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Thompson says he aims to bring country back to roots
The Marshalltown Times-Republican ^ | October 02, 2007 | Ryan Brinks

Posted on 10/02/2007 8:04:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Though America got where it is today by following a pattern of freedom and prosperity followed, Americans at a present political crossroads may be in danger of choosing instead a path that leads to inevitable demise, said Republican presidential candidate Fred Thompson Monday in Marshalltown.

Thompson, however, advocated adhering to the country’s foundational principles and doing what is right.

“How often, when you do the right thing, it turns out to be good politics too?” he said to a full room at the Tremont on Main.

At the core of his campaign, Thompson said he stands behind a federalism based on the Declaration of Independence’s assertion that individual rights come from God, not government, and the Constitution’s separation of powers.

“I always ask myself, ‘Does government have any business doing something,’” he said.

Thompson also delved into the hot topics of the day, including illegal immigration, taxes and war.

He noted that the United States now allows twice as many immigrants as it did in the early 1990s but emphasized the need for secure borders.

“We all know the wonderful contributions we’ve received from us being a country with open borders. ... From a legal standpoint, we’re still an open and generous nation,” he said. “... But a nation that cannot or will not secure its borders will not remain a sovereign nation. ... Is it going to make it better to become more and more dependant on illegal immigration?”

On taxes, Thompson said the tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 worked and that Congress should continue to offer cuts in the future. What is not working, he said, is the unfair estate tax and unrestrained government spending.

“We’re spending the money of our children and grandchildren who are not even born yet and don’t have a seat at the table,” he said.

He advocated too opening up the health care system to more freedom, choice, personal responsibility and competition rather than plans too heavily relying on employers. The result would be the same quality care at lower costs, he said.

And on the war in Iraq, he said the nation’s greatest need is not to get out as soon as possible but to show the world that America is not weak and fundamentally not divided.

“We need to send the message that we’re willing and able to do what’s necessary on any front,” he said. “... The cause was just, we were just not prepared for what we found there.”

Thompson has made unity, along with security and prosperity, a priority in his campaign for the White House.

“We have a heritage, a history of honorably sacrificing for the greater good,” he said. “We’ve shed more blood for other peoples than any other nation, and we’re proud of that.”

But being the world’s greatest nation comes with responsibility, he also said.


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Supporters of Duncan Hunter, Mike Huckabee, Sam Brownback, Mitt Romney, etc., should read this and other recent articles on Fred and decide if a good electable Federalist conservative is better than Rudy or Hillary.
1 posted on 10/02/2007 8:04:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What you said.

Fred’s got principles and sticks to them. The rest have just a political hat dance.


2 posted on 10/02/2007 8:06:30 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“I always ask myself, ‘Does government have any business doing something,’”

Wish he would have asked this when he was a Senator.

3 posted on 10/02/2007 8:12:48 PM PDT by steelwheels
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To: Tarpon

“Fred’s got principles and sticks to them. The rest have just a political hat dance.”

That is one thing that he shares with a couple of the bottom tier candidates, except that Fred appears to have real ideals plus mainstream poll numbers.


5 posted on 10/02/2007 8:16:08 PM PDT by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Supporters of Duncan Hunter, Mike Huckabee, Sam Brownback, Mitt Romney, etc., should read this and other recent articles on Fred and decide if a good electable Federalist conservative is better than Rudy or Hillary.

They will eventually but right now they are having too much fun bashing Fred and posting laughable polls out of the twilight zone.

6 posted on 10/02/2007 8:17:06 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (He's the coolest thing around, gonna shut HRC down, gonna turn it on, wind it up, blow em out, FDT!)
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To: steelwheels

“Wish he would have asked this when he was a Senator.”

He did when no one else would. That’s why he was on the end of some 99-1 votes.


7 posted on 10/02/2007 8:17:27 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The more I hear him, the better I like him. First question he asks is; “Does the government have any business doing this?”

