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Social Conservatives Will Run Third Party Candidate If GOP Nominates Abortion Supporter
Life Site ^ | October 2, 2007 | Hilary White

Posted on 10/02/2007 9:45:47 PM PDT by Coleus

"If the Republican Party nominates a pro-abortion candidate we will consider running a third-party candidate." So said a group of prominent U.S. social conservatives  alarmed at the possibility that the Republicans will nominate the pro-gay "marriage" and pro-abortion Rudolph Giuliani for President.  The New York Times reports the statement came from a break-away group at a meeting Saturday of the Council for National Policy in Salt Lake City. The statement comes as Giuliani is making a strong showing in the polls as the Republican candidate choice.

Giuliani has long held the "personally opposed but" position on abortion adopted by many Catholic political candidates supportive of abortion. This position, known as the "Cuomo dodge," was first formulated by the notorious abortion supporter and congressman-priest, Fr. Robert Drinan, and popularised in 1984 by then-New York Governor Mario Cuomo. The position has been denounced as a "deal with the devil" by faithful Catholics.  Giuliani told a group of Republican voters in South Carolina in April, "Ultimately I believe it's an individual right and a woman should make that choice." He previously stated that although he "personally opposed" abortion, "you have to leave that to a disagreement of conscience, and you have to respect the choice that somebody makes."

The conservative group at the Salt Lake City meeting included Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family and Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council. The group told media they had not yet identified a candidate but that most of the participants of the smaller meeting supported the resolution.  Conservative activist Richard Viguerie, one of the meeting's participants said the issue is "beyond abortion", though that is the most visible issue. "There's a general feeling among social conservatives, as well as economic conservatives, that they have been betrayed by the Republican Party," Viguerie said.  Conservatives have warned that a Giuliani nomination could split the Republican party, in which social conservatives represent a major voting bloc, thus guaranteeing a win for the Democrat candidate. Most Republican conservatives believe that infamous abortion militant Hillary Clinton will take the Democrat nomination.

Read related LifeSiteNews.com coverage:

Rudy Giuliani Tells South Carolina Conservatives: I'm personally opposed to abortion but it's a woman's choice

Denver Archbishop: Catholic Politician's Abortion Compromise a "Deal with the Devil"
Bishop Blasts Rudy Guiliani Position on Abortion as "Pathetic", "Confusing", "Hypocritical"

Giuliani Outrages Conservatives With "Get Beyond" Abortion Snipe
Giuliani Does Abortion-Adoption Dance for GOP Voters
Lightning Cuts Off Mic Twice During Giuliani's Defense of Abortion Support


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KEYWORDS: 2008; abortion; catholic; clinton; conservative; dobson; giuliani; homosexualagenda; humanlife; killing; proabortion; prolife; republican; rudy08; socialconservatives
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Will the Real Rudy show up at CPAC?
1 posted on 10/02/2007 9:45:54 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

Debunked

The “blackball” meeting that didn’t happen [James Dobson, Third Party Candidate-not true]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1904949/posts

MacRanger ^ | September 30th, 2007 | Macsmind

Posted on 10/01/2007 9:51:01 AM PDT by shield

How do I know? I’m related to a member of the council. If the “anonymous” individual wants to contact me, feel free.

UPDATE: While many news orgs and blogs are picking up on the story (meme),the fact is that the story is still false.

Posted by Macranger on Sunday, September 30th, 2007 at 5:44 pm.


2 posted on 10/02/2007 9:49:20 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Coleus
You might as well vote for Hillary.

No doubt the liberals would help finance your efforts just to siphon more votes away from electable Republicans.

3 posted on 10/02/2007 9:51:06 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Coleus
You might as well vote for Hillary.

No doubt the liberals would help finance your efforts just to siphon more votes away from electable Republicans.

4 posted on 10/02/2007 9:51:17 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Coleus

“The group told media they had not yet identified a candidate “

They must be blind.

