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Not the Howie Carr Show live thread week of Oct 1-5, 2007 ^ | 10/1/07 | raccoonradio

Posted on 10/01/2007 6:04:04 AM PDT by raccoonradio

Not the Howie Carr Show live thread for the week of Oct 1. This was supposed to originally be the day Howie was to debut on WTKK. As the Sept 19 deadline got closer there was speculation he'd debut on 96.9 on Sept 20 but a judge's ruling has delayed it. A judge ruled that while a non-compete clause was not valid, a "right to match" was. Now while Entercom claims they have the rights to Howie for the next 5 years, Howie was been sitting it out, refusing to report for work. Listeners have been getting Todd Feinburg. It's NOT the Howie Carr Show, despite what WRKO tells you.

Appeals are in motion and a meeting between the various parties is expected on Oct 15.

Howie's Sunday Herald column below.

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1 posted on 10/01/2007 6:04:09 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Andonius_99; Andy'smom; Antique Gal; Big Guy and Rusty 99; bitt; Barset; Carolinamom; Cheapskate; ..

Not the Howie Carr Show live ping; Howie column from
yesterday to follow.

2 posted on 10/01/2007 6:05:04 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio; All

Howie’s column from yesterday

You Just Can’t Make Up Stuff like This
by Howie Carr/ Boston Herald

So here is Billy Bulger describing me:

“He’s just so evil. All kinds of things - he just makes it up.”

Makes it up, you say? Name me one thing about you that I “made up,” Mr. Corrupt Midget. Go ahead, what did I make up?

Whitey Bulger’s little brother is featured in a long profile in Boston magazine by Joe Keohane. I had to read the whole thing since I’m a recurring presence, like a snake at the garden party, or herpes. Apparently the CM doesnt like me very much, but at least he remembers my name.

“The name comes up often with Bulger, and when it does, he doesn’t speak it so much as cough it up; occasionally, he swaps in ‘the savage,’ and, better, ‘that excrescence.’ ”

Which is a Latinate word for, well, let’s just say its root is “excrete.” I picked that up from my “top-shelf education,” which according to the story I share with the CM, along with “humble beginnings.”

“And just for the record, we are both immensely intelligent.”

The writer says, “They could be brothers themselves.”

Maybe - if I had a brother who was 18 years older and 7 inches shorter than I am. But I will cop to once being mistaken for the CM’s son. It was at a federal pension-fraud trial of a Kevin White ward boss from Southie. One morning Mrs. Ward Boss comes up with a big smile and says to me, “Oh, I can tell who you are just by looking at you. It was so nice of the Senate president to send one of his sons. Which one -”

At which point her son grabbed her and said, “Ma, that ain’t no Bulger, that’s Howie Carr.”

Did I mention, Billy also calls me a “lying son of a gun”?

Eat your heart out, Alan Dershowitz. He hates me more now than he hates you. I think he loathes me even more than he does Mitt Romney.

He says I make things up, but he told one whopper I can personally call him on. He said he’s never spoken to me. In 2003, I personally asked him down in Washington: Who’d paid for his entourage to fly down for the Congressional hearing? (He walked away in silence.) I also pointed out to the magazine that once, at the State House, I tracked him down with my TV crew at a party for a little book about State House recipes.

The Corrupt Midget is sopredictable, I knew he’d come up with some lame joke if I asked him what his favorite recipe was, and that I could easily top him. So I waited until he was backed up against a column, surrounded by payroll patriots. Then I advanced on him with my cameraman and asked him what his favorite recipe was.

“Roast reporter,” he riposted, as his pantrymen guffawed.

“Really?” I said. “I would have thought it would be strawberry SHORTcake.”

The laughter ceased, Billy slithered around the column to flee, and his last words to me were: “Observe my back.”

Another little fib: He says he “enjoyed it all?” Does that include the last grand jury, Mr. CM? Or 75 State Street? Or that Congressional hearing in 2003?

The great thing about covering the Bulgers is that you don’t have to make anything up. When I was writing my book, I read his. In it he included a heartwarming anecdote about defending future Senate President Tom Birmingham’s father after the old man was accused of improperly OK’ing welfare benefits to the family of an imprisoned con named Suitcase Fidler.

A few months later, I’m reading the confession of Johnny Martorano, a Winter Hill hitman. And under oath, Martorano says Whitey Bulger lured a guy named Tommy King to his own murder by telling King that they had to whack a guy named . . . Suitcase Fidler. I draw no conclusions here, I just report the facts. It’s a small world, isn’t it?

Did I make up the story in my book about the farewell dinner at Tecce’s for imprisoned ex-FBI agent Zip Connolly in 1990 - you know, the G-man who’s about to go on trial for murder in Miami? At the farewell dinner, Zip described Billy as “a special, special person. He taught me the value of public service.”

If you got a problem with that quote, Billy, take it up with your brother Jimmy, because those words come right off his videotape of the party, which you basically hosted. Did I make up the quote from Kevin White describing the true source of Billy’s power: “If your brother threatened to kill me, I’d be nothing but nice to you”?

I only have one regret about my years on the Bulger beat. That day at the State House, instead of mentioning strawberry SHORTcake, should I have asked him if his favorite dish was shrimp wrapped in baloney?

3 posted on 10/01/2007 6:06:23 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio
from Tom Taylor's newsletter:
"Howie Carr – I know, it’s been 3-4 days since we last wrote about Howie’s travails – is asking Boston judge Allan van Gestel to re-consider the ruling that’s keeping him from working where he wants to: Greater Media’s WTKK. The Boston Herald says Carr’s legal team filed an emergency motion for reconsideration of his ruling that Entercom’s WRKO has a valid claim on Carr’s services, based on the “right to match” provision in his expiring contract.

"Interestingly – Entercom filed its own emergency motion, seeking to prohibit Greater Media from talking with Carr or his reps, or even making public statements about the sticky situation. Entercom market manager Julie Kahn tells the court there’s “no doubt that Entercom will lose substantial…money” if Carr takes his act to WTKK.