When would you ever expect to hear that from Romney or Rudy? They have a government plan for everything. Fred’s approach sounds a lot like one I heard several decades back: “Government is not the solution to a problem: Government is the Problem.” - Ronald Reagan

Bush 41 was the first to say government wasn’t so bad, that we should have a kinder and gentler America, as if Reagan had been cruel. Well, Fred is reclaiming the party for the Reaganites who have been in the wilderness for the last 20 years. After 4 years of Jimmy Carter, we got Ronald Reagan. 20 years of Bush-Clinton have set the stage for Fred Thompson. The times have finally met the man. I wish we hadn’t had to wait so long, but I think it will be worth it.


8 posted on 10/02/2007 8:26:40 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: Baynative

Here is a video of Romney in an interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0rcAByKUFM&mode=related&search=


9 posted on 10/02/2007 8:27:44 PM PDT by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Everyone can support their candidate in the primaries, but when it’s all over and done with, and Fred’s the nominee, we all need to get behind him because having Hillary for President would be such a disaster.

</rootytooter>

10 posted on 10/02/2007 8:28:02 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Take the wheel, Fred.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fred strikes me as someone that seeks the Presidency, however, it is not his life’s goal.

Elect me or don’t.

Similar to George Washington …didn’t want to be president, however, If elected I will do my best.

My kind of President.


11 posted on 10/02/2007 8:29:43 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: steelwheels

“I always ask myself, ‘Does government have any business doing something,’”

Wish he would have asked this when he was a Senator”

He did. He was on the losing end of several 99-1 votes because he disapproved of congressional actions that were contrary to his federalist principles.


12 posted on 10/02/2007 8:30:14 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but what has he said about the attack on Rush?


13 posted on 10/02/2007 8:34:49 PM PDT by Lucas McCain (The day may come when the courage of men will fail, but not this day.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ah, but the devil is in the details of how he defines our roots. Apparently he doesn’t define it as “Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech...” And in the interest of homosexual marriage he would amend the constitution to make sure states could alter the God-given definition of family.


14 posted on 10/02/2007 8:36:31 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Oh brother!


15 posted on 10/02/2007 8:38:50 PM PDT by upsdriver (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT!!!!)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
"And in the interest of homosexual marriage he would amend the constitution to make sure states could alter the God-given definition of family."

I'd appreciate it if you would explain how he would amend the constitution to do that? I could have mis-read some of the things he said. Thanks.

16 posted on 10/02/2007 8:52:56 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: upsdriver; doc1019; Brices Crossroads
Oh brother!

No, now...Doc has it right on Fred.

The most telling thing told about Fred is that "he doesn't seem to have that fire in his belly that everyone else does."

Edwards has it, Rudy has it, McQeeg has it, and Hillary certainly has "the fire" (now and in her afterlife!)

So that may not be the best indicator. I think Fred will be just as happy if he doesn't win.

That's who we need.

Like a soldier that cringes on Omaha beach. Has no interest in being there, but will inexplicably crawl into the fire if called upon.

17 posted on 10/02/2007 8:53:04 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He just might have a winning theme here. After all the turmoil of the past few years, brought on by the Demonrats and the MSM, the country might be very much in the mood to “get back to their roots.”


18 posted on 10/02/2007 8:53:19 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (Homeschool like your kids' lives depend on it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I agree. Country music needs to be more traditional like the good old days.


19 posted on 10/02/2007 8:55:54 PM PDT by Reagan79 (Ralph Stanley & The Clinch Mountain Boys)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thompson has made unity, along with security and prosperity, a priority in his campaign for the White House.

Unity with what?

20 posted on 10/02/2007 8:56:37 PM PDT by Perchant
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To: Baynative

When did this happen? Because if it was before 9/11, a LOT of things changed that day, and I’m sure Fred’s views in many areas did as well. I know that happened to *me*, and I’m just an anonymous soccer mom!


21 posted on 10/02/2007 8:58:08 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom, Bible Thumper and Proud to be an American! WIN, FRED, WIN!!!)
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To: doc1019
Fred strikes me as someone that seeks the Presidency, however, it is not his life’s goal.

Elect me or don’t.

Similar to George Washington

And Ronald Reagan.

22 posted on 10/02/2007 9:02:15 PM PDT by JennysCool (Don't taze me, Bro!)
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To: Brices Crossroads
The more I hear him, the better I like him. First question he asks is; “Does the government have any business doing this?”