They should “identify” Duncan Hunter!!!!!!!!!!!


5 posted on 10/02/2007 9:55:56 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Coleus

What good would a third party run do for anyone?


6 posted on 10/02/2007 9:58:37 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: ZULU

I actually detest one issue voters...... we live on planet earth not your own private plastic bubble...


7 posted on 10/02/2007 9:58:48 PM PDT by Republic Rocker
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To: Coleus

Since when have political parties been bonded with steel liquid nail anyway ? They bond for a short period of time to beat down an issue or to slap an opponet . That’s it .
How can a mortal be with God and be in politics without selling his soul and his ass ?


8 posted on 10/02/2007 10:01:56 PM PDT by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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To: Rudder

“What good would a third party run do for anyone?”

Well I think it would make Hillary pretty dam& happy.


9 posted on 10/02/2007 10:03:20 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Coleus
All I can say is that were I as Democrat strategist, I’d be big time behind Rudy. If I were running Hillary’s campaign I’d be sending every extra dollar and idle campaign worker his way.
A Hillary Vs Rudy 2008 mudfest, yuck.
10 posted on 10/02/2007 10:03:38 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (When the government fears the People= Liberty. When the People fear the Government =Tyranny)
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To: Rudder

Not a da*n thing...we’re going to principle ourselves into another Clinton presidency...


11 posted on 10/02/2007 10:04:28 PM PDT by sofaman ("Chopsticks are one of the reasons the Chinese never invented custard.")
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To: sofaman

I was on another thread earlier with third party wack jobs.
They would rather have Hitlerly win so they can spend the next 4 yrs. bit*****


12 posted on 10/02/2007 10:09:49 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: sofaman

Ah, come on. No one could be that stupid.


13 posted on 10/02/2007 10:10:52 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: All

Hillary Clinton will be the next President of the United States of America and she will be the Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces. The super Conservatives on FR have assured all of us of that. Welcome to the new USofA: 24/7 fully subsidized abortion mills... No questions asked.


14 posted on 10/02/2007 10:12:37 PM PDT by avacado
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To: avacado

Hillary Clinton will be the next President of the United States of America and she will be the Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces.

Butch up man ! Whatever happened to that great American espirit ?


15 posted on 10/02/2007 10:19:55 PM PDT by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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To: SoCalPol
and blaming everyone but themselves...

Good to see you, SoCal...

16 posted on 10/02/2007 10:21:01 PM PDT by sofaman ("Chopsticks are one of the reasons the Chinese never invented custard.")
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To: Coleus

Fools, they need to get off their backsides, and promote another candidate to take Rudy out in the primarys. If they feel like they’ve been sold out by the Republican Party, they need to get off their backsides, get involved, and straighten the party out.


17 posted on 10/02/2007 10:21:24 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: Rudder

pfffttt, right. After all the strategy worked exceptionally well in the last election...didn’t it?


18 posted on 10/02/2007 10:22:23 PM PDT by sofaman ("Chopsticks are one of the reasons the Chinese never invented custard.")
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To: c-b 1

ditto that


19 posted on 10/02/2007 10:23:27 PM PDT by sofaman ("Chopsticks are one of the reasons the Chinese never invented custard.")
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To: dorben

What I don’t understand is people, who in one sentence say that Rudy is the one that can beat Hillary - but in the next breath, say that conservatives that won’t vote for him will be responsible for Hillary being elected President.

I’m sorry, but I fail to see the logic there. That means Rudy ISN’T the candidate that can win - doesn’t it?


20 posted on 10/02/2007 10:25:47 PM PDT by alicewonders (Duncan Hunter. Seriously.)
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To: sofaman
Not a da*n thing...we’re going to principle ourselves into another Clinton presidency...

I've voted for a few candidates that have lost at state and national levels, and let me tell you - it's better to lose on principle than win on compromise. Every time.