4 posted on 10/01/2007 6:30:18 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

10 years ago: The Jeffrey Curley murder. Had been talked
about a lot on Howie’s show and elsewhere.

5 posted on 10/01/2007 7:08:56 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Andonius_99; Andy'smom; Antique Gal; Big Guy and Rusty 99; bitt; Barset; Carolinamom; Cheapskate; ..
On today's NOT the Howie Carr Show:


1st Hour

2nd Hour
Rudy Giuliani's national strategist Brent Seaborn and Giuliani supporter Cong. Bill Paxon will be in studio to talk about how the campaign is going. Get on board!!!!

3rd Hour
CHUMP LINE! Call 617-779-3469 and leave Howie whoever is filling in for Howie, like Feinburg, Sandy or Happy a message about today\'s stories or anything else buzzing around your bonnet and we may play it back on the air!

4th Hour

6 posted on 10/01/2007 11:39:15 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio
What COULD have been--or someday MAY be (perhaps it IS happening, in an alternate universe). Fake ad by me. In the meantime, stay tuned on HOWIE CARR HELD HOSTAGE: DAY 13

7 posted on 10/01/2007 11:46:01 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

Did I actually hear Todd refer to the Witch as “attractive”?

8 posted on 10/01/2007 9:42:31 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Good Lord...and then we hear Phil Hendrie (late nights,
WTKK) saying that maybe Prez Hillary might not be so
bad after all (this along with “I am a Democrat but I
voted for Bush in ‘04 and would do so again”)

9 posted on 10/02/2007 12:33:44 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio; All

Deval going to eliminate the Mass Pike? Well, not the
road itself, but the agency. Don’t worry, the hacks
will find a safe place to land.

From today’s Herald:

Gov. Deval Patrick is eyeing a series of dramatic reforms that would abolish the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority and centralize power in a single agency in charge of all transportation services, including those operated by the MBTA, the Herald has learned.

Patrick administration officials confirmed details of the sweeping re-organization effort after the Herald obtained an e-mail outlining aspects of the proposals. The changes would fundamentally alter the way the state manages transportation and cut costs by untold millions of dollars.

Administration officials cautioned that options are still being reviewed, but they said the principle reforms could include the elimination of the 55-year-old Massachusetts Turnpike Authority, the dismantling of its board of directors and the creation of a super transportation agency to oversee bridges, roads and MBTA services.

>>A special legislative commission charged with recommending solutions to the deficit has called for an 11.5-cent increase in the gas tax a new 5-cent-per-mile toll system on all 10 interstates.

“Traffic’s backed up at the Burlington tolls on I-95
(aka Rt 128)...”

“...and on I-91 in Springfield...”

“...and on 93 in Woburn...”

“...and on...”

10 posted on 10/02/2007 12:57:09 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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HOWIE CARR COLUMN PING—he may be off air but he’s still in the Herald.

Name change won’t take a toll on these hacks
New name, same hack heaven

by Howie Carr
Boston Herald 10/2/07

I’d prefer that they get rid of the tolls, but since that’s not going to happen, we’ll settle for the “abolition” of the Mass. Turnpike Authority.

Granted, it’ll still be there, not even open under new management, just under a new name. Which means that no matter how you slice it, it’s still baloney.

But I’ll settle for the symbolism. Maybe we can finally lose the Pike’s silly Pilgrim hat logo - it always bugged me even before they removed the Indian, excuse me, American Indian arrow that was shot through it, on the grounds of insufficient Political Correctness.

And since we know the hack toll collectors are going nowhere, if the Pike is officially folded into a larger hackerama, can we at least stop all these legislators’ dim-bulb kinsmen from wearing official “MASSPIKE” polo shirts, as if they’re members of a paramilitary organization, which they are, if the Budweiser division counts.

Who will take over the Pike’s toll collector school, where the unemployable reps’ even more unemployable relatives spend weeks memorizing how many ones you have to return when someone hands you a five, or God forbid, a sawbuck.

Sometimes an agency becomes just too big an embarrassment, even in Massachusetts - think the BPD’s old Tactical Patrol Force, or the late, unlamented Legislative Research Bureau. Remember the old MDC police, or hell, the MDC itself.

Now it has some new initials, but it’s still the same old MDC, and I’m sure this new “super DOT” will be just the local version of Homeland Security.

Still, when you’re raising taxes, big time, some sops must be thrown to the marks.

Whatever, you gotta love the thought of merging the Pike and Mass Highway, and all the rest of ’em. A “broad reorganization,” they call it, including the MBTA and the Steamship Authority. How many members of the Bulger family will be directly affected by this?

Deval’s crew is even talking about stripping the Tobin Bridge from Massport, as if they don’t already skim most of the take from those very reasonable tolls that have gone up, what, 300 percent in the last 10 years?

It’s a long way to the official end of the Mass Turnpike Authority, but I’m already thinking we need a museum of sorts at 10 Park. A historical diorama, like they have at Adventureland at Disney World. Only instead of Mike Fink and the river pirates, we can have the toll booth pirates - lifelike figures with beer breath chanting, “One quarter for the MassPike, one quarter for me.”

I hope the Pike Museum will include a statue of Alan McKinnon, the ex-state senator who was Mike Dukakis’ choice to run the Pike. McKinnon immediately fulfilled a lifelong dream by flying to Oklahoma and going to lunch at Hooters.

We won’t need a statue for McKinnon’s predecessor, ex-state treasurer John Driscoll. He’s already got that building named after him just west of the 128 tolls. You know the place - it sleeps at least 100.

And we’ll need a replica of Fat Matt Amorello’s North End office, the one he never got to use.

What a squalid history - from Foster Furcolo’s father to Fat Matt. There was Jim Aloisi, who was Edgar Bergen to McKinnon’s Charlie McCarthy. Sen. Petrucelli’s electrician father with the $288,000 paycheck. John Vitagliano, who combined a hack job at Massport with a board seat at the Pike, or was it the other way around? Either way, you got the picture - not to mention toll increase after toll increase after toll increase.

