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Muslim checkout staff get an alcohol opt-out clause
Times Online ^ | Daniel Foggo and Christopher Thompson

Posted on 09/30/2007 7:06:50 PM PDT by Lorianne

MUSLIM supermarket checkout staff who refuse to sell alcohol are being allowed to opt out of handling customers’ bottles and cans of drink.

Islamic workers at Sainsbury’s who object to alcohol on religious grounds are told to raise their hands when encountering any drink at their till so that a colleague can temporarily take their place or scan items for them.

Other staff have refused to work stacking shelves with wine, beer and spirits and have been found alternative roles in the company.

Sainsbury’s said this weekend it was keen to accommodate the religious beliefs of all staff but some Islamic scholars condemned the practice, saying Muslims who refused to sell alcohol were reneging on their agreements with the store.

Islam states that Muslims should not consume alcohol, but opinion is divided on whether it is permissible to be involved in the sale of it.

Mustapha, a Muslim checkout worker at the company’s store in Swiss Cottage, northwest London, interrupts his work to ensure that he does not have to sell or handle alcohol.

Each time a bottle or can of alcohol comes along the conveyor belt in front of him, Mustapha either swaps places discreetly with a neighbouring attendant or raises his hand so that another member of staff can come over and pass the offending items in front of the scanner before he resumes work.

Some of the staff delegated to handle the drink for Mustapha are themselves obviously Muslim, including women in hijab head coverings. However, a staff member at the store told a reporter that two other employees had asked to be given alternative duties after objecting to stacking drinks shelves.

Mustapha told one customer: “I can’t sell the alcohol because of my religion. It is Ramadan at the moment.”

His customers did not appear to have any objection to his polite refusal to work with alcohol. One said: “I have no issues with it at all, it really doesn’t bother me.”

However, some senior Muslims were less approving.

Ghayasuddin Siddiqui, director of the Muslim Institute and leader of the Muslim parliament, said: “This is some kind of overenthusiasm. One expects professional behaviour from people working in a professional capacity and this shows a lack of maturity.

“Sainsbury’s is being very good, they are trying to accommodate the wishes of their employees and we commend that. The fault lies with the employee who is exploiting and misusing their goodwill. It makes no difference if it is only happening over Ramadan.”

Ibrahim Mogra, chairman of the inter-faith committee of the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), said: “Muslim employees should look at the allowances within Muslim law to enable them to be better operating employees and not be seen as rather difficult to cater for.”

A spokeswoman for Sainsbury’s, confirming Mustapha’s stance, said: “At the application stage we ask the relevant questions regarding any issues about handling different products and where we can we will try and accommodate any requirements people have, but it depends on the needs of the particular store.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: appeasement; dhimmitude; enemywithin; infiltration
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1 posted on 09/30/2007 7:06:54 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
Sometimes I have this funny idea that these Muslims who raise objections in stories like this don't really care that much about the "proscription against alcohol" or pigs or uncovered women or whatever it is they're demanding special treatment over.

They're just testing, and they laugh about it later when it succeeds.

Okay, that's probably not true. But in a way it would be funny if it were. :)

2 posted on 09/30/2007 7:09:24 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Lorianne

How about the nice big pork chops and ham?


3 posted on 09/30/2007 7:09:38 PM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: Lorianne

LOL! Everyone run out to Sainsburys and buy pork loin, bacon, baby back ribs and a case of beer! Watch the place dissolve in chaos.


4 posted on 09/30/2007 7:10:07 PM PDT by saganite
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To: Lorianne
I suppose that the pharmacy workers do not have to dispense birth control pills? Oh, wait...
5 posted on 09/30/2007 7:10:19 PM PDT by bill1952 (The 10 most important words for change: "If it is to be, it is up to me")
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To: Lorianne

Yet Christian pharmacists are forced to dispense abortion and birth control medicines. We must not let this infestation take root in this country like it has in Europe.


6 posted on 09/30/2007 7:10:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791)
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To: Dr. Frank fan; TigersEye
They're just testing, and they laugh about it later when it succeeds.

I think you are on to something & I agree with you.

7 posted on 09/30/2007 7:12:10 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: Lorianne

The UK is so far down the road of cultural appeasement that I’m starting to doubt if even the pubs will be open in ten years.


8 posted on 09/30/2007 7:12:39 PM PDT by mojito
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To: Lorianne

I wonder what would be the store’s reaction if their Baptist employees refused to handle alcoholic beverages on religious grounds?


