There isn't a nickel's worth of difference...
Posted on 10/04/2007 9:38:23 AM PDT by TitansAFC
If Rudy Giuliani wins the Republican nomination and a third party campaign is backed by Christian conservative leaders, 27% of Republican voters say they’d vote for the third party option rather than Giuliani. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that a three-way race with Hillary Clinton would end up with the former First Lady getting 46% of the vote, Giuliani with 30% and the third-party option picking up 14%. In head-to-head match-ups with Clinton, Giuliani is much more competitive.
Over this past weekend, several Christian conservative leaders indicated they might back a pro-life, third-party, candidate if Giuliani wins the nomination.
The latest poll highlights the potential challenges for Giuliani, but the numbers must be considered in context. A generic third-party candidate may attract 14% of the vote in the abstract at this time. However, if a specific candidate is chosen, that person would likely attract less support due to a variety of factors. Almost all third party candidates poll higher earlier in a campaign and their numbers diminish as election day approaches. Ultimately, of course, some Republicans would have to face the question of whether to vote for Giuliani or help elect a Democrat.
The telephone survey found that 17% of Republicans believe it’s Very Likely conservative leaders would back a Pro-Life candidate if Giuliani is nominated. Another 32% believe it is Somewhat Likely. Among all voters, 22% think a third party approach is Very Likely and another 33% say it’s Somewhat Likely.
Most Republican voters consider themselves Pro-Life on the issue of Abortion. Most Democrats and Unaffiliated Voters are Pro-Choice.
The bigger question for Giuliani might be how this possible challenge from the right might affect perceptions of his electability. Currently, Giuliani is seen as the most electable Republican candidate which helps overcome concerns that some have about his ideology. A survey conducted earlier this month found that 72% of Republicans think Giuliani is at least Somewhat Likely to win the White House if nominated. However, the current survey finds that number falling to 58% if Christian conservatives back a third-party option.
With a third-party option on the table, only 18% of Republicans believe Giuliani would be Very Likely to win the election if nominated. That’s down from 31% in a two-way race.
Among all voters, 49% say Giuliani is at least Somewhat Likely to win a two-way match-up. That falls to 43% with a third party candidate in the mix.
Electability is a crucial issue for Giuliani because two-thirds of Republican voters seen him as politically moderate or liberal. That is a challenge unto itself in a political party where most primary voters consider themselves politically conservative. Fred Thompson is currently viewed as the most conservative candidate in the field.
Three of the last four Presidential elections have seen a candidate win with less than 50% of the total votes cast. If Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic Presidential nomination, there is a very reasonable possibility that neither major party candidate would top the 50% mark in Election 2008. With such a scenario, third party candidates on either side of the political spectrum could play a significant role by peeling away one or two percentage points of the vote.
Clinton is currently leading the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination, but her victory is not inevitable. Among Republicans, Thompson and Giuliani lead in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.
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first I dont believe Rudy is a socialist, second you can jump straight to Socialist Hildabeast, just because the canidate is not as conservative as you wish. WAKE UP, nobody is going to be your perfect canidate. Not a single person in the race is as conservative as you would wish for, so what do you do, vote for a third party and you get Hildabeast. thanks for speeding up the process....
AMEN sister, Personally I think there are way to many DEm trolls on the site.
Since the GOP is already on life support with two feet in the grave what’s the difference?
See post 45, word for word, lol!
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Giuliani | Clinton | Dem Platform | GOP Platform |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Abortion on Demand | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Partial Birth Abortion | Supports Opposed NY ban |
Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Roe v. Wade | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Taxpayer Funded Abortions | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Embryonic Stem Cell Research | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Federal Marriage Amendment | Opposes | Opposes | Opposes Defined at state level |
Supports |
| Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions |
Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Openly Gay Military | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Defense of Marriage Act | Opposes | Opposes | Opposes | Supports |
| Amnesty for Illegal Aliens | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens |
Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens |
Opposes | Opposes | Opposes | Supports |
| Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law |
Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Protecting 2nd Amendment | Opposes |
Opposes | Opposes Supports bans |
Supports |
| Confiscating Guns | Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged. |
Supports | Supports Supports bans |
Opposes |
| 'Assault' Weapons Ban | Supports | Supports | Supports | |
| Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers |
Supports Filed One Himself |
Supports | Opposes | |
| Gun Registration/Licenses | Supports | Supports | Opposes | |
| War in Afghanistan | Supports | Supports Voted for it |
Supports | Supports |
| War in Iraq | Supports | Supports Voted for it |
Supports Weak support |
Supports |
| Patriot Act | Supports | Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006 |
Opposes | Supports |
your statement about the GOP is not supported by the graph you posted. Go ahead and vote third party, and live with President Hildabeast. you are going to get what you ask for.
“Meanwhile, Mrs. Clinton is inviting the decorators into the White House to measure for the new window treatments.”
Why measure? Can’t she just use the ones she took after she left the first time?
I apologize for not being clear. My post was meant to be SUPPORTIVE of your position. I knew that you did not support 3rd party candidates. I was not clear that I was supporting you. The “Bully for you.” was meant to represent that but on second reading I see where the tone could be misunderstood. I am a new poster and will try to do better.