Andrew Natsios, who spent every Friday “working” out of his home in D.C. Boo Hoo Kerasiotes, he of the on-budget-and-ontime Big Dig. Jack the Barber, and Jordan Levy, who came to the board from the hock shop known as the Governor’s Council.

The saddest thing of all, though, if the Pike does follow the MDC into hack heaven - that Fat Matt never got to build the monorail to Albany.

11 posted on 10/02/2007 1:03:01 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

First MoveOn spams the Howie Carr poll on Rush Limbaugh, then Todd starts in on psychopharmocology, again, (I keep waiting for the Nature Bee song somewhere...), and... slowly... my finger twitches... inexorably... towards the off button on the radio remote...

Strangelove lives again, here in Roslindale...

12 posted on 10/02/2007 1:14:37 PM PDT by ForegoneAlternative (The cost of anything is...)
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To: ForegoneAlternative

I just learned about the whole sordid story today. I finally thought to Google “Howie Carr”, thinking he had a disease or something. I’m very glad that he doesn’t! What a big mess - I really hope that somebody smartens up and gets Howie back on the radio soon. Just give him what he wants - he deserves it!

13 posted on 10/02/2007 1:34:13 PM PDT by dbw2007
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To: ForegoneAlternative
Some spamming. 56% for Media Matters smearing. That's the best they can do?

This is the first time I voted in a "" poll in months.

14 posted on 10/02/2007 1:34:37 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: dbw2007

hopefully it’ll be resolved soon...the only news I have
of course is a “status meeting” will be held Oct 15.
Hopefully Howie’s holdout/benching of himself will lead
to a settlement/agreement and he can move to FM

15 posted on 10/03/2007 12:25:28 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: ForegoneAlternative

>>then Todd starts in on psychopharmocology, again,

I didn’t really hear too much of Todd F today for Howie,
but someone on noted what he was saying—
and then noted that ironically an ad for Novartis
popped up right away.

16 posted on 10/03/2007 12:26:17 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

I hope SOMETHING positive happens for us listeners, and that he’s still syndicated, or at least on internet radio. I’m glad to have a place where my sentiments are shared. I’m a loyal listener for over 6 years, and I feel like there’s a hole in my afternoons. At least we have his columns...

While he was out burning his vacation time (unbeknownst to me) I was just happy to hear his intermittent shows, and for the past two weeks I’d been hoping he’d show up on some random day. If I hadn’t Googled, I’d never have known. I have a feeling the average listener doesn’t know what’s going on, especially in areas like mine where Howie isn’t a huge media force. With Sandy and Todd speaking as if Howie will be walking back through the door any minute, it’s a very good farce.

I’m in Central Maine, near Augusta, between the Howie hot spots on WVOM FM in Bangor and WGAN AM in Portland. WVOM’s “network” had a few FM stations with Howie’s show a couple of years ago, but Clear Channel took him off the one I could hear clearly in my area. I was thrilled when WRKO finally got a permanent, reliable internet broadcast a couple of years ago. If I’m in my car, I’ll just hear garbled transmissions, but I listen online all I can. I really enjoyed the internet replay show on WRKO during the 12-3 slot, since I usually don’t catch most of the 5-7 slot. I hope that a similar format happens wherever he ends up, so I can hear his shows. (I also hope he can keep his fun segments - Wizard of Uhhs, Max Robbins, Death Pool, Chump Line, Police Blotter Fax Friday, et al, etc., ad infinitum.)

I wonder if there’s anything people can do to get the word out, besides all of the great websites that are out there. I wonder if calls to WRKO would be effective, or a letter writing campaign. (I wonder how many calls about this Sandy gets and can’t air.) Just give the guy his freedom!

17 posted on 10/03/2007 6:40:59 AM PDT by dbw2007
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To: dbw2007; All

I agree with you. Hope he comes back (even if he comes
back to WRKO though I know he doesn’t want that, and
that station is turning into a joke). We do still have
his columns but he should be on air.

Entercom wasn’t all that keen on bringing him back or
at least they lowballed him on the offer, then suddenly
it’s Howie’s Our Most Important Talk Host (which he is)
once Greater Media gave him a better offer. Entercom
knows they may not be able to get him back but this
way he stays off the air—so even though WRKO can’t
have him, Greater can’t have him either. Surely WRKO
loses pm drive listeners with Feinburg, but they would
really get killed in the mornings if he went to WTKK.

He couldn’t directly address the issue on his show
due to Entercom restricting him...he did say “read
the papers” (about the situation). The Herald had
more than a few articles—Globe, too (could have
checked those out online)

If he does get to WTKK-—or even stays at WRKO—you
would still get the show online and they could even
podcast highlights (Chumpline, some interviews) as
WRKO had. I suspect WTKK could even rebroadcast
one hour at midnight as they have been doing with
Michael Graham.

In my own situation to hear Howie in the morning I’d
have to record it on the comp. and listen back on mp3
due to my sleeping hours (night job) but that’s OK.
Entercom doesn’t want to give him his freedom though
because he’d jump to another, competing station.
They will only let him go, I’d think, if Greater
Media paid them a big money settlement of some sort.
Or if after months and months of this charade (a
Howie Carr Show without Howie) they finally give in.

18 posted on 10/03/2007 7:50:40 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Andonius_99; Andy'smom; Antique Gal; Big Guy and Rusty 99; bitt; Barset; Carolinamom; Cheapskate; ..

The Wed. re-ping. Today’s Howie column below.

Hub Politician Dials it Up A Notch—Or Six

by Howie Carr/Boston Herald 10/3/07

They’re burying Jack E. Molesworth this morning, and with him, a small but colorful bit of Boston radio history.

Molesworth was probably the first and definitely the last guy to attack a Boston radio talk-show host during a broadcast, and to engage in a knock-down, drag-out brawl with the host while the air went dead for five or 10 minutes, depending on which paper you read. The host was Jerry Williams. The radio station was WMEX. The year was 1962.

It didn’t rate a mention on either paper’s obituary page yesterday, but the brawl was front-page news on May 23, 1962.

The Herald: “Molesworth, Radio MC in Studio Brawl”.

The Traveler: “Fight Show Enlivens Hub Radio”.

