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Goodbye Mr Burns: Ken Burns' "The War"

Posted on 10/01/2007 5:59:05 PM PDT by american_ranger

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To: Palladin

You got THAT right....Band of Brothers is the best.
I was holding off on seeing Burn’s interpretation of our efforts in WWII.
I’ll pass on his version, and stick with real heros.


61 posted on 10/01/2007 7:04:38 PM PDT by pgobrien (82d Abn Inf pings......)
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To: mnehrling
"Interesting, I was holding off watching until I could buy the videos"

I would recommend getting them - I have watched all of the episodes and though there are lots of liberal views, the combat coverage and the sensitivity to the sacrifices of the American fighting men more than make up for it.

Just finished this episode and its coverage of Iwo - I doubt that anyone has put together a more poignant illustration of the costs of that fight.

62 posted on 10/01/2007 7:05:53 PM PDT by USMCVet
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To: gracesdad

Yeah, at first I was like what, ANOTHER WWII documentary? Now I think we can’t have too many. When these guys are gone, they’re gone.


63 posted on 10/01/2007 7:07:28 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: american_ranger
Burns IMHO is best explained by two things: (1) Technical and (2) Psychic

(1) He learned how to do multi-media slide/video/film/stills presentations on the Show-Pro 5, back in the seventies by semi-animating still photographs and "pin-registering" them for multi-projectors. That laughably primitive tech very soon hooked up with computers to enable even total nincompoops to make archival materials look hip and new, especially when combined with music.

(2) think back to folk singers of the late '50's and early '60s, like Joan Baez. They somehow managed to make even lively folk tunes sound like haunting dirges. This is of course a time-honored tradition : v. Goethe's "The Sorrows of Young Werther" "Holden Caulfield," etc. ad nauseam.

Ken has taken advantage of the abysmal cultural illiteracy of Americans to revive these hackneyed traditions. Fukrisakes, this Burns guy even managed to make frikkin' baseball sad! But who are we to demur, the SOB has picked up millions of our tax-bucks from NPR & T, sort of like that despicable SOB Bill Moyers anus (and his son)!

O, it's all so sad, our saving the world from Hitler ... but not Stalin! If only you ordinary people understood! Unfortunately, for the POV represented on this site, which is a slowly shrinking minority of Americans, very few of whom can still read and write, or figure beyond short division, Ken Burns has got it and the Ferderal grants system right.

WTF, nowhere in our Constitution does it say we last forever. Ken and his left wing pals are just applying the accelerator.

64 posted on 10/01/2007 7:11:07 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( Teddy K's 'Immigration Reform Act' of 1965. ¡Grácias, Borracho!)
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To: ichabod1
I often think that we merely delayed the inevitable.

Now what does that mean?

I've learned to feed through the crappy anti-American stuff in everything I watch, these days. And there's alot of it going on in this series. Yes, I do agree with helping to understand our country during those dark war years.

It kinda helps me to understand my little grandmother that went through WWII. She always lived in a very small central Texas town and would come and visit us especially during Christmas. We were in a mall one day, and she started saying very loudly JAPS JAPS JAPS...I tried to calm her down...but she would not have any of it. She was greatly offended by those Asians that she saw in that mall.

65 posted on 10/01/2007 7:11:52 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: american_ranger

I like the series and I think it tells it like it was. 55 years ago, my uncle, who was with the 1st MarDiv on Guadalcanal, told me about taking no Jap prisoners after finding two of his company that had been horribly mutilated. He said, after seeing the mutilated bodies of his two friends, “Never let anyone tell you that a 19-year-old American kid can’t be as mean as anyone else in the world ... because I was.” I think detractors of the mini-series probably have never been in combat.


66 posted on 10/01/2007 7:14:44 PM PDT by JoeGar
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To: american_ranger

Burns hit a new low tonight. His use of counting off of cities firebombed in the same fashion we have all heard before

If your minds need a bit prodding: Dachau, Treblinka, Auschwitz, Monthausen...

