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27% of Republicans Would Vote for Pro-Life Third Party Instead of Giuliani (Proof Rudy CAN'T Win)
Rasmussen Reports ^ | 10-4-07 | Rasmussen Reports

Posted on 10/04/2007 9:38:23 AM PDT by TitansAFC

If Rudy Giuliani wins the Republican nomination and a third party campaign is backed by Christian conservative leaders, 27% of Republican voters say they’d vote for the third party option rather than Giuliani. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that a three-way race with Hillary Clinton would end up with the former First Lady getting 46% of the vote, Giuliani with 30% and the third-party option picking up 14%. In head-to-head match-ups with Clinton, Giuliani is much more competitive.

Over this past weekend, several Christian conservative leaders indicated they might back a pro-life, third-party, candidate if Giuliani wins the nomination.

The latest poll highlights the potential challenges for Giuliani, but the numbers must be considered in context. A generic third-party candidate may attract 14% of the vote in the abstract at this time. However, if a specific candidate is chosen, that person would likely attract less support due to a variety of factors. Almost all third party candidates poll higher earlier in a campaign and their numbers diminish as election day approaches. Ultimately, of course, some Republicans would have to face the question of whether to vote for Giuliani or help elect a Democrat.

The telephone survey found that 17% of Republicans believe it’s Very Likely conservative leaders would back a Pro-Life candidate if Giuliani is nominated. Another 32% believe it is Somewhat Likely. Among all voters, 22% think a third party approach is Very Likely and another 33% say it’s Somewhat Likely.

Most Republican voters consider themselves Pro-Life on the issue of Abortion. Most Democrats and Unaffiliated Voters are Pro-Choice.

The bigger question for Giuliani might be how this possible challenge from the right might affect perceptions of his electability. Currently, Giuliani is seen as the most electable Republican candidate which helps overcome concerns that some have about his ideology. A survey conducted earlier this month found that 72% of Republicans think Giuliani is at least Somewhat Likely to win the White House if nominated. However, the current survey finds that number falling to 58% if Christian conservatives back a third-party option.

With a third-party option on the table, only 18% of Republicans believe Giuliani would be Very Likely to win the election if nominated. That’s down from 31% in a two-way race.

Among all voters, 49% say Giuliani is at least Somewhat Likely to win a two-way match-up. That falls to 43% with a third party candidate in the mix.

Electability is a crucial issue for Giuliani because two-thirds of Republican voters seen him as politically moderate or liberal. That is a challenge unto itself in a political party where most primary voters consider themselves politically conservative. Fred Thompson is currently viewed as the most conservative candidate in the field.

Three of the last four Presidential elections have seen a candidate win with less than 50% of the total votes cast. If Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic Presidential nomination, there is a very reasonable possibility that neither major party candidate would top the 50% mark in Election 2008. With such a scenario, third party candidates on either side of the political spectrum could play a significant role by peeling away one or two percentage points of the vote.

Clinton is currently leading the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination, but her victory is not inevitable. Among Republicans, Thompson and Giuliani lead in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.

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To: TitansAFC

I know its easier to live in a world of black and white than have to made a choice among less than perfect alternatives. Really I do. I prefer making the easy choices too.

In the bubble that is FR, a lot of folks don’t realize that exactly the same thing is going on over on the Dem side. We regard Hillary as a radical socialist, but (believe it or not) for many of them she’s way too conservative, pro-business, and pro-war. Yet, thus far, I haven’t heard any anti-war candidate talk seriously about mounting a third party challenge. They understand what is at stake. When we understand it, then we will deserve to win.


201 posted on 10/04/2007 11:42:54 AM PDT by NKStarr
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To: Hydroshock

“I would rather put up with Hitlary for 4 years then rip the prolife plank out of the republican platform by electing Rino Rudy. IF he I nominated I am going thired party.”

Hydro, The spawn of Arlen Spector could be the nominee and the prolife plank will still remain. Split the Repub party and say goodbye to the 2nd Am., the military, maleness, and say hello to a further cultural infusion of homosexual acceptability, preferencial treatment, higher taxes, Jesse Jackson, the NEA, NOW, the acceleration of the feminization of our boys, Hollywood carte blanche...