Molesworth, who died Sunday at age 81, was at the time a Republican state committeeman from the Back Bay. Jerry Williams hosted the top-rated night show in Boston, on AM radio believe it or not, routinely getting 40 shares (now you can win with a 6 or 7). His WMEX lead-in was Arnie “Woo Woo” Ginsburg’s Night Train.

Molesworth was not a “first-time caller.” He had been feuding with Williams for months. On this night, Jerry’s first guest was a Democratic rep from Dorchester, Bill Keenan, who was apparently putting the knock on GOP Gov. John Volpe over some long-forgotten legislation.

Molesworth ran downstairs from his 166 Beacon St. apartment and drove the few blocks to the MEX studio on Brookline Avenue to demand “equal time.” In those days, Jerry had a studio audience for his live show, and Molesworth muscled into the studio around 12:10 a.m. By that time Williams was interviewing a new guest, the legendary Rep. Julius Ansel, also of Dorchester, whose heart always belonged to Ward 13.

Molesworth rushed up to the microphone and began yelling at Jerry. Williams informed his audience that he was being heckled by a member of the John Birch Society. “Typical Molesworth tactic,” Jerry sneered.

Let’s pick up the Herald account: “A heated argument then began. Listeners heard a loud crash, then a pause. The pause lasted more than five minutes.”

Molesworth was outnumbered, and as the Traveler put it, “the professional stamp collector took a licking.”

Molesworth got the bum’s rush out of the studio. But despite reporting a “possible broken shoulder, a fractured left elbow and numerous bruises,” he claimed victory over Williams, a radio technician, and a supporter of Ansel’s from Topliff Street.

“They took me unawares,” Molesworth said, “and then we sort of wrestled out the door. Then we were on the floor and I think Williams was on the bottom.”

As the battered Molesworth drove directly to MGH for treatment, Williams breathlessly returned to the microphone: “I’ve never experienced anything like this in 16 years of radio work.”

More than 30 years later, aging listeners would come up to Williams wherever he appeared and tell him that they were there in the ‘MEX studio the night he duked it out with Jack Molesworth. You’d think Jerry was broadcasting from the Garden that night, rather than from Whim-X’s cramped quarters.

The story petered out after a few days, and life went on. Rep. Ansel was elected to the state Senate in 1964 and on election night told his devoted supporters, “Now that I’m in the Senate, let me say this: The price is going up!” He died the next year.

Jerry Williams remained Jerry Williams. He passed on in 2003. And Jack Molesworth? He ran for Congress in 1964 against House Speaker John McCormack, didn’t get very far and eventually moved out of the city to Winchester, where he’ll be buried today at Wildwood Cemetery.

Goodbye Jack, and wherever you are, give my regards to Jerry and Julius.

19 posted on 10/03/2007 7:57:52 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

Re: the Limbaugh controversy:

According to Tom Taylor’s column today (, reflecting the TALKERS numbers (a magazine about
talk radio):

>>Rush is still #1 at about 13.25 million in minimum weekly 12+ cume (all numbers rounded off to the nearest quarter million).

No wonder the libs hate him.
Other leading talkers include Sean “You’re A Great American”, Michael “The Liberal VERMIN!!”,
Glenn “Conservative But Not Necessarily Republican” and
Laura “Shut Up And Buy My New Book”.

Mark “get off the phone you big dope” is up there too, and:

>>Then Mike Gallagher and Michael Medved at about 3.75 million each.

So why the low numbers for WTTT in Boston which carries

And yeah, there’s a lib or two in there, like Sgt Schultz who is tied with Bill Talking Points.

We need Mark Levin in Boston. One of two soundboards
where you can click on a sound bite from his show.

20 posted on 10/03/2007 8:19:13 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio
I like the idea of recording the shows online. That would mean never being able to call in again, which would be too bad, but better than not having Howie around!

Hey, did you notice that WRKO has a job opening for a 9-12 radio show? I wonder if they're considering that Feinberg will be a permanent afternoon fixture. I'm going to be optimistic and say that's a good sign!

WRKO is looking for a midday show host to fill our 9A- noon slot. Candidates should have at least two years experience hosting or co-hosting their own show. The host must have an intimate knowledge of national and global issues in addition to local Massachusetts politics, history and culture. The WRKO midday host will be expected to possess a savvy understanding of the news cycle, including spending a considerable amount of time in the field, establishing connections with community leaders, political principals and other influential and notable people. We're searching for a personality, someone who can establish a relationship with the audience beyond just the exchanging of ideas. Candidates should be extremely opinionated who are unfazed by a back-and-forth of strong ideas and opinions, and someone who is a team player, supportive and respective of fellow staffers. Please forward your resumes to or Entercom Boston, Attn: Human Resources, 20 Guest Street, 3rd Floor, Brighton, MA 02135. Entercom is an equal opportunity employer.

I especially like the "team player" bit (emboldened above). They want someone who is opinionated and obnoxious, yet respectful and meek. Bipolar candidates line up!
21 posted on 10/03/2007 10:36:48 AM PDT by dbw2007
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To: dbw2007

yes we noticed that ad on the radio boards. It could indeed be that they need someone for late mornings if they lose Howie
and put Todd on in afternoons. But I wonder if it’s an old
ad? Note it says 9-noon. Up until Feb 12 when Finneran’s
show started, they had the 6-9 am slot and then 9-noon
but Finneran’s show became 6 to 10 am...with Todd F 10-noon.
Is that poss. an ad from BEFORE when Finneran started?

Then again they already HAD Feinburg for that slot so
why adv. for a new host (unless his ratings were/are

22 posted on 10/03/2007 11:09:09 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio
Can't you pickup WABC 770 in Boston?

I can generally get it here in VT, but I remember picking up all sorts of NYC stations in MA, including that NYT classical station when I didn't have FM in my early 70s vintage Olds.

Or a real FM radio in my 1980 Chevy.

23 posted on 10/03/2007 11:53:34 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke

not at my workplace...well maybe if I sit in a certain
bathroom at work (work 6 pm -on) but I could only do that for a few minutes
WABC doesn’t come in as well as it used to, though.