The moral equivalency statement without “saying it”


67 posted on 10/01/2007 7:14:54 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Your home for pithy disquistion)
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To: american_ranger

Burns hit a new low tonight. His use of counting off of cities firebombed in the same fashion we have all heard before

If your minds need a bit prodding: Dachau, Treblinka, Auschwitz, Monthausen...

The moral equivalency statement without “saying it”


68 posted on 10/01/2007 7:14:57 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Your home for pithy disquistion)
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To: american_ranger

Burns hit a new low tonight. His use of counting off of cities firebombed in the same fashion we have all heard before

If your minds need a bit prodding: Dachau, Treblinka, Auschwitz, Monthausen...

The moral equivalency statement without “saying it”


69 posted on 10/01/2007 7:14:58 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Your home for pithy disquistion)
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To: ichabod1

“Yeah, at first I was like what, ANOTHER WWII documentary? Now I think we can’t have too many. When these guys are gone, they’re gone.”

My thoughts exactly. I am watching The War and I will watch the rest of the episodes. It fills me with pride. My eldest brother was an enlisted Marine in WW II and reenlisted in the Army as a Second Lieutenant for Korea, where he died.

The reason God created the remote control device was so that those that don’t like what’s on can change the channel or turn the tv off and read a good book. My tv stays on and tuned to PBS.


70 posted on 10/01/2007 7:15:30 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: shield

I mean that despite the enormous and grotesque sacrifices required of our parents, your grandparents, the darkness (evil) seems to be closing in around us anyway.


71 posted on 10/01/2007 7:17:15 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

“The thing I don’t like about the documentary is that they never really explain why we eventually won a particular battle”

But how did it affect race relations in America? Let’s go to Sammy Ito, whose family was imprisoned in an American concentration camp.


72 posted on 10/01/2007 7:17:17 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Your home for pithy disquistion)
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To: american_ranger

You sound surprised. This pissant should stick to baseball and other insignificant stupidities. If he was any good he wouldn’t be on welfare television.


73 posted on 10/01/2007 7:17:37 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Palladin

If Ken Burns is anything, he is redundent. Could cut a third out of the thing by cutting the repetition.


74 posted on 10/01/2007 7:19:23 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Your home for pithy disquistion)
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To: Kenny Bunk

The Left in the US and UK LIKED Stalin. There was no will to go right into another war. We fought a Cold War with the Soviets for nearly 50 years and it took 40 years for some hard core American Commies to agree that Stalin did bad things to people.


75 posted on 10/01/2007 7:20:25 PM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: ichabod1

“Yeah, at first I was like what, ANOTHER WWII documentary? Now I think we can’t have too many. When these guys are gone, they’re gone.”

One of my wife’s uncles is “Shifty” in Band of Brothers. He never said a word about the war until folks came to him about the book that led to the movie. He’s since been to France and the N.O. D-Day Museum. Ironically for a sniper, he’s now nearly blind. And he probably doesn’t have much longer.


76 posted on 10/01/2007 7:20:37 PM PDT by gracesdad
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To: american_ranger

This is spooky. I turned it off at the same time for the same reason. for some reason I thought Burns was older, when I saw hip my first thought was hippie.


77 posted on 10/01/2007 7:21:29 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (")
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To: ichabod1
It'll be stopped. And we'll win. I know it doesn't seem so.

Isa 59:19 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.

78 posted on 10/01/2007 7:21:35 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Palladin
All I heard was a lot of bellyaching by various minority groups...except Hispanics.

My mom is 86 and a WAC vet of WWII 5th Army Headquarters, Forward Echelon. She's been watching it religiously, mostly for memory's sake, but I stopped watching it.

I agree with your assessment. I saw the first three episodes and I got real tired real fast everytime they went back over the race issue.

What part of that was "The Wah"?

79 posted on 10/01/2007 7:22:41 PM PDT by Florida native
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To: american_ranger
I caught about twenty minutes of his segment the other night showing the B-17 missions over Germany. My father flew fifty of those missions and if he were alive, all of 90 years old, he would be out gunning for this jerkoff, as we speak.
80 posted on 10/01/2007 7:23:34 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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