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Lowly snakes win out against N.J. developers
Newsday ^ | September 30, 2007

Posted on 09/30/2007 11:18:33 PM PDT by yorkie

They're common in other parts of the country. But in New Jersey, the lowly corn snake and northern pine snake are rare enough to get state protection, and the ability to halt development projects in an already crowded state.

The mere sight of the snakes _ common elsewhere in the country, and even kept as pets _ spurs government bureaucracy into action when it involves a piece of Garden State land slated for development.

The sighting of three corn snakes caused enough additional requirements from the New Jersey Pinelands Commission that Bob Meyer recently gave up plans to develop a 110-home project in Medford.

"I think sometimes we create laws and follow the letter of it, and the bigger picture is forgotten," Meyer told The Philadelphia Inquirer for Sunday newspapers.

But Carleton Montgomery, an advocate for preservation of New Jersey's Pinelands, defended the state standards.

"These snakes are part of the ecosystem and they're a predator in the life of the Pine Barrens," Montgomery said. "If you say, 'Well, there's a healthy population of them in Georgia _ let's get rid of them here,' you'd be removing one of the key pieces of the puzzle in our ecosystem."

(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: brokedevelopers; endangered; snakes

1 posted on 09/30/2007 11:18:37 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: yorkie; All

To expand on someone’s clever acronym, BANANAS — Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Any Snake.


2 posted on 09/30/2007 11:25:02 PM PDT by dighton
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To: dighton

;-)


3 posted on 09/30/2007 11:30:59 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: yorkie
In NJ, the snake's fate is directly related to the migration of another entity, the "Greenback Franklin". When enough of them find their way into the right hands, the snake will be a footnote in history.
4 posted on 10/01/2007 2:05:21 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: yorkie

Shoot,
Shovel,
Shut Up.


5 posted on 10/01/2007 2:28:46 AM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: yorkie

Lowly snakes win out against N.J. developers...

thought this was a piece about NJ lib/dem politicians and their lobbyists!!!


6 posted on 10/01/2007 3:18:02 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: yorkie

The only good snake is a dead one.


7 posted on 10/01/2007 3:55:58 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: yorkie

How can you tell the difference?


8 posted on 10/01/2007 4:06:39 AM PDT by sauropod (You canít spell crap without the AP in it.)
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To: yorkie

Why is this even an issue? I thought that all sane developers had stopped work because they can’t sell the houses they build anyway.


9 posted on 10/01/2007 4:20:08 AM PDT by Fairview ( Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.)
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To: yorkie
the lowly corn snake and northern pine snake are rare enough to get state protection,

and the other snake, the politico, where you can keep your multi unearned pensions for no show jobs after being convicted of fraud,blackmail,kickbacks,and other schemes

10 posted on 10/01/2007 4:54:35 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: Issaquahking; Cagey; MotleyGirl70

Oh for goodness sake, build the damn thing, Georgia will send you more corn snakes!!!!!


11 posted on 10/01/2007 5:14:33 AM PDT by PinkDolphin (Accomplishments become realities one step at a time.)
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To: yorkie

Who in their right mind would want to build anything in new jerky?Save the battleship new Jersey by towing it south and let them have that liberal cesspool.


12 posted on 10/01/2007 5:31:51 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Caipirabob

Whaaa? Are youse sayin dat dere is some sorta funny binnis goin on in Joisey. Da gud peeple of dis State are offended!

FUHGEDDABOUDIT!!!!


13 posted on 10/01/2007 5:32:13 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: PinkDolphin; Calpernia

The real reason this project isn’t happening is because someone wasn’t greased.


14 posted on 10/01/2007 5:37:06 AM PDT by Cagey (Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after.......Thoreau)
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For snakes? That's insane....snakes are evil....the devil.....they should be eradicated. Anyone who owns a snake should be eradicated....along with some developers but that's a different story. :)

hold your flames....it's all tongue in cheek.

15 posted on 10/01/2007 5:44:15 AM PDT by Fawn (http://www.brightlion.com/InHope/InHope_en.aspx)
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To: Hydroshock

You can shut up, but God is watching.... and hopefully taking notes.


16 posted on 10/01/2007 5:45:44 AM PDT by Fawn (http://www.brightlion.com/InHope/InHope_en.aspx)
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To: Cagey

The good thing is, since it appears my home is within the mapping of a transit village....I’ll just release a few corn snakes into my yard so we don’t get eminent domained :)


17 posted on 10/01/2007 5:46:12 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Hydroshock
Shoot,
Shovel,
Shut Up.

Absolutely! The environmental wackos obviously didn’t know these snakes were there when the building started so who actually tells the higher ups when all these critters are discovered? I’ve often wondered about this.

