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Paul's call: end the IRS (Mod sez: No taxes of any kind! No war! Whoopee!)
Union Leader ^ | 9/30/07 | Garry Rayno

Posted on 09/30/2007 10:12:11 AM PDT by traviskicks

Edited on 09/30/2007 4:01:53 PM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: MNJohnnie
Or do you all assume we can simply put a “closed” sign on the whole US Govt?.

Is that such a bad idea?

101 posted on 09/30/2007 12:21:55 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Watch and pray.)
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To: ozzymandus
Just curious, are there any former Paul supporters out there who have sobered up and realized that Ron Paul is a flaming nut?

I am a Paul suporter but agree with you that Paul is a "flaming nut." He must be to turn down his Congressional pension, I mean how wacko can you get in our society to turn down "free money!" He should be a straight jacket for that sin, right?

102 posted on 09/30/2007 12:22:43 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Puddleglum
It is funny and sad to see FR become “Defend Big Guv And Like It Republic.”

No, FR is the WIN THE WAR site. Been that way ever since 9-11. And no Paulnutz are gonna change that.

103 posted on 09/30/2007 12:25:15 PM PDT by dirtboy (Ron Paul - shrimp pimp rock schlockster surrender crustacean)
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To: MNJohnnie

“What replaces the IRS? Or do you all assume we can simply put a “closed” sign on the whole US Govt?.”

Actually nothing. A third of our government is paid for by the IRS. Cutting a third of the government cost would amount to the spending levels in 2000. I think we could cut a third of our budget and not have the govt shut down. Imagine the boost to the economy if you didn’t have to pay to Uncle Sam every day.


104 posted on 09/30/2007 12:26:53 PM PDT by CJ Wolf (Gaia Save the thighness! (for a nice muesem or prison somewhere))
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To: mamelukesabre
My idea is that the military should fund itself(or at least partly). They would do this by obtaining a lease or temporary rights to natural resources in places they are deployed. Obviously there would need to be some kind of oversight. We can’t have the military deploying itself to all the resource rich places in the world just to cash in. But it seems to me when America is doing police type actions all over the place, someone else should be helping to pay for that. We could do something like this: Allow the military to seek out it’s own funding to equal the value of the fuel and ordnance consumed, but no more. And they would not be allowed to take resources from region A to compensate for expenditures in region B.

So would they take if not granted rights to resources, kind of like the armies of the past used to do? Just take whatever the army needs, even if they don't have any rights to it?

105 posted on 09/30/2007 12:28:23 PM PDT by keepitreal
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To: dirtboy
Well of course, lets continue fighting the good fight, surrender our borders and sovereignty, invite our enemies in, put them on TaVa, give um a forum...Government still allows us stomp our feet and protest, just as long as we don't get too angry. We should thank them, and show our gratitude by electing the same people that have lived off our tax dollars all their lives. These people have grown old and gray being career government employees. Look how America has benefited under their leadership!

Who cares if everything in the private sector is downsized or shipped over to Wescrewutoo China, while flooding our own country with tens of millions with 3rd grade educations, that are so happy making 7 bucks an hour they get drunk every night.

Here, have some of this lovely wild shrimp with a Thorazine-Horseradish cocktail sauce

Oh, what a great, laser guided, knuckle busting cutting edge response!

106 posted on 09/30/2007 12:34:04 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Captain Kirk
Hey....if you want to elect Hillary, choose a pro-war Republican in 2008. If you want to defeat her (and avoid repeating the 2006 debacle), run an antiwar Republican and checkmate her. A vote for one of Ron Paul’s opponents is a vote for Hillary. Simple as that.

Dude...you need to step away from the bong for a while.

107 posted on 09/30/2007 12:35:39 PM PDT by Allegra (The Surge Works While the Democrats "Betray Us.")
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To: dragnet2

You and most Paulites don’t deserve any more of a response. Later.


108 posted on 09/30/2007 12:43:18 PM PDT by dirtboy (Ron Paul - shrimp pimp rock schlockster surrender crustacean)
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To: EternalVigilance; traviskicks
A lot of good your socialist programs are going to do you if you're dead at the hands of terrorists, lady.

She has a better chance of getting hit by lightening...and a much better chance of dying in an automobile accident.

109 posted on 09/30/2007 12:51:26 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: keepitreal

What you are referring to is room and board, I think. That is what militaries did in the past. That’s hardly a need of american military. Today’s military needs fuel and ammo. How many private citizens own raw materials to produce fuel and ammo? No, private citizens would not suffer from my idea.


110 posted on 09/30/2007 12:55:59 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: MNJohnnie

More then 900 articles and speechs by Ron Paul


Do your own research and answer your own questions by going to

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/index.php

Taxes, Spending, and Debt are the Real Issues

October 16, 2006

In Washington we hear a lot of talk about tax cuts, but the rhetoric does not always match the reality. For most Americans, taxes remain too complex and too high. After the tumult of the upcoming midterm election, it is imperative that Congress gets back to basics and addresses our terrible tax system.