202 posted on 10/04/2007 11:43:21 AM PDT by HockeyPop
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To: Ol' Sparky
You don't know that for a fact. But it is fact that Hillary Clinton would not appoint any judge willing to overturn Roe V. Wade.
203 posted on 10/04/2007 11:43:49 AM PDT by Stars&StripesNE (Liberals are the enemy within)
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To: TitansAFC; P-Marlowe; pissant
Ultimately, of course, some Republicans would have to face the question of whether to vote for Giuliani or help elect a Democrat.

What a biased comment!

Why not say, "Ultimately, of course, some Republicans would have to face the question of whether to vote NOMINATE for Giuliani or AND help elect a Democrat."

204 posted on 10/04/2007 11:44:07 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Dudoight
Here we go again. Conservative third party puts another Clinton in the White House.

Smart move.


Here we go again. The GOP alienates conservatives by abandoning conservative principles to appease and compromise with the socialist left and then blames the end result on Conservatives.

Smart move.
205 posted on 10/04/2007 11:44:12 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: HockeyPop

We will get about the same with Rino Rudy.


206 posted on 10/04/2007 11:46:03 AM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: TitansAFC

abortion has and will kill many more Americans than terrorism has or will and thats alright with Giuliani.


207 posted on 10/04/2007 11:47:09 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: All

The main question for the 2008 elections is whether or not the American people want to elect a socialist who will install a socialist government and implement socialist policies.

Proof there won’t be any third party candidate — Perot was a fluke and Bloomberg found no support. Bloomberg was Hillary Matters “Perot”, got to get the winning vote under 50% so a Democrat could win.


208 posted on 10/04/2007 11:47:19 AM PDT by Tarpon
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To: joonbug
"Like a Ginsburg or Breyer or a Janet Reno?"

Of course not. I much prefer a Republican appointed Souter or Stevens like you apparently do. /s

209 posted on 10/04/2007 11:47:30 AM PDT by penowa
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To: Bob J
Is it just me

Yes, its just you.

Reagan actually won in spite of REPUBLICAN John Anderson splitting the GOP. Peeling off all the liberal republican votes. Reagan won with conservatives. Republican and Democrat.

GWB won because Nader calved off enough of Gore's votes to make a difference in several key states.

LOL! Bogus. Try Buchanan's Independence Party and the other parties also again peeling votes from the GOP. W won in spite of that. With razor-thin margins in many middle states, winning or losing... the third parties cut both ways. Maybe not always equally, but your views are clearly revisionist and frankly devoid of merit. You must not have lived through the elections of the 70's and 80s and don't know what a struggle conservatism has had to gain ascendancy within the GOP...which has only been lost due to betrayal !

As for what you are imputing to me:

.exactly what you're planning on doing, in reverse, but neither do you see or are willing to admit it

Can't and won't admit what I am not DOING. I want a housecleaning of the GOP, to restore the Reagan Conservative majority...and oust every single CFR enemy of that coalition of nationalists.

210 posted on 10/04/2007 11:47:58 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: TitansAFC
A survey conducted earlier this month found that 72% of Republicans think Giuliani is at least Somewhat Likely to win the White House if nominated. However, the current survey finds that number falling to 58% if Christian conservatives back a third-party option.

I will not vote for Rudy whether there's a third party or not.

It's so close that he doesn't need to lose 14% of the vote to lose to Hillary. He needs to lose only about 2-3%. And he will lose that.

211 posted on 10/04/2007 11:48:04 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: chuckles
Fortunately I am not a one issue voter. I try to look at the big picture. Rudy isn't my first choice, but he would get my vote over any Democrat running.

Look outside the box...... It will be Hillary if the GOP splits and votes on the pro-life issue as their main qualifier for who they pull the lever for.

I think the war on terror should be the main issue in the next election. If Hillary gets in, we may not survive as a nation.

212 posted on 10/04/2007 11:48:04 AM PDT by Stars&StripesNE (Liberals are the enemy within)
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To: Dudoight
Good thinking. You don’t care if Hillary wins. That says it all!