Not that I would vote for Rudy whether he stood for abortion or against it anyway, just pointing that out.
21 posted on 10/02/2007 10:32:10 PM PDT by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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To: arderkrag
I've voted for a few candidates that have lost at state and national levels, and let me tell you - it's better to lose on principle than win on compromise. Every time.

That's your opinion.

It isn't mine, and I've voted a lot myself.

Fred Thompson's my choice and I'd much rather win with John McCain than lose to Hillary Clinton by voting third party.

22 posted on 10/02/2007 10:37:36 PM PDT by Chunga (Conservatives Don't Let Democrats Win Elections. They Vote Republican.)
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To: Coleus

How about Pat Robertson? Hes a whacko but he’s on the good side as far as abortion goes. Its all about principle...


23 posted on 10/02/2007 10:40:05 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: alicewonders

He can win because enough folks want what they can get from the elected instead of voting for what or who will best lead the Republic . If you think out of the box then it is your ( our ) fault .

Just stand on your convictions . God . Country . Family .


24 posted on 10/02/2007 10:40:50 PM PDT by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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To: Chunga; sofaman

The Liberturds are coming out from under their rocks
since people are wise to L Ron Paul and his anti war, anti Israel views, the Liberturds are trying to divide Republicans so any of the anti war candidates will win.


25 posted on 10/02/2007 10:43:42 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: Chunga

If you vote your conscience, you haven’t lost. It’s that simple. My party wins very rarely, and then only locally, but they reflect my beliefs. Should I vote for the “good ol’ boy” Republicans around here that are actually just Republicans so they can get votes? Of course not! Regardless of what few gains I may make, the losses are worse, one of them being that I have to look at myself in the mirror and say, “You helped make it this way” when those “conservatives” support liberal or authoritarian legislation. A vote for a third party is not wasted, it is what you believe.


26 posted on 10/02/2007 10:46:05 PM PDT by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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To: arderkrag
admirable....

see, here's my reasoning. I will NOT allow Hillary Clinton to become POTUS without one helluva fight. The woman is dangerous, particularly considering the times in which we live.

The principle here is whether or not she becomes POTUS...Rudy Giuliani would have zero effect on Roe V wade...the Courts will decide that.

Ditto on the 2nd Amendment..particularly since he has already stipulated that he would appoint judges in the mold of Sam Alito and Chief justice Roberts...and, yes, I believe him, even though he is not my first or second choice.

The fact remains, he is a far cry from Hillary Clinton...and the statement that I have seen so often that he is "Hillary-lite" is just so much hyperbole.

27 posted on 10/02/2007 10:47:59 PM PDT by sofaman ("Chopsticks are one of the reasons the Chinese never invented custard.")
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To: sofaman
The fact remains, he is a far cry from Hillary Clinton...and the statement that I have seen so often that he is "Hillary-lite" is just so much hyperbole.

Oh, absolutely. I simply won't vote for him just to keep her out of office. It's a difference of mindset - I've never voted "against" anyone. I vote for people.
28 posted on 10/02/2007 10:54:48 PM PDT by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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To: Republic Rocker; Rudder; sofaman; Reagan Man; LibLieSlayer; Liz
It would be nice if it were only 1 issue with Rudy.

It ain't and each of you posters no it!

He is on the wrong side of the following issues, as has been pointed out ad nauseum on this site:

1. Abortion 2. Gun Rights 3. Gay Agenda 4. Fiscal Issues (Increased the size of government dramatically and left a huge deficit when he left office)

And may I add that his so-called WOT experience is a bunch of speeches and attending funerals, which I applaud, but really doesn't amount to much. He is no stronger than most of the other candidates on this issue.

So nice try with the "one-issus voters" slander. It actually a good try on your parts of projection. It is actually Rudy supporters WHO are one-issue voters, the WOT!