24 posted on 10/03/2007 11:55:36 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

...also I think Levin’s show is podcast (free, or segments
are) but I don’t want to go to the trouble of
visiting the site all the time, etc

25 posted on 10/03/2007 11:56:52 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

FWIW, BOR tonight said he’s “extending the Radio Factor another year to counter the left....”

26 posted on 10/03/2007 5:09:20 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke

Thanks! Yes the rumor was untrue but maybe he’ll leave
after that year, or go to another syndicator, etc.

27 posted on 10/03/2007 11:05:54 PM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Andonius_99; Andy'smom; Antique Gal; Big Guy and Rusty 99; bitt; Barset; Carolinamom; Cheapskate; ..

The Thu. re-ping.
Here’s a blog entry by Brian Maloney from
and some comments.

Not Fooling Anybody

Tuning in for the first few minutes of what is still called “The Howie Carr Show”, it just seemed incredible that WRKO and Entercom believe the station’s remaining audience is that stupid.

Tell me, who out there doesn’t know that Howie Carr QUIT his show, sued the station, was counter-sued and would rather have his forearm fed into a garbage disposal (Whitey Bulger really did this once, to a completely innocent woman) than return to Guest Street?

Anybody not clear on this concept? He HATES the place and would rather be off the air than forced back to WRKO.

That said, every day that WRKO continues this phony “Howie Carr” charade only compounds the foolishness. Today, Todd Fill-in-burg made a point of repeatedly mentioning Howie’s name, as though that could keep Carr’s fans tuned in.

The station is only embarrassing itself by continuing this sham.

some comments from that site:

Entercom’s financial picture isn’t fooling anyone, either: They’ve gone from a 16.1m profit at the end of Q3 2006 to a 12.5m LOSS at the end of Q2 this year. I can’t wait to see Q3 and Q4 of this year. Those Boston idiots will be Wal-Mart door greeters just in time for the Christmas rush. Oh...did I say ‘Christmas?’ Sorry! ‘Holiday rush.’

Brian P. Henchey:
Two comments:

First, Todd Feinburg is a great guy who has principles and, like everyone else, is trying to further his own career. If you worked for ‘RKO and management asked you to fill-in and say Howie’s name a bunch of times, and if through doing this they would maybe put you on permanently for the afternoon drive, wouldn’t YOU do it?

I agree that claiming the “Howie Carr Show” is still at ‘RKO is a bit ridiculous, but they do have 14 years of precedent and they’re fighting to keep him. Just don’t blame Todd for any “sham”; blame management.

Second, all this “I need Howie or I’m gonna die!”-crap is pathetic. CHILL THE BLEEP OUT. Howie will be back eventually. Relax. In the meantime check out Hannity at AM-1150 WTTT or Severin at 96.9-FM WTKK. You can also check out Scottie McCall 4-6p at AM-1120 WBNW ( — he’s pretty funny.

Hugh Jass:
Todd Feinburg is good people, IMO. Management has put him in a tough position. But he is talented and hardworking.

He is no Howie, but who is, really?

Further, I think WRKO clinging to the “Howie Carr Show “ sobriquet is a legal ploy for Entercom to show they still want Howie (and, therefore, the judge should not free him to work at WTKK).

LMAO @ entercom, how ridiculous are these people? How much longer are they going to continue this charade? Granted Howie goes back to court on the 15th so does that mean entercom is going to continue with the “Howie’s off this week” crap until the 15h? Then what? It’s obvious Howie isn’t comimg back, do they really think they can force him back? How uncomfortable will that be for entercom cuz you know Howie will not be his usual self if he’s forced to sit back in front of the mic @ RKO, it will be very unpleasant for Howie and his listeners. I just don’t understand why entercom can’t be gracious and just let it go, the longer it goes on, the worse entercom looks, trying to prove a point is one thing, dragging it on and on at the expense of listeners and making yourself look like an ass is just,,,,well, it’s just what entercom is doing.

-I never heard anything so retarded as that station.
-does anyone know if it was part of the “decision” in court that they could not remove his name from the show as long as they were going to hold him to the first refusal portion of the contract? That would make sense. Has anyone read the decision.
- is Save Wrko still appropriate name for this site?

Don’t be so sure Howie won’t pull a D+C and come crawling back to WRKO. What choice does he have? He’s losing a lot of cake each day he’s not on the air.

Just got a new car with XM radio (free for a month) - should I sign up is there any good talk on there? I’ll do almost anything to fill the void left by Howie’s departure. And I am as fed up as you with the charade, Brian. It would be laughable if I didn’t miss his show so much.

What is the timeline now? When does Howie next go to court and what are the various possible outcomes?

Reality Check:
It is still the Howie Carr Show because regardless of what you all think, there is a better chance he will be back on WRKO than there is that he will be on WTKK (not impossible, but not likely any time soon). Howie got his clock cleaned in court and will probably not fare any better in the future.

Howie is in this position due to hubris, bad legal advice and bad faith bargaining on his part. He should be sitting on the beach and getting ready to start on WTKK in January, if that is what he really wanted.

Not sure where Chris is pulling his figures from, but for years Entercom has been no worse than on par with the other radio companies in its sector and it outperforms them in most quarters. In Boston, this band of incompetents manages to return large margins on all of its other stations and a modest profit on WRKO. WEEI is the top billing station in Boston and Entercom is the top billing cluster (despite one less station than CBS) in Boston during baseball season. Try talking to a real live radio executive at CBS, Greater Media or Clear Channel and they will have a different opinion of Entercom than what you get on this site.

We are all welcome to our opinions about radio programming, but don’t think you are learning much about the radio business on this site. If you’d like, of course you can spout off, feel smart, call people idiots and prattle on about how foolish these dolts who are actually drawing paychecks in the industry are, go right ahead, and by all means watch out for the windmills.

28 posted on 10/04/2007 8:13:37 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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The Fri. re-ping

Steve Bailey in today’s Globe write the following—note that Bailey works
for WRKO (and Emily Rooney’s show)—my guess is that
Jay was so angry at being left off “EMILY’s List”
(Early Money Is Like Yeast...) that he typed fast
and furious and got those mis-spellings.....