Ah yes, let's blindly vote for a socialist in the GOP instead of a socialist in the Demorat party. Great Strategy.
213 posted on 10/04/2007 11:48:26 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Ol' Sparky
McCain was the running as moderate and attack Christian conservatives. McCain was the one trying to lure independents to vote for him because conservatives were backing Bush. Bush was viewed as the conservative in the 2000 primaries

Essentially correct, but I would replace that label "moderate" with the more accurate, LIBERAL. Bush was also definitely out-flanked on the conservative side of the ledger badly by Alan Keyes who dramatically outed both the other two. But due to his failed efforts at fund-raising he could not compete.

Wish it weren't that way. But that was the way it went down.

214 posted on 10/04/2007 11:51:38 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Bob J

The Republicans need to win CA, and NY to win Presidential elections? Where did you come up with that?


215 posted on 10/04/2007 11:52:33 AM PDT by penowa
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To: Jen's Mom
I am rather disgusted the the attitudes of people who are so blinded by their hatred of Rudy that they obviously don't give a rat's patoot that their arrogance is in Hillary's favor.

The arrogance starts with the GOP itself so intent on sucking up to the socialist RATS over the years by compromising Conservative principles that the party has alienated Conservatives and then blame them for an outcome based on assumption.
216 posted on 10/04/2007 11:52:53 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: what's up
Many conservative actions have taken place under this President.

Such as?

Your many explanations of why these don't indicate conservative progress don't negate that.

Yes they do. I have barely BEGUN to list all the betrayals committed by this phoney.

217 posted on 10/04/2007 11:52:58 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Strategerist

“It’s proof that a Pro-Life third party would be idiotic, not proof that Rudy can’t win.”

So I take it that you would have no problem sacrificing your principles? Or, maybe you don’t have any...


218 posted on 10/04/2007 11:53:45 AM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: Paul Ross
Such as?

Listed them already in response to a comment that "nothing conservative" has been going on.

Read the thread.

219 posted on 10/04/2007 11:54:23 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Bob J
"Is it just me or have IQ's on FR dropped precipitously?"

It's just you. LOL! Don't get mad, I couldn't help it.

220 posted on 10/04/2007 11:57:01 AM PDT by penowa
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To: vin-one
Say hello to President Hitlery.

And, say hello to a Republican majority in Congress.

221 posted on 10/04/2007 11:57:09 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Jen's Mom
“Hillary would win in a landslide if that happens. If Christian Conservatives insist on this, they are ensuring 8 more years of the Clintons.”

Another way of looking at this is that knowing that Rudy can’t win without the conservative base, those supporting him would be responsible for the Clinton win...

222 posted on 10/04/2007 11:58:12 AM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: Man50D

>>Ah yes, let’s blindly vote for a socialist in the GOP ...<

Oh for God’s sake, let’s at least stay somewhat in the realm of reality. Whatever RG’s social views might be, you certainly can’t put him in the socialist camp. On economic matters, he is pro-tax cut, pro-fiscal restraint, pro-school choice, pro-free market in health care. Barron’s magazine rated him a 3.8 out of a scale of 4 for being pro-investor. Hillary ranked below 2.


223 posted on 10/04/2007 11:58:34 AM PDT by NKStarr
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To: roses of sharon

“Pro-Life advocates are not idiots, there will be no third party created by them.”

Why not? Hypothetical : If Republicans start losing elections for failure to support the pro-life cause, how long will it take them to start supporting the pro-life cause?

Whether the 3rd party worked out or not, Republicans would do everything they could to get those voters back.


224 posted on 10/04/2007 11:58:59 AM PDT by COgamer
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To: TitansAFC
I agree with your tagline. I'm not so needy that I will put up with someone being only a partial friend - 95% maybe, but I'm just not a glass is 20% full kind of girl.

I wasn't polled - add me and my husband and daughter to those who would vote 3rd party. No rudy, no way.

225 posted on 10/04/2007 12:01:29 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Guns up Red Raiders!)
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To: Ol' Sparky
It (Roe v. Wade overturning) most certainly won't be if Giuliani becomes President, however.

Agreed.

I disagree with Hugh Hewitt that Rudy's reticence about judicial activism will necessarily reverse the case law precedence of activist legislation from the bench already in place.

My expectation is that he would choose more David Souter types.

