100 percent of the fruits of their labor. Income tax is an example of the government controlling people, he said, as are the draft, prohibition on drugs, seat belt laws and other regulations.

Paul said current monetary policy amounts to a "secret sinister tax" that takes wealth from the middle class and poor, and redistributes money to Wall Street and the wealthy. The crowd broke into applause when he said the federal reserve system should be abolished.

Earlier in the day, Paul told three New Hampshire reporters he hoped to turn the enthusiasm his campaign has generated -- through the Internet, in "meet-ups" and through campaign donations -- into votes.

The physician-turned-politician said he expects to spend more and more time in New Hampshire. "The slogan on your license plate would indicate this should be fertile ground for us here," he said, alluding to the state's "Live Free or Die" motto.

Paul said he is running on the same policies President Bush advocated when he ran in 2000, which, he added, are the same ones Republicans have run on for years: a balanced budget, limited government, personal freedom and no nation building.

"Most Republicans -- the leadership in Washington -- don't believe in their own platform; that's why they are losing," Paul said.

Rather than try to spread democracy around the world, he said, politicians ought to focus on some of the shortcomings in this country.

"You don't get a fair shake unless you join the establishment," he said.

Paul, who ran for President in 1988 as the Libertarian Party's nominee, said it's more practical to run as a Republican, noting he spent half of his money in 1988 just trying to get on the ballot in all 50 states.

The door-to-door canvassing that followed the rally -- dubbed the Paul Family Walk -- included about 30 family members who led groups of campaigners in the Queen City, Concord and Nashua. Paul himself visited New England College, Dartmouth College and the Dartmouth Medical School after the rally.

Liz Viering and her husband Peter, from Stonington, Conn., said Paul's opposition to the war in Iraq is the major reason they are supporting him. "Money spent on wars of choice takes money away from other programs," she said.

Miles LaPlant, a 21-year old college student from Attleboro, Mass., said Paul is the first candidate who has captured his attention. LaPlant said he likes Paul's stances regarding the Constitution and the country's founding principles.

Jason Kantz, his wife, Angela, and their two children came up from Cambridge, Mass., for the rally. Kantz said Paul "is the only candidate that gives logical answers and means what he says."

He said Paul's stand on the war in Iraq is also an important issue for him. "We need to reduce our involvement around the world and the amount of money we are spending," Kantz said.

Long-time Libertarian Party member Dennis Corrigan of Boxford, Mass., said he supported Paul when the Congressman ran for President as the Libertarian nominee. He said he has been a Libertarian for 40 years and headed the party in Canada at one time.

Corrigan and a friend were soliticiting signatures for a Massachusetts ballot initiative outlawing the income tax. Corrigan said his friend moved to New Hampshire as part of the Free State Project, adding that he plans to move to the state, as well.

Thomas Clark, Minister of the Somersworth Tri-City Convenant Church, gave the invocation for the rally. Before the rally, he said he supports Paul because of his pro-life stance. "The pro-life issue is a major issue for me," Clark said.

Paul concluded the rally by encouraging his supporters to keep the faith, saying most mass movements have been driven by only 2 or 3 percent of the population.

"You are part of that 3 percent today," he said.

A word from Jim Robinson to the moonbats:

"It is funny and sad to see FR become “Defend Big Guv And Like It Republic.” Something is in the water along the lines of the following formula: “Big Gov execesses are necessary in times of war; we will always be at war with “terror”; ergo, Big Guv will always be necessary so hug it and put an “R” after it.”

To all antiwar moonbats, Paulistas included:

Hey, if you don't like FR and or our support the war policies leave. Go find a website that supports your unfortunate, short-sighted and misguided antiwar efforts. It's really that simple.

In case you antiwar Paulistas haven't noticed, Free Republic supports the war effort 100%. Many of our chapters protest against the antiwar moonbats either weekly, monthly or whenever the opportunity arises. The DC Chapter has been protesting against the antiwar moonbats EVERY Friday night at Walter Reed for three years.

Free Republic has co-sponsored several cross country caravans and hundreds of rallies in cities all across the country and in DC against the antiwar moonbats and in support of our Commander-in-chief, our troops, the war effort and our Gold Star and Blue Star families, many of whom are FReepers.

When you are supporting antiwar moonbats you are working against Free Republic's mission, hurting our efforts, hurting our families who have lost loved ones or have loved ones involved in the fighting, hurting our troops, damaging their morale, working against our efforts to defeat the enemy, and, in fact, giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

Antiwar moonbats are the domestic enemy. Antiwar moonbats willingly give aid and comfort to the enemy during wartime. In my book, that's tantamount to treason. Ron Paul is an antiwar moonbat. You figure it out. If antiwar moonbats are the enemy and Ron Paul is an aid and comfort supplying antiwar moonbat, then Ron Paul IS the enemy!

If you Paulistas are looking for support on FR for an antiwar moonbat who is giving aid and comfort to our enemies, you're nuts! Free Republic will NEVER support antiwar moonbats!