At home, and all alone

By Steve Bailey | October 5, 2007
(The Boston Globe-Democrat)

Jay Severin, WTKK radio’s libertarian loudmouth, is hurt - wounded really - and Emily Rooney, WGBH-TV’s thermally challenged queen bee, is off his show and his station. Says Rooney: “I didn’t think the punishment fit the crime.”

Rooney’s crime? Inadvertently leaving Severin off the invitation list for WGBH’s party last week marking the 10th anniversary of her show, “Greater Boston.” Everyone was there, even me.

“Dear Emily,” Severin e-mailed Rooney on Wednesday evening just minutes before the big event was to begin.

“As I imagine you well know, I do wish you congratulations on the most impressive achievement of ten years on the air choreographing your own presentation. Extraordinary.

“And please do not misconsture [sic] what I ask as mitigating in any way the earnestness of my best wishes.

“However: I am very personally disappointed (although from what you have frankly told me of WGBH’s attitude toward myself, not necessarily greatly surprised) not to have been among those from 96.9 to have been invited to the WGBH celebratory event. After all, we are, I think, friends; and we do broadcast together here weekly, for an audience which is very considerably larger than even your television audience, correctr? [sic] It thus strkes [sic] me as fairly appropriate that I might have anticipated being included - especially considering others here at 96.9 were.

“Am I wrong and/or presumptuous to wonder why, under the circumstances, I am not included?”

Since January, Rooney has done a weekly (paid) segment with Severin, discussing the media. But on Friday, Rooney got a call from WTKK’s program director, Grace Blazer, telling her not to bother coming to the station. The segment was being canceled; she cited “budgetary” issues, Rooney says. (Disclosure: I occasionally appear on Rooney’s “Beat the Press” show; I hope she was getting paid more from WTKK than the $100 I get from WGBH.)

“I feel terrible about this. I honestly do. I literally lost sleep over it,” she says. (Then again, not terrible enough to call Severin or reply to his e-mail.) As for Severin’s snide remark about ratings or the lack thereof, Rooney says: “I didn’t understand how that was relevant to the issue.”

Neither Severin nor Blazer returned my calls or e-mails.

In Severin’s world, Hillary Clinton is “a lying [expletive],” Ted Kennedy is “a fat piece of lying garbage,” and Al Gore is “Al Whore.” All things considered, it’s surprising the guy is asked out at all

29 posted on 10/05/2007 7:30:41 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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Howie Carr column ping

Wave of pol flights to lobbying makes it special time of year

by Howie Carr/ Boston Herald

Is it my imagination, or is Gov. Deval Patrick doing pretty much nothing?

Inertia in government is not a bad thing, you understand. Mostly the governor likes to talk about hope and opportunity. He must be hoping for an opportunity.

You’ve heard a lot lately about casinos. But there is no casino bill. Maybe next week - wink wink, nudge nudge.

You’ve read about the proposal to consolidate the transportation agencies. There is no “MassTrans” bill. The only bills are for the new drapes in the Corner Office, the Coupe Deval and the gas. But it’s gas well-wasted, if it keeps Deval on the road and away from the State House.

He said he was going to cut your property taxes and he hasn’t done it. That’s the bad news. The good news - he hasn’t raised them either.

But even by modern State House standards of sloth, the Patrick administration is setting the pace for others to follow - or not, as the case may be. For instance, after nine months in office, Deval just got around to picking his final Cabinet secretary. To fill the utterly worthless job of running the Office of Elder Affairs, he selected the utterly worthless state rep Mike Festa of Melrose. Does this mean there will be yet another special election?

There’s a “special” almost every Tuesday now, whenever a rep quits to become a lobbyist, or to have a cup of coffee in the Patrick administration before he becomes a lobbyist. What’s odd about this proliferation of lobbyists is that there are fewer solons than ever to actually lobby. All a lobbyist needs is the ear of either the Senate president or the House speaker and he’s all set - at least to block legislation, which is what most lobbying comes down to: stopping somebody else from getting whatever it is your client wants.

So it’s understandable that hacks further down the totem pole are quitting to become “lobbyists.” And the League of Women Voters and other goo-goos feel they have to be replaced, even though 99 percent of them weren’t doing anything at the State House anyway except collecting per diems.

Next Tuesday’s “special” features Anthony Gallucio of Cambridge, a two-time OUI loser last seen breathing a sigh of relief after dodging a third driving under. Now he’s running unopposed for a gerrymandered 617-area-code Senate seat vacated by a guy who quit to go to work for a health insurer.

Then on Oct. 16 it’s the special election to fill the seat of U.S. Rep. Marty Meehan, who bailed to fatten his pension at UMass-Lowell. On Oct. 23 it’s the final fight to replace East Boston Rep. Tony Petrucelli, who won still another special election to replace Senate President Bob Travaglini, who quit to become a lobbyist.

Meanwhile, Trav’s brother, who runs the state pension system for globe-trotting State Treasurer Tim Cahill, got a massive pay raise this week. It’s a kiss for the thoroughly mediocre job Mike Trav has been doing, the theory being that if he hadn’t gotten that extra $120K, he might have bailed. Let him quit - I’ll bet we can find someone else who can lose $30 million in public funds in a single hedge fund.

Then there’s Speaker Sal DiMasi. He’s against casinos, for reasons no one can fathom. When Sal DiMasi emerges as the conscience of the Legislature, you’ve got even more problems than usual. I spotted Sal a couple of weeks ago, leaving a breakfast “time” at a major downtown law firm. He was accompanied by Paul Scapicchio, a former Boston city councilor who quit to become a, well, you know what he’s doing now.

Then there’s the president of the Senate, Therese Murray. She digs Russia, don’t ask me to explain it. It’s like Sal being against casinos - a sorrowful mystery. One of her senators, Bob Havern of Arlington, just quit to become a lobbyist. Stop me if you’ve heard this one before. I believe they’ve scheduled a special election.