Thanks for your response.
Thank you for your polite reply.
We have barely had this Roe vs Wade a full generation. Of course we haven’t had a pro abortion candidate from the GOP. How is that significant? There ARE conservatives who are neutral on that issue. Not all conservatives are grounded in Christianity. I guess there is no room for them?
I am pro life....but I will vote for ANYONE who is the GOP nominee if for no other reason than to protest vehemently socialist Hillary. You can count on the fact that Hillary is pro abortion.
However, the fact is that the GOP has had a pro-life agenda for many years, and now the Christians are made out to be the ones who are off track. That is simply not the case. The truth is that the pro-choice “conservatives” want to throw us from the train.
I can promise you that when a pro-abortion candidate gets the GOP nomination, it’ll be the end of the GOP as a real force. The Christian conservatives are it’s backbone, whether you like it or not.
I, along with millions of other Christians, will vote 3rd party, or leave the spot blank for any candidate on the ballot that we know to be bro-abortion.
No such thing. They care nothing about a Conservative agenda voting for a third party. They are sore losers because their special interest wasn't being fullfilled. If they really cared about Conservatism, they wouldn't be putting a liberal in office to elect liberal judges....which would put their 'special issue' to the left even more. Makes no sense.
This article makes Liberals Hearts fill with Joy.
Liberals LOVE you.
Thank you. If Dobson and his followers get their wish it will be disastrous.
I have to wonder how electing Hillary is going to help the anti-abortion cause.
If we don’t win continue the war against terror, you won’t have to worry about abortions.
Fixed it.
Let’s just all hope that Thompson kicks butt tonight.
I’ve got to hand it to you...there’s truth in that phrase. Look at the Clinton era as opposed to the “W” era. When was the Republican party more united an energized? When was it more dispirited and fractured.
GW has done more damage to our cause in the past 8 years than I could have ever imagined. I can’t imagine how the party could survive another presidency like his has been.
Yep like the "stay at home and teach the Republicans a lesson" from the '06 elections that put 'Rats in control of Congress.
They don't think.
No better way to insure a Hillary victory!!!! No better way to insure more abortions!! No better way to raise taxes!!!No better way to insure the UNITED STATES OF SOCIALIST AMERICA!! No better way to convert our intelligence agencies into Hillary’s secret police!! No better way to destroy our military!! No better way to lose the war on terror!!! Think twice folks the future’s in your hands.
1.Rudy EQUALS Hillary. With either of them in the White House, the country will not be headed in a conservative direction.
2. The Republican Party is only playing social-issues tag with the Democratic Party — trying to get in line with the Democratic Party. So the traditional segment of the GOP is begging to see if there is any more a difference worth fighting about.
3. A huge segment of the Republican Party is now ONLY fiscally conservative. And another segment is fiscally Libertarian. Yet a third segment is outright globalist.
4. Rudy should not be the candidate, nor should he have gotten this far.
As posted above, they think it was more satisfying to be in the minority, more “energizing and united”, as it was put, and many, many here have admitted that they do not want Republican majorities in Congress because they “act like Democrats”, and a Republican in the WH will sign all their spending bills.
So, no sense arguing with those who enjoy minority status, and find majority status to difficult.
Our efforts should be in convincing our fellow Americans to give up their incessant need to be taken care of by Hill and Bill.
For those 2 commies have never been beaten by the Right, and are leading all our guys in polls right now.
How many pro-life candidates do you know of who are not also for fighting the war on terror? Rudy911 is not the only one who speaks of the war.
There isn't a nickel's worth of difference...
There are muslims who believe in live and let live. Then there are extremist muslims whose goals are that every one should live under Sharia law or die.
There are Christians who believe in live and let live. Then there are extremist Christians who want to compel everyone to live under the rules of their interpretation of the Christian faith. Jesus did not compel. Jesus was a loving example. I see no love in the hate, rage and fury of the birth of this new “third party”.
Would you like me to find about 20-30 verses where Jesus was offended people? That would be easy.
Even the Apostle Paul stated that if he were a man pleaser, he is not the servant of Christ.
Galatians 1:10: 10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
By the way, it’s not hateful to say I won’t vote for a man who does not esteem my values. It’s also not hateful to say I will vote 3rd party, if necessary.
If you feel comfortable calling me hateful, I am sorry to have engaged in any debate with you.
Clinton won with 40% of the vote in ‘92 (if my memory serves me right)
Sitting around letting another Clinton in office is far worse than their “thinking minds” could imagine. Wanting a third party to spring up and take control over the next year is a pipe dream on their part.
I am not convinced they are living in reality.
I see you as having the goal that all conservatives should dance to the tune of YOUR Christianity.
What about these conservatives: good, kind ethical Jews, Hindus, Buddahists, Athiests? Even good kind Muslims? There is no room for them and their beliefs in YOUR third party.