226 posted on 10/04/2007 12:02:24 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: NKStarr

Rino Rudy is a globalist, statist, socialist liberal. I will never vote for him


227 posted on 10/04/2007 12:04:49 PM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: Jen's Mom
"Rudy isn't my first choice, but I will be damned to vote for any other candidate than the republican nominee to insure that we do not have another 8 years of the Clintons."

You may very well believe that there is nothing worse than President Rodham in your future, but I would suggest that having no party and no choice, just one big Commie party filled with the Socialists, Democrats, once-were-RINOs, is a lot more frightening to many of us.

228 posted on 10/04/2007 12:05:08 PM PDT by penowa
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To: Bob J
Dear Bob J,

“Reagans majority was razor thin in many important electoral states like CA, NY and FL, which Carter could have won if Anderson wasn’t running.”

I don’t think so. First, Mr. Reagan took 52.7% of the vote in California.

These are the states where Mr. Reagan won a plurality of the vote (where Mr. Reagan received more than 49% of the vote, I’ve noted in parentheses):

Alabama - 9
Arkansas - 6
Connecticut - 8
Delaware - 3
Illinois (49.6%) - 26
Kentucky - 9
Maine - 4
Massachusetts - 14
Michigan - 21
Mississipi - 7
New York - 41
North Carolina (49.3%) - 13
Oregon - 6
Pennsylvania (49.6%) - 27
South Carolina (49.5%) - 8
Tennessee - 10
Vermont - 3
Washington (49.7%) - 9
Wisconsin - 11

As you can see, they add up to 244 electoral votes. If Mr. Carter had been able to win all of them, he’d have won the election with 293 electoral votes.

The problem is that Mr. Anderson wasn’t the only “third party” candidate in 1980. There was also Libertarian Ed Clark. If Mr. Anderson hadn’t run AND MR. CARTER RECEIVED EVERY SINGLE ANDERSON VOTE INSTEAD (not likely), Mr. Reagan still would have won:

Alabama - 9
Illinois - 26
Oregon - 6
Pennsylvania - 27
Washington - 9

That’s 77 electoral votes that Mr. Carter WOULD NOT HAVE WON, even if he’d received EVERY SINGLE VOTE THAT WENT FOR MR. ANDERSON.

Thus, Mr. Carter would have received 216 electoral votes in 1980 if he’d have received EVERY SINGLE VOTE for Mr. Anderson, and Mr. Reagan would have “only” received 322 electoral votes.

Of course, in reality, some number of “moderate” Republicans went over to Mr. Anderson rather than vote for Mr. Reagan, and thus, he likely would have received even more than 50.7% of the popular vote, and even more than 322 electoral votes if Mr. Anderson hadn’t won.

Yes, without Mr. Anderson, the race likely would have been closer.

But as can be clearly seen, even if Mr. Carter had received EVERY SINGLE ANDERSON VOTE, Mr. Reagan would have still won the election.


sitetest

229 posted on 10/04/2007 12:06:10 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: penowa
“Of course not. I much prefer a Republican appointed Souter or Stevens like you apparently do. /s

I was thinking more like Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Alito...

I think the odds are quite a bit better of getting that type of appointee from a Republican than from a Democrat.

Though if you feel otherwise, just sit out the election if you don’t like the Republican nominee, and let’s see who Hillary appoints.

230 posted on 10/04/2007 12:06:58 PM PDT by joonbug
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To: Bob J

“It’s more of a prevent defense until the next election when you will have the opportunity to elect someone more to your liking.”

The only thing the “prevent defense” prevents is winning.

We have the opportunity NOW to nominate someone more to our liking and the PTB are trying to force a pro-gay, pro-baby murder (on OUR dime) anti-gun SOCIALIST ON US!

Pray tell, just HOW can we expect that to be ANY DIFFERENT in 4 to 8 years???!!!


231 posted on 10/04/2007 12:07:01 PM PDT by Grunthor (I'd be Catholic but I don't speak latin and don't wanna learn just to go to church.)
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To: going hot
So, let's see.

Not gonna vote R, because the candidate is not conservative enough. ok, so we will vote 3rd party, because, you know, that candidate is more conservative, because, we, you konw, need to stand firm on the issues, because we care about the unborn.