Oh and one last parting comment:

The Life issue trumps all else. If your society's culture does not stand for the most basic of all morals and human rights, it is not worth defending. People who are willing to sacrifice this fight because they think they can win by doing so are sick in their souls and not worthy to be put in positions of leadership!
29 posted on 10/02/2007 10:59:26 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: arderkrag

A vote for a third party is not wasted, it is what you believe.

Bump to that and I tip my hat off to you for taking the time for at least trying to educate the status quo cheerleading squad .


30 posted on 10/02/2007 11:00:00 PM PDT by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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To: avacado

I agree with you; conservatives are super and we need a whole lot more of them. So let’s get them out in force!


31 posted on 10/02/2007 11:01:53 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (WWII. "I built a slit trench, a mortar shell came in one side and blew me out the other")
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To: sofaman; Reagan Man; LibLieSlayer
"Ditto on the 2nd Amendment..particularly since he has already stipulated that he would appoint judges in the mold of Sam Alito and Chief justice "

This little lie has been exposed multiple times here on FreeRepublic. When Rudy said this, he included Ruth Bader Ginsburg as an example of a good consitutionlist type of judge. Either he is a complete idiot or he thinks we are complete idiots!
32 posted on 10/02/2007 11:02:42 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie
I agree. It irks the heck out of me when many on here oppose Rudy because of any one particular issue. That is absolutely outragous--as one should always look at the 'big picture'.

It ridiculous to oppose him because of one single issue,,,,because if you take a step back,,,,take a deep breath,,,,and closely examine Rudy's positions on everything across the board,,,

THERE ARE SO DARN MANY OTHER REASONS TO STRONGLY OPPOSE HIM!!!!!!

33 posted on 10/02/2007 11:03:20 PM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will ENERGIZE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: sofaman
"The fact remains, he is a far cry from Hillary Clinton...and the statement that I have seen so often that he is "Hillary-lite" is just so much hyperbole"

Well, not hardly! If we take his own statements like when he states that his positions on the issues are almost identical to Clinton's it kind of negates your statement.

If you can't believe Rudy about Rudy, who are we going to believe?

You?

34 posted on 10/02/2007 11:07:58 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: dorben
A vote for a third party is not wasted, it is what you believe.

What good does it do for anybody?

35 posted on 10/02/2007 11:14:49 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: SoConPubbie

So, put a great big banner in your front yard affirming your pro-life position and vote to win the election. Voting third party will do nothing good for the pro-life movement.


36 posted on 10/02/2007 11:18:31 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: Rudder

As an educated man you must know in your mind that a 3rd party has to evolve and it will not do so without support right ?

Let’s get past the obvious and let me ask you why do you continue to vote for the status quo cycle after cycle ?


37 posted on 10/02/2007 11:26:06 PM PDT by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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To: Coleus; All

Oh great! Just what we need - a party split.

Remember what the last split got us ..?? 8 YEARS OF BUBBA!!

Do we have to repeat such a stupid act ..??

Do we really want another 8 YEARS OF BUBBA ..??

Give me a break!


38 posted on 10/02/2007 11:26:11 PM PDT by CyberAnt (America: THE GREATEST FORCE for good in the world!)
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To: dorben

I vote to win the election, not to marry the candidate. The so-called status quo candidates are those who are winning primaries. Why vote for someone who doesn’t have a chance in hell of winning? If it’s all about principle, run a big ad in the NYT professing your principles. That’ll get you more mileage than an obscure vote.


39 posted on 10/02/2007 11:35:17 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: Rudder

>>run a big ad in the NYT<<

.......they raised their rates, I’ve heard.........


40 posted on 10/02/2007 11:54:19 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: Coleus

I think it is a mistake to think that social conservatives will all do the same thing or that there is some monolithic leader that speaks for all of us. There are:

1) some who have become discouraged by 12 years of GOP cowardice on social conservative issues when they’ve had the chance to govern. They may sit ‘08 out if there’s no candidate to their liking.

2) some who are satisfied with what Republicans have done as “the best they could get” and will support their nominee without reservation.