This country is grounded in Judeo-Christian foundations. Thank God. But integrated in that foundation is something called tolerance. This government was not instituted by the founders to be Christian or Biblical. That is a personal realm, not a governmental realm. When governments are ruled by religion...people die. (even Christian Governments, and don’t refer me back to a bunch of Popes, think Calvinists in Switzerland, Puritans in New England and so forth).
You need to be thankful that we do live in a country where Christians CAN worship and live their lives by their Christian tenets.
If you can’t make the leap emotionally or intellectually to do everything in your power to prevent Hillary’s socialism (which will REALLY be the first big step toward the destruction of our religious rights) then I can add nothing further to this discussion.
See post #45, they do want the GOP destroyed to begin anew, and most here are no longer even funding the RNC.
So, obviously they are hoping for a 3rd and 4th term for Bill and Hill.
Maybe its some kind of Utopian dream, a comfortable refuge, that means no hard work or uncomfortable decisions.
Really, the point is that the Christians are made out to look like we are the ones pushing for change, when in fact we are the core of the GOP. It has been that way since President Reagan, and the advent of the Moral Majority.
You are cool to vote however you want to vote, and I also feel no obligation to vote for Rudy. The best thing you can do is get Rudy nominated and you can say goodbye to us forever.
I am not hateful for that, am I?
Yes...I think it is really hateful for a bunch of Christians to give this Nation another Clinton. It is arrogant and self righteous.
Hillary is counting on you and your ilk to get her into office. She is NO dummy. She loves Dr. Dobson...he is her ticket to ride.
Rudy is part of the evil left. He’ll be another Arnold Schwarzenegger. What makes you think he is a conservative?
For that matter, when the real campaign gets going, what makes people think Rudy can win? I can just see him getting a phone call from his wife in the middle of a big speech while on the campaign trail.
Rudy is a leftist and a loon... or is that redundant?
If you don’t hold to your principles, then why even say you have them? You don’t. You just talk a good game.
Well, if we’re going by record - Rudy911 is the preferred choice of the Pro-Abortion groups. Hitlery is the lesser of two evils, though not by much.
agreed.. some of you folks are acting like babies..
if I don’t get 100 % of everything I want.. I’ll let Hillary become president..
childish..
Get used to it: “President Hillary Clinton”
Hillary is counting on you and your ilk to get her into office. She is NO dummy. She loves Dr. Dobson...he is her ticket to ride.
Let’s see. The pro-abortion crowd kicks the Christians and expects us to stay and vote for their man? I don’t think so. Any loss to Hillary will be the fault of those who threw the Christians off of the ship.
I have asked this question repeatedly of the Rudyites on this forum with no response: Can you show me on viable pro-life candidate who is not also for supporting the war on terror?
It just seems that having a pro-life candidate who is also engaged in the war on terror is the best way to placate you and me. Why is it that you are the only one who should win? Why should I lay down for you when we can both have a nation free from terror?
In reality, you are the one who is unwilling to compromise. The candidates I support would give us both a good battle against terrorism, and support life for babies.
“President Hillary Clinton”
“President Rudy911”
Both equally scare me, which is why that tired old boogeyman tactic doesn’t work in this case, nor will it ever. Rudy911 nullifies the effectiveness of the fear of Hillary.
Want to stop the thought of President Hillary? Find someone else but Rudy911.
Seriously? The man BOASTED of Universal Health Care in NY, thumping his chest about how they provide it even for illegal immigrants.
What planet have you been living on?
And since we are all only human, our principles differ, and that’s OK, really.
My principle is to win. Ruthless and dirty action, instead of comfortable surrender.
Beating the commie vampire Dims into a pulp, to defeat the liberal UNAMERICAN party, who have sucked the lifeblood out of everything good in this country, who command enormous power in broadcast news, newspapers, mags, movies, TV, ALL levels of education, who have enemy moles leaking intell from our bureaucracies, and who have gained power by bribing Americans with tax money for votes, for decades.
My principles consist of destroying them, hanging them, and freeing this nation from the propaganda grip of the MSM. And I will support anyone who is Right of them.
You misunderstood. I am not a Rudy supporter. I am just coming to the conclusion that Clinton's election is inevitable. The stars are aligned everywhere you look, from the GOP disarray, to Bush's incompetance, to the RAT takeover of Congress, to the MSM's coming coronation of the "First Woman President".
Rudy911 is actually the preferred candidate of the Pro-Abortion crowd, they endorsed him over Hillary even in the Senate run. Either one will give us fervently Pro-Abortion judges.
No, I would say that the hypocrites are the ones who blast candidates for filing junk lawsuits, opposing Federalism in practice, making sanctuary cities for illegal aliens, appointing Liberal judges, supporting Hate Crimes Legislation, Supporting the Fairness Doctrine, opposing school vouchers and Welfare Reform, providing taxpayer funding of Abortion, endorsing Liberal Democrats for office, speaking before the most extreme leftist groups in the country like NOW, NARAL, and GLAAD, imposing homosexual rights,......and then going out to vote for one and demanding support for that candidate.
You are the hypocrite, not me. By every measurable standard, you are the one being hypocritical.
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