9 posted on 09/30/2007 7:13:54 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: bill1952
I suppose that the pharmacy workers do not have to dispense birth control pills

or cough/ cold medication containing the evil alcohol.

10 posted on 09/30/2007 7:15:34 PM PDT by A message
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To: Lorianne

I don’t drink. Haven’t for 10 years. But, if this happened to me, 1) Mustapha would check out my legal product, 2) Mustapha would lose his job, or, 3) Sainsbury’s would lose my business.


11 posted on 09/30/2007 7:15:37 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Man, that's stupid...even by congressional standards.)
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To: Lorianne
OK, this is getting old. The Koran teaches that you can’t consume alcohol (of the vine or of the seed) or pork. This doesn’t mean you can’t be around it, handle it or whatever. They are just using this to take small areas of control and make people bend to their will.
12 posted on 09/30/2007 7:16:00 PM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul earmarked $13million to the NAU highway after he said he was against it.)
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To: RobinOfKingston

Then you put your bags in Achmed’s cab and he gets all verklempt about the booze and pigcicles and boots you out of that cab. Call the cab company and sent his ass packing for Pakistan, Dubai, Iran or wtf ever.


13 posted on 09/30/2007 7:22:40 PM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Yet Christian pharmacists are forced to dispense abortion and birth control medicines."

Really good point.

14 posted on 09/30/2007 7:24:36 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Lorianne

Simply fire their a$$, we have plenty of people to work.


15 posted on 09/30/2007 7:29:54 PM PDT by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: Lorianne

can someone more enlightened than i am please explain to me the difference between a muslim who refuses to touch aluminum or glass because the contents inside contain alcohol, versus a (christian) physician or pharmacist who refuses to provide or fill a prescription for birth control or abortion ‘day-after’ pills on religious grounds ?

furthermore, what does the law say regarding this issue in the UK ? can a physician or pharmacist refuse to sell birth control or abortion pills on religious grounds ?

i’m completely ignorant on this topic with regards to the law...but i seem to remember reading somewhere that doctors and pharmacists in the United States were required by law to prescribe or fill all requests for birth control/abortion pills etc ? or do they just face sanctions from their professional associations if they do so ?

maybe grocers need professional associations.

more islamic nonsense, at any rate.


16 posted on 09/30/2007 7:30:27 PM PDT by malamute
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To: Lorianne
"Islamic workers at Sainsbury’s who object to alcohol on religious grounds are told to raise their hands when encountering any drink at their till so that their earstwhile customer can drop his or her bags and walk out before a colleague dhimi can temporarily take their place or run over and cover for management's cowardice by scanning items for them.

Too messy:

Raise your hands when you check my Jack Daniels through and I'll simply walk away from the cart and the store.

17 posted on 09/30/2007 7:34:32 PM PDT by norton
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To: Lorianne

NHS staff told to eat away from desks for Ramadan

http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh.cfm?id=1275192007

Bakery installs a Muslims-only toilet, despite the fact that no Muslims work there

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1902241/posts


18 posted on 09/30/2007 7:35:12 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: Dr. Frank fan

Someone should infiltrate the local mosque and see if they compare notes.

“Guess what concession I got the infidels to make this week!”


19 posted on 09/30/2007 7:37:09 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Lorianne

Islamic workers at Sainsbury’s who object to alcohol on religious grounds are told to raise their hands when encountering any drink at their till so that a colleague can temporarily take their place or scan items for them.

So easy, the minute he raised his hand I would walk out, leaving everything exactly where it was.


20 posted on 09/30/2007 7:38:40 PM PDT by sheana
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nobody is FORCED to do anything . If those things bother you then DO NOT TAKE THAT TYPE OF JOB. That make sense but i guess asking the world to make sense is asking way way way too much.


21 posted on 09/30/2007 7:41:30 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: saganite; Issaquahking; Cagey; Froufrou; RockinRight; Hoodlum91

My sentiments exactly. I was thinking along the line of denial of service. Everyone should go in there at once and buy one can of beer. Go back and get wine. The entire place would dissolve into chaos of their own making. What a hoot!


22 posted on 09/30/2007 7:42:59 PM PDT by PinkDolphin (Accomplishments become realities one step at a time.)
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To: Dr. Frank fan

I believe it is true.


23 posted on 09/30/2007 7:43:33 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: PLMerite

I’ve been saying that the Muzzies have been laughing at our collective stupidity for years now. More of them have come here since 9/11 than any time before . That alone has to make them laugh at us.


