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Goodbye Mr Burns: Ken Burns' "The War"

Posted on 10/01/2007 5:59:05 PM PDT by american_ranger

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To: Palladin

Hahahha


41 posted on 10/01/2007 6:43:44 PM PDT by dennisw (France needs a new kind of immigrant — one who is "selected, not endured" - Sarkozy)
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To: american_ranger

Well, ranger, lured in for a bit by some of the incredible heroism and sacrifice, I saw it soon turn to what horrible things were done by us to free this continent from Nazism...although that just doesn’t get mentioned.

So I, like you, turned it off. The message, I guess, is saving western civilization and your own homes and way of life, and libertating Europe, is not worth it...just too mean.


42 posted on 10/01/2007 6:43:48 PM PDT by Bahbah
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To: american_ranger

Why would you want to watch PBS/Ken Burns’ version when there are loads of WW2 newsreels, raw film footage, and existing documentaries on CDs already? (Victory At Sea, World At War, even one narrated by - gasp! - Martin Sheen).

Burns managed to drain the life out of “Jazz”, so I figured he’d do the same for this.


43 posted on 10/01/2007 6:45:59 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: geopyg

I think it’s an extraordinarily good and realistic series. I do not see this as anti-American. It makes me cry to realize the sacrifices of that generation, and I say that without needing to believe that they were all saints. They were still remarkable. And we owe them more than we can ever pay.


44 posted on 10/01/2007 6:47:13 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: bobby.223

The “World at War” series, narrated by Laurence Olivier, is the definitive WWII documentary, as far as I’m concerned.


45 posted on 10/01/2007 6:47:56 PM PDT by wimpycat (Hyperbole is the opiate of the activist wacko.)
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To: Palladin

The blankets had smallpox...that was 150 years earlier...and they named a town after the guy

At least we name helicopters after the warring tribes who tried to wipe us out...


46 posted on 10/01/2007 6:48:08 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Excellent suggestion. Unlike Ken Burns, Frank Capra was a real American.


47 posted on 10/01/2007 6:48:27 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: american_ranger

Burns & Co. also botched the story of the Sullivan’s...got their home town totally wrong. Burns is a wanker.


48 posted on 10/01/2007 6:48:46 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (A dyslexic, agnostic insomniac asks, "Is there a doG?")
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To: geopyg
"Now - not sure if those were “orders” or was just the men taking care of what needed to be taken care of."

I'd say more like the men taking care of business. In one of the first episodes featuring the Pacific theater, one Marine said that they'd found fellow Marines that had been killed and mutilated by the Japs. Their heads were cut off, slashed horribly, and some had their private parts cut off and shoved in their mouths. He said after that...they never took another Jap prisoner. He said one day they'd captured about five Japs, and they were marched into the jungle and killed. He said most of the men would deny it, even to this day, but he knew it was true, because he'd been there. The one thing that has impressed me most about all the old vets is that time has never diminished the memory of the things they saw and did. Sixty-plus years later, and they still get choked up talking about their buddies who didn't make it home. It makes me choke up too, and I've found myself openly crying for what these men went through.

49 posted on 10/01/2007 6:52:19 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: american_ranger; VOA; raygun

Thanks for posting. Ping. Ping.


50 posted on 10/01/2007 6:52:39 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: BallyBill
Some one who was there said that, it wasn't a comment.

But it IS a comment representing Burns's point of view. All of the MSM use the same technique. They find someone "off the street" to deliver their talking points in order to legitimize their propaganda.

51 posted on 10/01/2007 6:53:08 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: shield

I often think that we merely delayed the inevitable.

Burns is so exquisitely talented it is too bad he is a lefty. The photos, the music (I haven’t heard boogie woogie bugle boy once), the people... The way he works the photos with pans and zooms to make them look almost like movies. I can’t help it, I love this guy’s work.

And I don’t find it as anti-american as some of the paleos on here. I think some of these folks just might have already formed an opinion going in.

Also, I like the year by year pace of it. It helps me understand what was going on in the country at the time.


52 posted on 10/01/2007 6:56:10 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: american_ranger
Odd. I must be in the minority here, since I'm not seeing an overwhelming bias in this series. I'm simply seeing history, including parts of the history we'd perhaps rather not remember, such as the execution of German POWs (in retaliation for them having done the same to our POWs), the fact that there were enormous losses in many battles, that there were some commanders who were absolutely not competent, etc.

While it's not pleasant to hear that our military in WWII wasn't perfect, it isn't bias to point it out. The fact we won in spite of these screwups is quite the testament to the men with boots on the ground, I'd say.

So yeah, flame me if it makes you feel better, but I'm just not seeing the leftist slant here, at least not in the episodes I've viewed. And certainly not enough to justify the hand-wringing, name calling and general wailing, gnashing of teeth and rending of garments that has cropped up on this thread.

53 posted on 10/01/2007 6:56:51 PM PDT by Jokelahoma (Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
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To: american_ranger

Let’s blast PBS...let’s tell them what we all think of this ANTI-AMERICAN garbage. My local pbs has been holding fund raising more than usual lately. I think because of this anti-America crap people have stopped giving to them.


54 posted on 10/01/2007 6:57:07 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: american_ranger

The first episode bored me to sleep, although I did notice how quickly they skipped over Pearl Harbor.


55 posted on 10/01/2007 6:57:12 PM PDT by gunservative
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To: ErnBatavia

The North Vietnamese took that attitude too. The last part of the book “We Were Soldiers Once and Young” tells the story of the “second” battle as our soldiers were trying to make it to another LZ. They got shot up pretty bad, with the guys that managed to remain hidden and escaped had to listen throughout the night to our wounded moaning until a gook shot them. That was a VERY hard part to read. (I believe the movie ends before this second battle).


56 posted on 10/01/2007 6:58:11 PM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: Palladin

No the mexicans have gotten there two cents in too.


57 posted on 10/01/2007 7:00:48 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: wimpycat

For the war in the Pacific “Victory at Sea” was always my favorite. A bit dated now, but still great.


58 posted on 10/01/2007 7:01:42 PM PDT by moreisee
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To: american_ranger

liberal or not, racist or not, slanted or not, who else is recording the memories of these heroes who are dying at the rate of something like 1,000 per day?

There’s some great stuff here.


59 posted on 10/01/2007 7:03:17 PM PDT by gracesdad
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To: RaceBannon

In honor of their ability to FIGHT!


60 posted on 10/01/2007 7:04:23 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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