I like that question much better than the 'government has a role to play' thing that has become a regular phrase in President Bush's vocabulary. I cringe every time I hear those words.

23 posted on 10/02/2007 9:11:13 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: Lucas McCain
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but what has he said about the attack on Rush?

Better to ask "What has any of the candidates said about the attack on Rush?". As far as I know none of them, including Hunter, has said anything. Hunterites are touting what he said back in April about Reid, but he has said nothing on this latest blatant illegal attack on a US citizens 1st amendment rights. Neither has Fred or the rest of the so called conservatives running for office.

24 posted on 10/02/2007 9:17:21 PM PDT by calex59
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To: doc1019
Fred strikes me as someone that seeks the Presidency, however, it is not his life’s goal.

He strikes me as Bob Dole as well.

25 posted on 10/02/2007 9:19:56 PM PDT by byteback
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To: steelwheels

Wish Hunter would have asked himself that question before voting for the bloated 2005 Highway Bill...


26 posted on 10/02/2007 9:28:10 PM PDT by Josh Painter ( "Our government must be limited by the powers delegated to it by the Constitution." - Fred Thompson)
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To: byteback

“He strikes me as Bob Dole as well.”

I have heard that canard repeated by a number of Fred-bashers on this and other threads. It doesn’t make any sense to me. What in the world does Fred Thompson , a quintessential federalist, have in common with Bob Dole, a big government Republican who promoted every program from food stamps to ADA to FACE (Freedom of Access to Clinics Entrance Act). You want to try to associate Fred with Dole because Dole was dull and old. Fred is not dull and is 8 years younger than Dole was when he was the nominee and 4 years younger than Reagan. He has a beautiful wife and two small children. Dole was also a loser, which Fred is not. So, you said Fred struck you as Bob Dole. Why don’t you back it up with some facts, if you are able.


27 posted on 10/02/2007 9:33:57 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Thompson says he aims to bring country back to roots":


28 posted on 10/02/2007 9:38:18 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: Tarpon
Fred’s got principles and sticks to them.

If that is the case, then such steadfastness to principles is a significant recommendation to the Presidency. It is not sufficient, however. My Aunt Myrtle has principles and sticks to them, and she is not Presidential material. A Presidential candidate must have more, such as talent, ability, and a record of achievement. Fred demonstrated very little Presidential type ability and leadership while in the Senate, and those that expect it to suddenly materialize now are likely to experience a succession of disappointments.

A case in point is fundraising. Given FDT's lofty Rasmussen poll numbers, and the pent up demand for a conservative savior, you'd think that FDT would need only strike his rod on the rock, and the money would flow. No, his fundraising lagged behind his rivals, who do not have FDT's untapped sources. Which ever way you turn, when FDT is called upon to perform, it turns out underwhelming. Adherence to principles gains adherents on FR, and has helped FDT's poll numbers. A campaign needs an active, resolute and able candidate to sustain itself. And FDT's campaign doesn't have one.

29 posted on 10/02/2007 9:55:45 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Perchant

>>>Unity with what?<<<

Another Thompson platitude. Ask him, and it will probably have something to do with apple pie.


30 posted on 10/02/2007 9:57:34 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: Plutarch
Yeah, let's jump on the Slick Willard bandwagon so we can have a candidate with lots of money (much of it from his own pocket) who's been languishing at about 10% in the polls, getting drubbed by McCain and a guy who can't raise any money and may die at any moment, at least according to the Mittites, and is in competition with nanny-stater/ clown Huckabee to remain a top-tier candidate.

Sounds like a winner! /sarc

31 posted on 10/02/2007 10:11:01 PM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: byteback
He strikes me as Bob Dole as well.

Totally.

32 posted on 10/02/2007 10:14:04 PM PDT by Spiff (<------ Mitt Romney Supporter (Don't tase me, bro!) Go Mitt! www.mittromney.com)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Excellent summary bump!


33 posted on 10/02/2007 10:17:44 PM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: Eastbound

That’s the new BS smear angle his detractors have cooked up.

Dobson is a moron.