30 posted on 10/05/2007 7:33:13 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

Wow, they are crawling out of the woodwork against Todd today. A couple of derisive comments so far. Woo hoo!!!

He’s talking about a painter that paints with his behind, and someone took the opportunity to call him an @$$.

Another said “the Todd Fineburg radio network” and Todd said “not quite yet”. Very interesting. Then the guy said something subtly derisive, which was good.

31 posted on 10/05/2007 1:28:34 PM PDT by dbw2007
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To: raccoonradio
Oops... thanks again, FRiend. Just found this thread.

What I've heard of Todd Feinburg is BORING...

32 posted on 10/07/2007 7:29:24 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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the show ping for today

33 posted on 10/08/2007 10:08:45 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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today’s show ping, if it matters to anyone...we’ll see if
that “status meeting” next Fri. means anything. Still
NOT The Howie Carr Show.

34 posted on 10/09/2007 12:16:26 PM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

by Brian Maloney:
Hanging On

For the last several weeks, we've been tracking Howie Carr's regional affiliates to see if any had dropped the show that is still his in name only.

Because some stations have been slow to return messages (if at all) and don't keep websites up-to-date with programming changes, this has been a frustrating experience.

As far as I can tell, however, all are still running "The Howie Carr Show", even while hosted by Todd Fill-inburg. A quick double-check shows Portland's WGAN, Springfield's WHYN and the Cape's WXTK 95 FM all still carrying the program as of today.

With Howie Carr having quit the program, the big question is why his former affiliates haven't yet dumped it.

One programmer who was kind enough to explain her station's position is WXTK General Manager Allison Makkay, who told me by phone two weeks ago that contractual obligations are a key reason. As long as "The Howie Carr Show" continues to exist, even sans Howie, it must be carried through their agreement's end date.

Makkay also indicated they had not begun to look for a replacement program as of that point.

In other conversations with regional radio insiders, two other issues have emerged: one, a perception by some, apparently created by Entercom, that Howie will soon be returning to WRKO's afternoon drive slot.p> Another biggie: what to run instead? For a relatively small fee, New England stations have enjoyed running a talk show that focused at least partly on regional issues. Howie's absence now means either picking up a nationally syndicated show in afternoon drive (free, but not a very appealing programming option) or hiring a local host (a great move, but could be slightly more expensive).

No wonder they'd prefer to believe Howie will soon return to WRKO. I think he'd rather meet up with Whitey Bulger in It-lee than go back to Guest Street, however.

35 posted on 10/09/2007 12:18:37 PM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio; All
If anybody's looking for something to list to instead of "you're a great american"being beat into your skulls

Steve Malzberg has taken over afternoon drive at WOR in NYC.He's on from 4 to 6 Eastern. the guy is GOOD!

There will usually be a live thread too, so come on over sometime!

36 posted on 10/09/2007 12:27:32 PM PDT by Cheapskate ( Celebrate Sept.8 as Pajamatag , the day the pajamahadeem busted Dan Rather!!)
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To: raccoonradio
hiring a local host (a great move,

A great move -- if they can find someone people want to listen to! Not as easy apparently as one would hope! (I'm not one of those knocking Todd Feinberg as if it were somehow his fault -- he's OK, in fact better in Howie's slot than he was in his own).

37 posted on 10/09/2007 12:38:13 PM PDT by maryz
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Howie column ping

The Unforgettable Dapper O’Neil

by Howie Carr/Boston Herald 10/10/07

How do you thank a guy for a million laughs?

That’s a line from the end of Edwin O’Connor’s novel, “The Last Hurrah.” The fictional mayor, patterned after James Michael Curley, is dying, and he’s saying goodbye to one of his oldest aides, a guy named Ditto who always kept him amused. That’s the mayor’s question to Ditto: How do you thank a guy for a million laughs?

So here is Albert Leo “Dapper” O’Neil, 14-term at-large Boston city councilor, now 87 years old and confined to Room 204 of the Deutsches Altenheim rest home on Centre Street in West Roxbury. On Columbus Day around noon, he was lying in his bed, half-asleep. Dapper’s legally blind now, and he had to finally quit smoking, at age 86, before he was allowed to move into the Altenheim.

Dapper is at least 100 pounds lighter than he was in his prime, when he was battling the people he called “social-planning liberal do-gooders,” when he carried a .38 and had a bumper sticker on his car that said: “Liberals: An American Cancer.”

“Good to see you,” he was saying to his two visitors, me and City Councilor Steve Murphy. He recognized our voices. “Howie, I knew you when you were a kid.”

That’s right, I told him. One day at City Hall you asked me where I lived, and I said Somerville, and you said, “I pity you.”

“And I still do,” the Dap said.

The Dap’s girlfriend of 54 years, Helen Suski, is now his legal guardian, but she lives in Plymouth - 32 miles away, and she can’t get up to West Roxbury every day. Dapper doesn’t get nearly as many visitors as he should, given what he has meant to this city. The regulars include Murphy and ex-councilor Joe Tierney, Richie Masterson from Eustis Street in Roxbury, John Fahey the cable guy, restaurant guys Sal Lombardo and Vinny Marino, his niece Dolly and a campaign worker named Dorothy.

I asked Dapper, does the mayor ever stop by?

“No,” the Dap said sadly. “I can’t remember the last time I saw him.”

Somebody ought to remind Menino he’s where he is today because he got seven votes for City Council president in 1993. That set him up to become mayor-for-life when Ray Flynn quit. One of those seven votes came from the Dap, not that he had much choice. The other candidate for Council president that year was Maura Hennigan, whom Dapper used to call “Veronica Lake,” unless she was huddling with the other three female councilors, in which case he referred to them collectively as “the Andrews Sisters.”

Murphy and I tried to make small talk with Dapper, but he was tired. We couldn’t even get him going on the subject of Rosaria Salerno, a/k/a Sister Sunshine, the ex-nun from Chicago who got elected to the Council and drove him crazy. I remember one day, it must have been around 1987, he was campaigning at Florian Hall in Dorchester, and the old-timers were all cooing about Rosaria, that nice nun. Dapper finally exploded.