So, we will vote 3rd party, and therefore, because of our vote, the most liberal candidate, her royal highness, will become president, and THEN the voters will get what they deserve, a president who will appoint abortion activist judges from the SC down to the municipal level, not to mention rubber stamping EVERYTHING Ried, and Pelosi come up with


That will show em, yeah.

Let's look at the alternative.

I will vote for someone solely based on the R next to their name regardless of the candidate's socialist ideology because the candidate is a little less socialist than the Demorat, because we need to keep the Republican party united even if it means sliding farther to the left than we have been for several years.

So we will continue to eliminate Conservatives in the party just for the sake of winning and on the assumption if we don't Hitlery will win. Then the voters will get more socialism and we will have to continue to fight against the President on issues including amnesty for illegal aliens, just as we are doing with the current GOP President, in addition to abortion, 2nd Amendment rights, not to mention many other issues the socialist GOP President agrees with the RATS.

Then GOP will really be in control!!!!
232 posted on 10/04/2007 12:07:41 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Man50D
Here we go again. The GOP alienates conservatives by abandoning conservative principles to appease and compromise the socialist left, and then blames the end result on the conservatives.

BUMP! Precisely correct.

233 posted on 10/04/2007 12:07:44 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: sitetest

“if Mr. Anderson hadn’t won.” = “if Mr. Anderson hadn’t run.”


234 posted on 10/04/2007 12:08:35 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Jen's Mom

“But it is fact that Hillary Clinton would not appoint any judge willing to overturn Roe V. Wade.”

Ditto Trudy.


235 posted on 10/04/2007 12:08:40 PM PDT by Grunthor (I'd be Catholic but I don't speak latin and don't wanna learn just to go to church.)
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To: COgamer
If the majority of GOP voters somehow become pro-choice and put a pro-choice plank in their charter, then of course pro-life advocates would have to start a 3rd party.

Can’t see that happening anytime soon tho.

236 posted on 10/04/2007 12:08:57 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: sitetest
BUMP! Excellent regurgitation of the history! That took a lot of work to pull up. Commendations.

This is what makes FR so incredibly valuable, a crucible for truth...which will set us free.

237 posted on 10/04/2007 12:11:10 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Bob J
Dear Bob J,

Oh, and by the way - Florida wasn’t close, either - Mr. Reagan took over 55%.


sitetest

238 posted on 10/04/2007 12:13:56 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: vin-one
Can you say hello President Clinton. thanks to the 27% of Christians who would rather have a communist dictator, than Rudy.

Can you say hello to a socialist President if Rudy and Hitlery square off? People are too hung up on party labels to realize the candidate's ideology is what's important. Both are socialists regardless of the R or D.
239 posted on 10/04/2007 12:14:12 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Paul Ross
Dear Paul Ross,

Thanks! It’s astonishing the level to which some folks will stoop to defend voting for baby murderers.


sitetest

240 posted on 10/04/2007 12:16:20 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: davidlachnicht
If you’re willing to turn the country over to LIBs because of this issue

It's not just one issue. Giuliani is a liberal, period. Voting for him is turning the country over liberals and assure both parties are left-of-center.

241 posted on 10/04/2007 12:16:37 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Strategerist
It’s proof that a Pro-Life third party would be idiotic, not proof that Rudy can’t win.

Political rhetoric stated via a POTUS runner previously, "A giant sucking sound" has been given new meaning via a 3rd party in this millennium.

242 posted on 10/04/2007 12:17:31 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Man50D

Important Post Bump.

If Mr. Giuliani is the Republican nominee and Mrs. Clinton the Democrat nominee, then a liberal Democrat will be the next president, no matter which nominee wins the election.


243 posted on 10/04/2007 12:17:52 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Hydroshock

>>Rino Rudy is a globalist, statist, socialist liberal.<<

Following below is a news release summarizing the findings of the pro-free market Club for Growth regarding the record of RG. Suffice it to say that he is none of things you allege.