24 posted on 09/30/2007 7:44:22 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: Lorianne
Islamic workers at Sainsbury’s who object to alcohol on religious grounds are told to raise their hands when encountering any drink at their till

So it's okay to insult the customer? The employee is more important than the consumer? Screw that! Let's see how business goes with bigoted employees and no customers.

25 posted on 09/30/2007 7:46:03 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (I get enough exercise just pushing my luck)
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To: mojito
The UK is so far down the road of cultural appeasement that I’m starting to doubt if even the pubs will be open in ten years.

Try reading G.K. Chesterton's The Flying Inn, first published in 1914, for more on this.

Cheers!

26 posted on 09/30/2007 7:46:31 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“We must not let this infestation take root in this country like it has in Europe.”

It’s already started with Muslim employees of Target stores refusing to handle pork products.

http://www.buzz.mn/?q=node/898

Plus cab drivers refusing to carry passengers who have alcohol, and refusing passengers with seeing eye dogs. Some of these have been accommodated, and we also have the installation of foot baths at various public places.


27 posted on 09/30/2007 7:46:46 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

They have told us in no uncertain terms that the plan is to infiltrate us and make Islam dominate th eworld. I cant see why most people don’t see the obvious. They are spitting in our faces and in the name of being politically correct we go along with it.


28 posted on 09/30/2007 7:48:30 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: mnehrling
They are just using this to take small areas of control and make people bend to their will.

Bingo! I tell anyone who will listen to be on the lookout for this crap.

Creeping, incremental sharia.

If it isn't the demoncrats/liberals/progressives taking away freedoms, we always have TROP®! God help us . . .
29 posted on 09/30/2007 7:52:54 PM PDT by Brizick (Repeal the 17th Amendment)
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To: Lorianne

Reminds me of our Lancaster Amish who can, for instance, run a wheeless weedwacker, but not a wheeled pushmower.


30 posted on 09/30/2007 7:54:06 PM PDT by flowerplough (Not a sociopath, merely a delusional narcissist.)
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To: sonic109
After the next big attack (especially if it’s biological, chemical or nuclear/dirty bomb) I predict that many will rise up and take vigilante action into their own hands. It will not be pretty. I was amazed after 9/11 that the American people didn’t run rampant. I don’t think that our patience extends to cities being destroyed.
31 posted on 09/30/2007 7:54:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791)
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To: Will88

foot baths = pork rind storage bins.


32 posted on 09/30/2007 7:55:27 PM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: flowerplough

yea, except the Amish keep to themselves and are not trying to take over the world.


33 posted on 09/30/2007 7:55:33 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: Dr. Frank fan

IMO, events like these allow radicals in the Islamic community to make inferences regarding how deeply the British believe in their own values.

When Islamic radicals see appeasement, special treatment and backpedaling every time a moderate Muslim asserts his or her identity, they might — rightly IMO — conclude that the British don’t believe in their own values enough to stand up for them.


34 posted on 09/30/2007 7:58:03 PM PDT by Mr J (All IMHO.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wish I could agree with you buddy. The next attack will be blamed on Bush , the Republicans and America in general.If it happens before the 08 elections it will be said it was an attack planned by America on itself to ensure Republican victory.The Muzzies will cry out that we racist are going after them . They will have the ACLU , Columbia University , Code Pink types protecting them to the bitter end.Even another attack won’t wake up most people to the fact that we are at war and our survival is at stake.


35 posted on 09/30/2007 8:00:27 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: sonic109

Touche, Mr. Mackey, touche.


36 posted on 09/30/2007 8:02:53 PM PDT by flowerplough (Not a sociopath, merely a delusional narcissist.)
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To: mojito

If your right, and it doesn’t change; I doubt the UK will even be around in ten years.


37 posted on 09/30/2007 8:11:23 PM PDT by Lancer_N3502A
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To: Lorianne
Let’s see:

The Hindu employees might be offended by all the beef in the store.

The Jews - the pork.

The Buddhists might be offended by ALL the meat in the store.

The Christians might refuse to sell the “pornographic” magazines & CDs on the shelves.

The muzzies - they’re probably offended by ALL of it.

So, why would you choose to work in a place that offends you so much? Or shop there? Or even pass near there, knowing the disgusting & forbidden things within?

And how is a manager to manage such nonsense?

Sainsbury’s needs to understand the phrase “slippery slope”.