“She’s not a nun, dammit, she’s an ex-nun. That means she turned her back on God. You know what that means? If she’d turn her back on God, think what she’d do to you, the voters!”

All these years later, Dapper looked up at me and asked how old my daughters were now. I told him and he nodded.

“Remember Millie (his late sister) used to give them ice cream and they’d sit in the kitchen, eating it up, wearing my hats?”

Sure do remember it, Dap. Like it was yesterday. I mentioned how he’d outlasted them all - Freddie, Chris, Pat McDonough, Gabe Piemonte, the Kerrigans, Louise. All gone, except for the Dap. Steve Murphy brought up the Roslindale parade next Sunday.
“I’m ready for that!” Dapper said, but then he closed his eyes.

“I’m going to sleep now,” he said. “Thank you very much for coming by.”

If you’d like to send Dapper a card, someone will make sure it’s read to him. Doesn’t have to be a get-well card, just a note letting him know you haven’t forgotten the Dap. His address is 2222 Centre Street, Room 204, West Roxbury MA 02132

38 posted on 10/10/2007 12:46:01 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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The one and only: Albert ’Dapper’ O’Neil, legend of Boston politics, now resides in a West Roxbury nursing home.

Dapper Sings! The Irish Belly Dancer and more. Also here

39 posted on 10/10/2007 12:51:13 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

also in today’s Herald:

It looks like fallen shock jock Don Imus will return to the airwaves in December, but WTKK (96.9) FM - where Imus was heard on morning drive for eight years - is still holding out for Howie.

When asked if Imus could return to WTKK, station spokeswoman Heidi Raphael said today: “As you know, we are pursuing another avenue for mornings and we expect to prevail.”

In the days after the remarks and before CBS and MSNBC gave Imus got the boot, WTKK was willing to give him another chance. “I’m not going to take him off the air,” Peter Smyth, chief executive of Greater Media Inc., which owns WTKK, told the Herald at the time.

“I would very much like to see him come back and see what he can do,” Smyth said. “If this behavior happens again, then all bets are off.”

Carr’s legal battle to take over Imus’ old morning drive spot on WTKK heads to a court hearing on Monday. WRKO (680 AM) continues to tout him as their host even though he’s been off the air for nearly three weeks.

Newsday reports that Imus will return to radio in early December on WABC in New York. ABC Radio is owned by Citadel Broadcasting, which owns nearly 250 radio stations nationwide. Ex-sidekick Bernard McGuirk is expected to be on the show.

In April, Imus was famously fired from the CBS-owned WFAN in New York after calling members of the Rutgers women’s basketball team “nappy-headed ho’s.” His syndicated show was heard on more than 60 stations and was simulcast on MSNBC.

Earlier today, the National Association of Black Journalists urged Citadel Broadcasting chief executive Farid Suleman and Fox News Chairman Roger Ailes to halt negotiations to return Imus to radio and TV.

The group had called for Imus to be fired last spring after the Rutgers remarks.

In a statement, the organization said recent reports that Imus is in informal talks with Fox Chairman Roger Ailes and is finalizing contractual details with Citadel Broadcasting are unimaginable.

“NABJ remains outraged after the racially inflammatory insults made by Don Imus last spring. He used his free speech to broadcast hate speech. To put him back on the air now makes light of his serious and offensive racial remarks that are still ringing in the ears of people all over this country,” said Barbara Ciara, NABJ president.

40 posted on 10/10/2007 12:58:03 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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That’s another great Howie column.
As always, thanks for the pings.

41 posted on 10/10/2007 1:00:22 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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“She’s not a nun, dammit, she’s an ex-nun. That means she turned her back on God. You know what that means? If she’d turn her back on God, think what she’d do to you, the voters!”

LOL! I loved Dapper -- talk about "politically incorrect" before the concept even existed. He was ahead of his time!

42 posted on 10/10/2007 1:25:09 AM PDT by maryz
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I heard overnite that certain "groups" want Imus paired up with a black co-host.......ok, so will Chris Rock have a white partner,,,will jesse and al have white co-leaders? I doubt it...........

HOWIE we miss you,,,,,,,,great column on the dapper, keep 'em coming and keep fighting for your space on WTKK, hoping to hear you on the air waves, SOON, real SOON!

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Thank you for all of your efforts Raccoon!

Is it me or is the redesigned terrible? I’ve given it a few weeks, but I hate it.

I hate to say it, but the Globe has a much more user-friendly, cleaner design to it.


44 posted on 10/10/2007 10:54:33 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA
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To: maryz

LOL, did you just hear Feinberg? Top of the hour,,,,,”Feinberg in for Howie Carr, how long can this go on for, who knows?????” LMAO!

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And now Howie’s on jury duty, according to Sandy.

At least they’ve actually started talking about him.

46 posted on 10/10/2007 2:21:09 PM PDT by dbw2007
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I heard that too...I only tuned in for a couple minutes around
chumpline time. I think this means Howie is meeting with
his lawyers.

Shortly before he left WRKO, or at least stopped doing shows,
he said he would be out a certain day due to “jury duty”.
Afterwards, he admitted “it wasn’t really for jury
duty” but I’m thinking “jury duty” is a reference to
meeting with lawyers, etc.

47 posted on 10/11/2007 12:33:20 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: GOPsterinMA

you’re welcome...
BH page is OK but could be better. I usually only visit

a) to cut and paste Howie articles for the ping list

b) to check out any news about Howie (sometimes via
blog items by Jessica Heslam, aka “Howie’s secretary”.
That nickname came about when she started to release
details about him leaving for almost seemed
like he was speaking through her...

48 posted on 10/11/2007 12:35:06 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

leaving for WTKK that should say!

49 posted on 10/11/2007 12:35:26 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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Howie should guest-host for Rush. That would be a hoot. The Condo’s only a hop-skip-etc from Southern Command, after all... That should tweak a tail at RKO, which, of course, is why it won’t happen, I guess...

50 posted on 10/11/2007 9:16:40 AM PDT by ForegoneAlternative (The cost of anything is...)
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