18 posted on 10/01/2007 5:48:41 AM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: Hydroshock
Shoot,
Shovel,
Shut Up.

Naw take the old pickup to Georgia and get about a hundred or so take them there and drop them off at the houses owned by the whacko”s Or the governors mansion. Just think of the fun.

19 posted on 10/01/2007 5:57:16 AM PDT by mouser (run the rats out its the only hope we have)
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To: yorkie

How many independent, middle-class voters identify land-use regulations as a reason they can’t afford to own a home? Republicans are not doing well with independents, and they need to make this connection and then make this an issue.


20 posted on 10/01/2007 5:57:48 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: yorkie

Politicians just protecting their fellow snakes.


21 posted on 10/01/2007 6:02:30 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: yorkie; Caipirabob

Anything that can be done to stop the irresponsible developement going on in this state, I’m all for. The infrastructure and economic makeup of the state cannot support the unrestrained developement. There are not new jobs being created in the developing areas, except for retail, which means that the primary breadwinner has to commute on highways that were overburdoned in the seventies. The developers come in and, with minimal cost, raise the tax liability (in excess of the increase of the tax base) of the community, the cost of which is passed on to existing homeowners. The developer walks away without paying anything near his fair share for the cost of additional classrooms, highway widening and municiple (county and state) services. Impact fees that would cover this are legal, but the political structure in NJ is such that the crooks that run it are wont to pass such laws, as it would effect their “campaign” contributions (both above and below the table).

“But the developers provide jobs.” is a lame justification of the developement. Several of the larger (ie:national and regional) developers promote the establishment of shadow companies that act as subcontractors. Entire carpenter crews are made up of Eastern Europeans and drywall crews made up of Mexicans (legal, illegal? I don’t know) and most of their money leaves the country. There are also a handfull of smaller local developers who will hire small subcontractors, finish a developement, file bankruptcy, pay subs pennies on the dollar, start a new corporation and start the cycle all over again. (most of these are politically connected).

With a population density higher than anywhere else in the country, the idea of allowing the state economy based on housing contruction (they’re not making more land), retail or even warehouses is ridiculous. These are all large land use and offer low volumes of employment. If you want to build a refinary, a steel mill or a factory of any kind, I’m all for it. If you want to bulldoze Camden and rebuild it, feel free.

One more arguement against developement:
WE DON”T NEED ANY MORE LIBERALS FROM PHILLY OR NEW YORK MOVING IN. WE HAVE ENOUGH CROOKS ALREADY.

To:Caipirabob

I’ve lived in New Jersey all my life and have yet to meet any native who spoke with a Brooklyn or Bronx accent. They call it Joisey, we don’t.


22 posted on 10/01/2007 10:19:15 AM PDT by Free_SJersey (THE GOVERNMENT THAT GOVERNS LEAST, GOVERNS BEST.)
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To: yorkie
Mixed feelings.

On the one hand, the ESA has been an affront to the sensible use of private property.

On the other, I am happy, because the Pine Barrens is one of the fews areas in NJ that is not overdeveloped.

23 posted on 10/01/2007 10:23:49 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Free_SJersey
Only place where folks speak with an outer borough accent consistently is/was Hoboken.

Folks from "Nork" like my dad have a similar accent, though not identical. Even my grandparents from Jersey Sh-tty didn't "tawk like dis."

24 posted on 10/01/2007 10:30:12 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Free_SJersey
If you want to build a refinary, a steel mill or a factory of any kind, I’m all for it.

Not gonna happen:

1. Land is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE. There is a good reason why most factories are in the South or the lower midwest these days.

2. NOBODY wants to live next to a factory.

25 posted on 10/01/2007 10:32:38 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: yorkie
3 CORN snakes? They are extremely common. They are apparently holding up the construction because Mother Nature exists now.

I've had corn snakes as pets... they are extrememly gentle and good-natured, as well as attractively colored and marked. My parents finally broke down and allowed me to get my first one because its reputation with children was so good.

I was bitten ONCE, and it was my fault... he wasn't going after his food when I thought he should, and put my hand in the cage to try to remedy the "problem". The bite didn't hurt, but the speed was scary for my 12 year old mind. It barely broke the skin. I had a row of timy red dots on my thumb for about 2 days. The dang parakeet gave me far worse.

(I was actually tempted a few months ago at a pet store to get another one.)

26 posted on 10/01/2007 11:54:13 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Cagey

Really?? oh wait...NJ....(nodding head) Why do youse guys put up with this??????


27 posted on 10/02/2007 2:12:12 AM PDT by PinkDolphin (Accomplishments become realities one step at a time.)
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