3) some who are mad and want a party more responsive to their wishes. Those would be the ones most likely to bolt to a third party.

If a pro-abortion, pro-homosexual candidate like Giuliani is the nominee, I think you’ll see some fall into all three camps. The question is how many will go to each. I honestly think that’s why Giuliani cannot win the nomination because too many Republicans will see what a liability he will be to a large segment of the the base who will either stay home or vote third-party.

There is a third party called the Constitution Party already in place for those ready to bolt. The social conservative wing need not invent a third party because one already exists.

I’m pretty sure I can hold my nose and support Romney or Thompson though I have misgivings about each. I’m sure I would never support McCain (not for social issues but his general treachery). Giuliani will probably put me in the unsupportable column the more he fleshes out his social agenda but I’m not ready to say yet that I’d never support him. Those who believe conservatives staying home/voting third party is an empty threat should think again. Many will stay but many will bolt - too many for the GOP to win the general election.


41 posted on 10/03/2007 12:11:49 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (No Third Term For Bill Clinton!)
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To: Rudder

So are you trying to sell me on the short term t-bill or the sub prime mortgage note here ?

Why vote for someone who doesn’t have a chance in hell of winning?

The short version is because I’m not fearful of conviction . What I do is alienate myself from the people who are the rah rah my guy types . As far as I am concerned Mr. Rudder , a vote for the so - called status quo as you put it is a wasted vote .


42 posted on 10/03/2007 12:16:18 AM PDT by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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To: arderkrag

“Should I vote for the “good ol’ boy” Republicans around here that are actually just Republicans so they can get votes? “

No, you work for the people that will best represent you. If you want representation *and* influence in the State Capitol and Washington, you’d better make sure that good Republicans are running by getting involved at the grass roots level. And sticking to them, pushing them to remain good Republicans.

Look at what we did in our State Rep district: oust the RINO incumbent, a woman who barely veiled her pro-abortion leanings and never saw a big government money/ campaign finance reform plan she didn’t like.

The kicker is getting good men and women to run in the first place - unfortunately that takes big money from the beginning to convince the candidate and to get the momentum going. Our new Rep won the primary by 50 votes out of over 20,000 votes total, largely by getting the home schoolers and fundamental Christians behind him: going door to door, winning votes. But he was able to start because of a backer with big money.

Find that good Republican and help him or her raise money.


43 posted on 10/03/2007 12:17:03 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: Coleus
My prediction for 2008 is that, barring a self financed billionaire, 99% of the vote will go to the Republican and democrat candidates. The other 1% will be split between various disaffected conservatives, liberals, Socialists, Libertarians, Greens etc.

There will be a 1 point margin of error.

44 posted on 10/03/2007 12:53:54 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: CzarNicky

Kind of what the “Pass The Last Judgement/Get Into Heaven” ratio is going to look like, I ‘spose.


45 posted on 10/03/2007 12:56:31 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Visit this thread 1-hour from now. In that time, an average of 416.6 more ILLEGALS will be in the US)
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To: Republic Rocker

Like the (”one issue”) question of “Slavery” in our own American History?


46 posted on 10/03/2007 12:58:13 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Visit this thread 1-hour from now. In that time, an average of 416.6 more ILLEGALS will be in the US)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

If you believe in that sort of thing.


47 posted on 10/03/2007 1:00:14 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

You gotta be impressed by the sheer audacity.


48 posted on 10/03/2007 1:10:43 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: SoConPubbie
darth vader ginsburg is not even a true American... she hates the Constitution as it was written... and darth vader ginsburg’s soul belongs to hildebeast's daddy... satan!

LLS

49 posted on 10/03/2007 3:21:08 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Republic Rocker
I actually detest one issue voters...... we live on planet earth not your own private plastic bubble...

Right. Other than the Holocaust, the Third Reich was a marvelous success. /sarcasm off/

50 posted on 10/03/2007 3:21:27 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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