Lower taxes benefit all Americans by increasing economic growth and encouraging wealth creation. I’m in favor of cutting everybody’s taxes – rich, poor, and otherwise. Whether a tax cut reduces a single mother’s payroll taxes by forty dollars a month, or allows a business owner to save thousands in capital gains and hire more employees, the net effect is beneficial. Both either spend, save, or invest the extra dollars, which helps all of us more than if those dollars were sent to the black hole known as the federal Treasury.

Many conservatives have touted the Fair Tax proposal as an issue in the upcoming election. A pure consumption tax like the Fair Tax would be better than the current system only if we truly did away with the income tax by repealing the 16th amendment. Otherwise, we could end up with both the income tax and a national sales tax. A consumption tax also provides more transparency and less complexity. But the real issue is total spending by government, not tax reform. In other words, why change the tax structure if spending stays the same? Once we accept that the federal government needs $2.7 trillion from us— and more each year— the only question left is from whom it will be collected. Until the federal government is held to its proper constitutionally limited functions, tax reform will remain a mirage.

I apply a very simple test to any proposal to overhaul the tax code: Does it reduce or eliminate an existing tax? If not, then it amounts to nothing more than a political shell game that pits taxpayers against each other in a lobbying scramble to make sure the other guy pays. True tax reform is as simple as cutting or eliminating taxes. No studies, panels, committees, or hearings are needed. When reform proposals seem complicated, they almost certainly don’t cut taxes. Congress should simply focus on cutting existing taxes and reducing spending, instead of complicated overhauls of the system.

The question to ask yourself is this: What would I do with the money withheld from my paycheck each month? The answer is simple: you would spend, save, or invest the money, all of which do more for the economy and society than sending it to Washington. Thanks to the deception of income tax withholding, however, some people actually look forward to tax time and a much-anticipated refund. Imagine how quickly Americans would demand lower taxes and spending if they had to write the federal government a check each month!

Tax relief is important, but members of Congress need to back up tax cuts with spending cuts- and they need to vote NO on every wasteful appropriations bill until we start over with the federal budget. True fiscal conservatism combines both low taxes and low spending.

Cutting spending would not be hard if Congress simply showed the political will to tackle the problem. I’m not talking about cutting the rate at which government spending grows, but cutting the actual amount of money spent by the federal government in a single year.

If federal spending grows at 5% rather than 7% one year, that’s hardly a great achievement on the part of Congress. The current federal budget of around $2.7 trillion could be cut to $2.5 trillion quite easily. The vast majority of Americans would not even notice. But we must begin chipping away at the federal budget if we hope to address the underlying problem of government debt.

Ron Paul

Then go to https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/ to help spread Rons message of freedom.


111 posted on 09/30/2007 1:02:33 PM PDT by KDD (A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Muslims would be banned from immigrating here.

Provide a direct link to Ron Paul unequivocally stating this.

112 posted on 09/30/2007 1:02:43 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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To: SandRat

Wow, Dr. Zoidberg is pissed! Does he even get to vote for President?


113 posted on 09/30/2007 1:06:59 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: dirtboy
He's against the Iraq War, is full of talk but his actions either aren't there or are hypocritical, such as his shrimp earmarks.

Just how much money was given to Ron Paul's shrimp earmarks (that he voted against, BTW)?

i'll wait for your answer...

114 posted on 09/30/2007 1:08:11 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: SandRat

Glad to see such an intelligent discussion of the issues from you. /S


115 posted on 09/30/2007 1:12:06 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (If you agree with Democrats you agree with America's enemies.)
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To: Repeal 16-17
Only the “Exoskeleton Shell Backs.”
116 posted on 09/30/2007 1:15:03 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: dirtboy; Extremely Extreme Extremist
Yep, the 9-11 terrorists are all dead, that is true.

Never mind that they took 3,000 Americans with them.

What has that to do with Ron Paul? Last i checked, George W. Bush was the President when that Happened.

117 posted on 09/30/2007 1:15:51 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: Eagle Eye

The minute that Dr Paul went off reservation and turned Kucinich like he was done in my book. No matter how reasonable any of his other thoughts may sound, that was the turning point. Many at work were in fact considering Dr. Paul until he went Kucinich on the war.


118 posted on 09/30/2007 1:21:09 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: dragnet2

“I think we need more taxes to help pay for their retirement pensions and their life styles. We need more government and more control?”

Alright, Sgt. Friday...step away from the Jack Daniels! LOL


119 posted on 09/30/2007 1:25:53 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Provide a direct link to Ron Paul unequivocally stating this.

SANE AND SENSIBLE IMMIGRATION POLICIES AFTER SEPTEMBER 11

Paul supports real immigration reform and border security.

120 posted on 09/30/2007 1:39:04 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Congratulations Brett Favre! NFL's all-time touchdown leader)
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