34 posted on 10/02/2007 10:20:45 PM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: Plutarch
A campaign needs an active, resolute and able candidate to sustain itself. And FDT's campaign doesn't have one.Oh what a load of crap! (that line and the rest of your post)
35 posted on 10/02/2007 10:28:54 PM PDT by torchthemummy (Democrat's Support Of The Military: "Invincible In Peace-Invisible In War")
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To: sam_paine

It’s known as being honest with oneself.

Fred Thompson, Abraham Lincoln;

very similar statesmen.

We’re due.


36 posted on 10/02/2007 10:31:30 PM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: Reagan79

Oh, I dunno.

Someone said Allison Krauss could sing directions to the post office and it would put listeners in heaven. I agree.


37 posted on 10/02/2007 10:33:48 PM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: Plutarch
You drank that media koolaid? Did it not occur to you that FDT’s organization started only three weeks ago and has raised more $$$ in that time than any others?

Did you bother to look at the time frame? Or were you content to allow the press monkeys spoon feed you their poison?

38 posted on 10/02/2007 10:38:49 PM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: Spiff

Your delusion continues.


39 posted on 10/02/2007 10:39:59 PM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is a fantastic article. I’ve noticed that Fred has gotten a lot of great coverage from the local press focussing on the issues and Fred’s proposals. It is the national press that has focussed on the horserace itself and how well Fred is supposedly doing within the context of the expectations game. If Fred can figure out how to get articles and analysis like the one on this thread in front of the voters I believe he will make the sale to the American people.


40 posted on 10/02/2007 11:02:16 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Hostage
"Dobson is a moron."

Assume you mean James Dobson. What's he going to do?

41 posted on 10/03/2007 1:01:30 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Supporters of Duncan Hunter, Mike Huckabee, Sam Brownback, Mitt Romney, etc., should read this and other recent articles on Fred and decide if a good electable Federalist conservative is better than Rudy or Hillary."


“We all know the wonderful contributions we’ve received from us being a country with open borders"


This unfreekingbelievable, ridiculous statement sounds like it could have come straight from the mouth of Rudy or Hillary or any of the other media-deemed "electable" top tier RHINOs.

Illegal Alien Welfare Costs Exceed $35 million. Total Annual Cost for Illegals exceeds $1 billion. yeah, that's some contribution, Fred.
42 posted on 10/03/2007 1:15:40 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (Support Duncan Hunter in YOUR State....http://duncanhunter.meetup.com/1/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
At the core of his campaign, Thompson said he stands behind a federalism based on the Declaration of Independence’s assertion that individual rights come from God, not government, and the Constitution’s separation of powers.

“I always ask myself, ‘Does government have any business doing something,’” he said.

Here is the major difference between "Presiding" and "Dictating".

Are any of the other candidates, from either party, talking about how they will "Preside", or just saying "what I intend to do is ..."?

43 posted on 10/03/2007 1:21:20 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Kimberly GG

Kimberly:

I’m sure you realize that Fred Thompson was referring to history (i.e., Ellis Island) with that statement, but you are trying to paint Fred as an “open-borders” RINO like Romney, Huckabee or Giuliani. Shame on you!


44 posted on 10/03/2007 1:33:42 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“you are trying to paint Fred as an “open-borders” RINO like Romney, Huckabee or Giuliani.”

‘If the shoe fits’....

I don’t normally comment in a personal way about Freepers, but what simply amazes me is that while you consistently and admirably have opposed illegal immigration and advocate for the effective security of our borders, you willingly ignore the obvious when it comes to Fred. If he is elected 2DV, I believe you are going to be greatly disappointed when he handles the problem no differently than any of the other ‘moderate’ Republican candidates. Our battle to prevent the OBL/CFR agenda for a mass amnesty, to get our borders effectively secured, and to stop the SPP/NAU will continue or be lost. Perhaps its just not a priority of yours, but it is mine.


45 posted on 10/03/2007 1:55:30 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (Support Duncan Hunter in YOUR State....http://duncanhunter.meetup.com/1/)
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To: Kimberly GG

Fred repeatedly has called for an end to illegal immigration.

Any other claim is a falsehood.

Now, you’re not going to propagate this falsehood any longer.

I will hunt you down.