38 posted on 09/30/2007 8:16:26 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Lancer_N3502A
In my opinion this is very poor public relations. They seem to put the phobia of these nuts over the interest and good will to their customers. I do not buy booze or beer, but would find another place to shop.
39 posted on 09/30/2007 8:24:19 PM PDT by CHEE (OK, so what's the speed of dark? - Larry the Cable Guy)
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To: sonic109

The ACLU, Columbia University, Code Pink types, etc. are going to act as human shields for the terrorists and their enablers? I doubt that. There aren’t that many Rachel Corrie’s out there, I don’t think. http://www.rachelcorrie.org


40 posted on 09/30/2007 8:27:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791)
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To: Lorianne
Vanilla extract used for flavoring multitudes of food items contains 35% alcohol per gallon.

Looks like the muzzie checker-outers have to stop handling the twinkies and cinammon buns, also.

Leni

41 posted on 09/30/2007 8:35:23 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Three Cheers For the FRed, White and Blue !)
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To: sheana
So easy, the minute he raised his hand I would walk out, leaving everything exactly where it was.

Not me! After my items were all rung up and bagged I would ask the second clerk what was wrong--do I smell, is my breath bad, etc. Then I would say, "if you are going to employ people that will not handle certain legal items I guess I will do my shopping somewhere else while you cater to the people who think they are special employees." Then walk out.

42 posted on 09/30/2007 8:36:09 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: Lorianne

More PC stupidity.

Why can’t these liberal idiots at least read a koran before they cave into Islamic demands?

There is no religious reason that a muzzie can’t handle booze.
They just aren’t supposed to DRINK it, and even then you’d never know it by the number of muzzies you see in strip joints oogling western strippers.


43 posted on 09/30/2007 8:39:12 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: mojito
"The UK is so far down the road of cultural appeasement that I’m starting to doubt if even the pubs will be open in ten years."

The UK is so far down the road of Islamization, I doubt it will still be called the UK in ten years. They've pc'd themselves into History's trash bin. I just hope all the nukes are destroyed before total collapse into sharia law happens.

And we all thought France had it bad...

44 posted on 09/30/2007 8:46:18 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: PLMerite
“Guess what concession I got the infidels to make this week!”

Guess what FRiend - this is already going on now.

Recently here in Southeast Asia I I ran across a "recruitment session" being conducted by members of Hizb ut-Tahrir who used laminated copies of newspaper articles on the "progress" in the United States and Europe.

The whole thing seemed out of the twilight zone - the members were showing a laminated copy of article that about prayer rooms being constructed in a question and answer session - the members were telling people that the accommodations were being constructed at the direction of the US government who is coming to accept Islam as the true belief.

Complete details on this are going to be posted soon.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

45 posted on 09/30/2007 8:49:44 PM PDT by expatguy (Support Conservative Blogging - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: sonic109
"They have told us in no uncertain terms that the plan is to infiltrate us and make Islam dominate th eworld. I cant see why most people don’t see the obvious. They are spitting in our faces and in the name of being politically correct we go along with it."

I get the feeling that media and governemnt support it. That way they can have communist like control without getting their hands dirty, the mullah mafia will do all the dirty work keeping people in line.

46 posted on 09/30/2007 8:55:10 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"After the next big attack (especially if it’s biological, chemical or nuclear/dirty bomb) I predict that many will rise up and take vigilante action into their own hands. It will not be pretty."

I seriously doubt it. There may be s few isolated incidents near the attack area, but that will be quickly stomped out by the police state. Those in other cities will continue on with the "well it didn't affect ME, so..." and go on with their everyday lives. Moonbats will blame it on Bush, or whoever is in the WH.

47 posted on 09/30/2007 9:01:44 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: norton

Raise your hands when you check my Jack Daniels through and I’ll simply walk away from the cart and the store.

This would be my solution as well. Make sure the cart and the conveyor are fully loaded - then walk away. This happens a few too many times, the store starts losing money and changes will take place.


48 posted on 09/30/2007 9:31:26 PM PDT by Paisan
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To: pandoraou812

I don’t really have a problem with this. I won’t buy anything from a store where a Muslim works.


49 posted on 09/30/2007 9:39:40 PM PDT by TigersEye (Don't taze me, Bro!)
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To: Lorianne

So they are against alcohol, yet get a paycheck from a company which profits from the sale of alcohol?


50 posted on 09/30/2007 9:42:09 PM PDT by LukeL
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