Rudy Giuliani Enacted Pro-Growth Policies Despite Liberal New York Environment

Washington - Today, the Club for Growth released its presidential white paper on Republican presidential candidate New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani. The fourth in a series of white papers on presidential candidates, the report (reprinted below and as a PDF file) provides an extensive summary of Rudy Giuliani’s economic policies during his eight years as the mayor of America’s largest city.

“Mayor Giuliani’s economic record is not perfect, but he deserves credit for the remarkable nature of his accomplishments,” Club for Growth President Pat Toomey said. “In a city long accustomed to high taxes and ballooning budgets, Rudy Giuliani successfully cut taxes; kept spending below the growth of inflation and population; instituted sweeping welfare reform; privatized and deregulated many aspects of the city’s bulky bureaucracy; and fought aggressively for school choice.”

The white paper emphasizes the liberal context in which Giuliani was forced to govern. Although the Mayor took a number of anti-growth positions-such as his opposition to NAFTA, his support for McCain Feingold, and his opposition to several tax cuts-he used free-market, limited-government values to turn around a faltering economy in a political environment dominated by a left-wing City Council; public sector labor unions; social welfare activists; and an unfriendly media.

“Rudy Giuliani will still need to flesh out his positions on a number of federal issues, and we hope he will reconsider his few anti-growth positions,” Mr. Toomey said. “But it is impossible to ignore Giuliani’s overall commitment to a pro-growth philosophy and his executive talent for implementing that philosophy in a hostile political environment.”


244 posted on 10/04/2007 12:18:07 PM PDT by NKStarr
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To: NKStarr
With RG, you are dealing with someone who is likely going to give you at least a moderate conservative

You're certainly not basing that comment on his record, which is more liberal than Bill Clinton's was in Arkansas.

245 posted on 10/04/2007 12:18:41 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Jen's Mom
I am rather disgusted the the attitudes of people who are so blinded by their hatred of Rudy that they obviously don't give a rat's patoot that their arrogance is in Hillary's favor.

Sorta reminds one of the democRATS who are so blinded by their hatred of Pres. Bush that they'd rather see us defeated by our enemies.

246 posted on 10/04/2007 12:18:55 PM PDT by Salvey (ancest)
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To: Bob J
Easy. Guili can be restrained by his party and the party's members.

Why wait for it to get to a point where you have to restrain him after he becomes President? He should have been restrained by telling him before his entering the race that his presence will split the GOP. he should be restrained now by not allowing him to become the nominee.
247 posted on 10/04/2007 12:20:05 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: joonbug

There are 2 liberals appointed by Clinton on the court. All the past and present liberals with the exception of Breyer and Ginzburg going back to Ford have been appointed by Republican presidents, and including two “moderate” Justices appointed by Reagan, Kennedy and O’Connor who voted more with the liberals than the conservatives. Your chances of getting conservatives from a Republican President are not good to start with; from a liberal Republican President, virtually none.


248 posted on 10/04/2007 12:20:23 PM PDT by penowa
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To: TitansAFC
While I have respect for the statistical aspect of Rasmussen I have to keep a clear eye to the marketing aspect of Rasmussen in designing a poll for an instance the isn't yet upon us because the media wants to buy the future envisioned.

In order to get the socialist elected, the media will plumb the possibilities of fear and conflict to bring about whatever scenario damages the opposition the most. This means damage to any opposition. They want Fred declared dead, with characterization of asleep and detanched. They want Mitt shown as a waffling poligamist, they want Rudy in drag to scare Pubbie base outside New York, they want the McCain to channel Nixon and the others to be invisible.

Rasmussen is trying to sell product and so he devises a one time poll and if the media buys it and re-commissions it for payment and tweaking they will run it until it is one of the many stumbling blocks being thrown in the path of all who oppose Chairman Hillary.

On this site of long standing where debate should be reasoned and spirited together, we can watch the media's manipulation play out as we fight with each other in accordance with their plan.

249 posted on 10/04/2007 12:22:11 PM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: going hot
I am much happeir moving the ball a few inches to the right than a few yards to the left.

The country will be moving far more to the left if Giuliani becomes President.

There is no stopping liberalism when it is advanced by a Republican, especially one that will presiding over a shrinking Republican minority.

Hillary's election, at least, sets the stage for Republicans to take back Congress.

250 posted on 10/04/2007 12:22:23 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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