46 posted on 10/03/2007 3:11:14 AM PDT by Enduring Freedom (There are NO gays in Iran)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Nice article about FRed. Wish he had substituted “legal immigrants” in the sentence about “open borders.” We all know he’s talking about immigration through Ellis Island. But “open borders” has NEVER been a good idea.
47 posted on 10/03/2007 3:36:42 AM PDT by upchuck (Hildabeaste as Prez... unimaginable, devastating misery!)
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To: Kimberly GG

I was at this event. I can tell you that he is clearly spoke against illegal immigration. The newspaper did not quote every word that he said.


48 posted on 10/03/2007 3:49:05 AM PDT by carra
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To: Enduring Freedom
"Fred repeatedly has called for an end to illegal immigration. Any other claim is a falsehood. Now, you’re not going to propagate this falsehood any longer. I will hunt you down."


LMAO...you must have forgotten your /sarc tag. If not, you won't have to look very far for me. I am passionately opposed to illegal immigration/amnesty of ANY kind/open borders/and the bipartisan OBL/CFR agenda for the SPP/NAU and will expose ANYONE, especially a candidate, who even hints of anything less. Calling for an "end to illegal immigration" means nothing, as Fred has either feigned ignorance or repeatedly spoken out of both sides of his mouth on these issues and his arguments and reasoning are weak, at best. As is his voting record. IMO, those who choose to ignore it are either uninformed or part of the problem.


"As recently as 2006, Mr. Thompson clearly stated that some sort of legalization — or "amnesty" — would be necessary. He seems to be for a virtual border fence (like President Bush) instead of a brick-and-mortar one. And he doesn't want tough sanctions for employers.

This all puts Mr. Thompson roughly in line with Rudy Giuliani.

On a path to citizenship: "[B]ecause we allowed ourselves to wait until we woke up one day and found 12 million illegals here, there's no easy solution. And I think that you have to realize that you're either going to drive 12 million people underground permanently, which is not a good solution. You're going to get them all together and get them out of the country, which is not going to happen. Or you're going to have to, in some way, work out a deal where they can have some aspirations of citizenship, but not make it so easy that it's unfair to the people waiting in line and abiding by the law." (Fox News' "Hannity & Colmes," 4/3/06)

On the problems with cracking down on employers: "We haven't enforced the law, in terms of employers. … For 20 years, we've not enforced the law, and that's a part of the problem. You can't enforce it all on the backs of the employers. People falsify information that they give employers and all that. That's not a solution to the problem." (Fox News' "Hannity & Colmes," 4/3/06)

On his skepticism of a brick-and-mortar border fence: FOX's ALAN COLMES: "You don't put up a fence, either, do you? Is that bad neighbor policy, put a fence up?" THOMPSON: "If it would work. I mean, I don't know – that's a technical problem. In this day and age, I would not think you would have to use bricks and mortar to get that job done. But we ought to do everything that we can to get it done to the extent that we can and then, as I say, I think people would be willing to take a look at the rest of the problem, what we do with the problem that we created." (Fox News' "Hannity & Colmes," 4/3/06)

On enforcement first: "We woke up one day after years of neglect and apparently discovered that we have somewhere between 12 million and 20 million illegal aliens in this country. So it became an impossible situation to deal with. I mean, there's really no good solution. So what do you do? You have to start over. Well, I'm concerned about the next 12 million or 20 million. So that's why enforcement, and enforcement at the border, has to be primary." (Fox's "Fox News Sunday," 3/11/07) On not rounding up illegal immigrants: "You know, if you have the right kind of policies, and you're not encouraging people to come here and encouraging them to stay once they're here, they'll go back, many of them, of their own volition, instead of having to, you know, load up moving vans and rounding people up. That's not going to happen." (Fox's "Fox News Sunday," 3/11/07)
49 posted on 10/03/2007 4:27:52 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (Support Duncan Hunter in YOUR State....http://duncanhunter.meetup.com/1/)
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To: sam_paine
Like a soldier that cringes on Omaha beach. Has no interest in being there, but will inexplicably crawl into the fire if called upon.
Excellent analogy. I like it. And I agree that is the type of person I want as president. Not a life-time candidate, like many or most of the others.
50 posted on 10/03/2007 4:44:24 AM PDT by samtheman
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