As far as our official policy on Ron Paul is concerned, it's the same policy we have for his antiwar moonbat allies the traitors Harry Reid, Chuckie Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Jack Murtha, Cindy Sheehan, Barbara Streisand, Jane Fonda, CodePink, International Answer, et al and their flaming antiwar spam monkeys. Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!

Where the hell did you guys ever get the idea that enemy supporting antiwar moonbats would be welcome on FR?

That plain enough for you or do I need to spell it out?

168 posted on 09/30/2007 6:22:47 PM EDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)


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To: traviskicks
bringing the troops home from Iraq

to not protect our rights from external threats and to not fight back in self defense when war is declared on you twice is malpractice.

161 posted on 09/30/2007 3:00:49 PM PDT by mjp (Live & let live. I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. Statism & high taxes suck.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; Allegra; Lead Moderator
It doesn't have to be. Since immigration laws would be enforced under Paul, that means Muslims wouldn't be using visas and other ways to come here and cause trouble.

Liar (and a jaw-droppingly inept one, at that). "Enforced immigration laws" obviously and demonstrably would NOT "ban Muslims from immigrating here" -- your original claim -- any more than it would "ban" Frenchmen, or practicing voodoo priestesses, or Aboriginal bush children from doing so, outright. Our existing immigration laws -- the very things you're asserting (idiotically) would be "enforced" in the first place -- have nothing whatsoever to say on the subject of banning Muslims qua Muslims.

Humiliate yourself further, by all means, if you'd like. I, for one, always enjoy a little cabaret with my evening meal.

162 posted on 09/30/2007 3:07:00 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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To: MNJohnnie
So, you Paulites want civility?

Too late. You've already driven off most Paul supporters and other Libertarians.
Now here's some real world "AS IT IS" for you:
72 million registered Democrats.
55 million registered Republicans.
42 million registered independents.

How many of those independent votes do you think you'll win with any of the other Republican candidates?

Say hello to President Hillary!
.
163 posted on 09/30/2007 3:09:20 PM PDT by radioman
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To: Lead Moderator
Libertarians, rat lite, we have had this arguement for a lot of years. Libertarians = dope, sodomy, open borders, love your aggressor. Hippie Conservatives

Libertarians are Conservatives that haven't grown up yet and like to smoke dope.

164 posted on 09/30/2007 3:09:21 PM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: dirtboy

Interesting tagline. I’ve looked around quite a bit and I can’t seem to find anywhere that Ron Paul is advocating surrender to anyone. Maybe you could enlighten me.


165 posted on 09/30/2007 3:11:30 PM PDT by NCSteve (I am not arguing with you - I am telling you. -- James Whistler)
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To: SoldierMedic
Do you enjoy sending out letters and having them get to were you want them to go? That costs money.

Yes, it does cost money. The price goes up every couple of years.

166 posted on 09/30/2007 3:17:48 PM PDT by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
My honest and accurate assessment of the woefully inadequate mini-doc

And I find it odd that you would label that statement a "Woefully inadequate mini-doc".

Would you prefer a 10,000 page government statement or study, made by 86 different government committees, that takes years to produce?

Hmmm.

I'd say his statement was, to the point, and right on the money and makes more sense that Bush's entire 6 plus years of this open border, lawless free for all.

And I find it odder still, in turn, that you're flailing about so desperately in the patent attempt to distract from the original point under discussion

Uh, I was just commenting on the article in the link provided by the other poster, while you seem consumed by some tit for tat word game you're playing with the person who posted the link to the statement on immigration.

The statement or the link regarding immigration makes perfect sense, no?

167 posted on 09/30/2007 3:21:34 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Puddleglum
"It is funny and sad to see FR become “Defend Big Guv And Like It Republic.” Something is in the water along the lines of the following formula: “Big Gov execesses are necessary in times of war; we will always be at war with “terror”; ergo, Big Guv will always be necessary so hug it and put an “R” after it.”

To all antiwar moonbats, Paulistas included:

Hey, if you don't like FR and or our support the war policies leave. Go find a website that supports your unfortunate, short-sighted and misguided antiwar efforts. It's really that simple.

In case you antiwar Paulistas haven't noticed, Free Republic supports the war effort 100%. Many of our chapters protest against the antiwar moonbats either weekly, monthly or whenever the opportunity arises. The DC Chapter has been protesting against the antiwar moonbats EVERY Friday night at Walter Reed for three years.

Free Republic has co-sponsored several cross country caravans and hundreds of rallies in cities all across the country and in DC against the antiwar moonbats and in support of our Commander-in-chief, our troops, the war effort and our Gold Star and Blue Star families, many of whom are FReepers.

When you are supporting antiwar moonbats you are working against Free Republic's mission, hurting our efforts, hurting our families who have lost loved ones or have loved ones involved in the fighting, hurting our troops, damaging their morale, working against our efforts to defeat the enemy, and, in fact, giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

Antiwar moonbats are the domestic enemy. Antiwar moonbats willingly give aid and comfort to the enemy during wartime. In my book, that's tantamount to treason. Ron Paul is an antiwar moonbat. You figure it out. If antiwar moonbats are the enemy and Ron Paul is an aid and comfort supplying antiwar moonbat, then Ron Paul IS the enemy!

If you Paulistas are looking for support on FR for an antiwar moonbat who is giving aid and comfort to our enemies, you're nuts! Free Republic will NEVER support antiwar moonbats!

As far as our official policy on Ron Paul is concerned, it's the same policy we have for his antiwar moonbat allies the traitors Harry Reid, Chuckie Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Jack Murtha, Cindy Sheehan, Barbara Streisand, Jane Fonda, CodePink, International Answer, et al and their flaming antiwar spam monkeys. Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!

Where the hell did you guys ever get the idea that enemy supporting antiwar moonbats would be welcome on FR?

That plain enough for you or do I need to spell it out?

168 posted on 09/30/2007 3:22:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!

My new tag line! Dibs! DIBS -- !!! ;)

169 posted on 09/30/2007 3:26:00 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Unless Hillary is running as a Republican in the Republican primaries, please explain to me how he could "throw the race" to her.

I never said anything about "throw the race to her".

Paul reminds me of Perot. Lots of tawk...

170 posted on 09/30/2007 3:29:03 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Tagline:(Optional, printed after your name on post0:)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
How many times are you going to PING the Mods?

My post was based on probability. No, Paul didn't say it specifically, but securing the borders and enforcing immigration laws equals no Muslims coming here to wreak havoc.

171 posted on 09/30/2007 3:30:36 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Congratulations Brett Favre! NFL's all-time touchdown leader)
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To: dragnet2
This is your second sad, splay-footed attempt to dodge the same question as before, in the harsh, unforgiving spotlight of full public view.

How embarrassing. For you.

Please don't attempt to clumsily change the subject under discussion by frantically hopping up and down and pinwheeling your arms like that. For the record: by your "yes, yes," then, I take you -- as another vocal and (putatively) knowledgeable Ron Paul supporter -- are admitting, openly, that the assertion that Ron Paul would ensure that "Muslims would be banned from immigrating here" is, in plain point of fact, a great, whopping, steaming pile? A simple, straightforward YES or NO, please.

Why are you so strenuously avoiding doing so, I don't wonder...?

172 posted on 09/30/2007 3:31:52 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: lormand; dirtboy; MNJohnnie; SJackson; jveritas; jrooney

PING to post #168


173 posted on 09/30/2007 3:32:12 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Congratulations Brett Favre! NFL's all-time touchdown leader)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
How many times are you going to PING the Mods?

Why should my doing so distress you so? I mean, It's not as if you've been caught lying in plain and open view or anything, right...?

No, Paul didn't say it specifically

Oh. It IS as if you've been caught lying in plain and open view, then.

securing the borders and enforcing immigration laws equals no Muslims coming here to wreak havoc.

You've already been corrected on this once, for pity's sake. There are no "existing immigration laws" to "enforce" which would "equal no Muslims coming here." None. Zip. Nada.

If I'm wrong: CITE them, with verifiable links provided. (You've already more than amply demonstrated that no other FReepers hereabouts need take your word, unsupported, for any such assertions.)

Go ahead. Humiliate me. Make me grovel and cringe, if you can, by all means.

[::... tick... tick... tick... tick... tick... :]

174 posted on 09/30/2007 3:41:28 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Go ahead. Humiliate me. Make me grovel and cringe, if you can, by all means.

I don't do BDSM, sorry.

175 posted on 09/30/2007 3:42:25 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Congratulations Brett Favre! NFL's all-time touchdown leader)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I don't do BDSM, sorry.

You don't "do" the truth evidently, either.

That's okay. We both know the real score, here.

And now, so does everyone else.

176 posted on 09/30/2007 3:45:41 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: Allegra; Petronski; SJackson

You need to read this. ;)


177 posted on 09/30/2007 3:48:43 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
No I didn't see that, and uh...I never said it was there if you'd read back. (((wow))).

Now, do I dare ask you to respond to my questions?

Second thought, maybe this is too risky...

Yeah...Lets just ferget it.

I see you're constantly pinging the moderator and others here...Strange...So I'll just not comment or voice my opinions to you...I think avoiding you would be wise.

Have fun!

178 posted on 09/30/2007 3:50:13 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
No I didn't see that, and uh...I never said it was there if you'd read back. (((wow))).

Does this come with subtitles? LOL!!!

Now, do I dare ask you to respond to my questions?

Still haven't answered MINE, yet. (Three spastic dodges on your part, now -- and counting!)

I think avoiding you would be wise.

The part I always love best is when they inevitably start belly-crawling away, whimpering like whipped spaniel pups. A jaded thrill, I know... but: there you have it. ;)

179 posted on 09/30/2007 3:54:46 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Still haven't answered MINE, yet

OK, I'll play just a minute or so more with you. What is this burning question that I have allegedly avoided?

180 posted on 09/30/2007 3:57:25 PM PDT by dragnet2
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