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In soldiers' shoes [Soldiers Shot Mom and Convoy Runs Over Baby Multiple Times]
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 10/4/07 | Stephan Salisbury

Posted on 10/04/2007 10:52:42 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul

In soldiers' shoes

Temple theater students, acting out the recollections of U.S. troops in Iraq, learn some uncomfortable truths.

By Stephan Salisbury

Inquirer Culture Writer

They are, for the most part, in their early 20s, and by turns passionate, impulsive, idealistic, serious, funny, inquisitive.

What could distinguish these Temple University theater students - humping from class to class, hanging out, diving into bull sessions - from their doubles hunkered down in Baghdad, staring down a blasted Fallujah street, gulping a Coke on a shadeless day?

The answer could be as brief as a gunshot, as long as a memoir, as cryptic as fate. But beginning with tonight's opening, at 7:30 at Temple's Randall Theater, these 11 students will crawl inside the skins of actual Iraq war veterans in a difficult effort to convey on stage the real deal of death and life in the desert.

They will bring the voices of war home.

The play, In Conflict, is a world premiere adapted from former Daily News reporter Yvonne Latty's book of the same name, a collection of interviews with Iraq veterans. Directed by Temple's resident artistic director, Douglas C. Wager, In Conflict runs through Oct. 13.

"When the war started happening, I was living in Virginia, which is a very military area, and I heard about it constantly. And after a while you hear about it less, and then it's just this thing that's still going on," recalled senior Ethan Haymes, 22. "But one thing that I really admired about both of my characters is that they were both men of action - Army Capt. Jon Soltz and Patrick Murphy, who's now a congressman. Doing this is different from bringing a normal script to the stage because we have a duty to these people, and I feel that it's part of our calling as college students to say what they say, to have their story heard. There are certain things, and you're reminded about this more and more as you try and think about the war and solutions; there are certain things we just don't know because we haven't been there."

None of the students has been a soldier. None has been on a battlefield. But they have entered the war and these voices of the war by literally listening to the raw audio tapes from Latty's interviews. They absorb the disjointed cadences of adrenaline-laced action, the broken sentences of rationalization, the terseness and lassitude of disappointment.

One of the characters portrayed by Damon Williams, 20, is Herold Noel, a vet who came home to not a little hostility and mammoth indifference. He quickly found himself homeless and fending off devouring memories.

"He was on patrol," Williams said, trying to wrap his own mind around the story. "There was a tank that was flipped over. It was in a ditch. . . . A crowd of onlookers was surrounding them. They were just onlookers, but it's a civilian war, you don't know if one of them has a bomb or anything. Everybody's telling them to back up. Back up. Back up. Back up. And this one lady started walking toward them very slow. So they don't know. And she was holding something in her arms. They don't know what it is. Could be a bomb. Could be anything. Tell her to back up. She's not listening.

"So Herold ends up firing and shoots the lady in the head. And what was in her hands falls, rolls, and ends up being a baby. And while the baby is on the ground, Herold is stuck. He's just shot this woman who was holding a baby thinking that it was something that it wasn't. Goes to pick up the baby. Another convoy rolls over the baby. Multiple times. And that's something that he describes, he still has nightmares about it every day."

What do you do with such an experience? Where can you put it?

"People constantly say the soldiers are doing horrible things," said Stan Sinyakov, 21, a senior. "You go to war, it's a different life and it's a different lifestyle. There's a very fine big red line between society, civilians, the laws and the rules you abide by, and what happens in war. You will kill when you go to war. You will shoot someone. You are trained for these things. . . . Then you come back to society and there's no room for you. You're too different now. They come back and it's like, 'Well we don't kill here. We don't blow things up. Are you crazy?' It's like, 'I'm sorry. I was trained that way. My mind works like that.' And that's why nobody wants to talk about that stuff, who they killed."

For the students, entering the cloaked worlds of these veterans has worked a transformation on their own lives. They pay attention to the news. They read the newspapers. They have become linked to the larger political universe.

"That was something I struggled with a lot at the beginning of this process," said junior Amanda Holston, 20, who portrays Kelly Dougherty, leader of the Philadelphia-based Iraq Veterans Against the War. "I had a lot, and still hold a lot, of guilt that I didn't look into pursuing all of the facts about the war and really educating myself about what's happening over there and really caring about it. Until now. Until I had to do it. I'm sure all of us feel that. And now that I recognize it, I'm trying to make up for lost time. I'm really trying to know everything I can and keep up to date. It's changed my viewpoint and life in that way. Because I'm certainly not going to be apathetic about the war after this. You get a glimpse of what it actually is and you can't stay the same."

Senior Sam Paul, 21, said the critical part of the performance lay in letting the voices of each individual soldier breathe, no matter what the content of the story told.

"You draw your own conclusions," he said. "We're not saying the war's bad. We're not saying the war's good."

Sean Lally, 20, a junior, broke in: "It's about the truth."

 


Performances at Randall Theater, 2020 N. 13th St., are tonight at 7:30, tomorrow at 8, Saturday at 2 and 8, Monday through Oct. 11 at 7:30; Oct. 12 at 8, and Oct. 13 at 2 and 8. Tickets are $20; $15 for seniors, students and Temple employees, and free for Temple students with GAF. To purchase tickets, call 1-800-298-4200, or visit www.liacourascenter.com online.

Contact culture writer Stephan Salisbury at 215-854-5594 or ssalisbury@phillynews.com..



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KEYWORDS: axissally; babykillers; harryreidmia; lies; propaganda; slander
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There is just one part of an ongoing attempt to smear the military serving today the way they smeared the Vietnam veterans as psychotic baby killers.

The baby killer smear from the 60s is the result of the Winter Soldier "investigation" run by the Vietnam Veterans Against the War with Jane Fonda's help.

Wesley Clark has a big part to play in the current smear. He's the "senior leader" for a group called the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans for America. That group arranged most of the interviews for an article in THE NATION magazine that concluded that unwarranted shootings of Iraqi civilians was rampant.

Their plan is to publish a book called "Collateral Damage" which would be the basis for the babykiller smear against this generation, the way "Winter Solider" smeared the Vietnam generation.

The Iraq Veterans Against the War are modelled after and mentored by the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. The Vietnam Veterans Against the War and their Student Chapter must not be allowed to smear TWO generations of veterans.

1 posted on 10/04/2007 10:52:47 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul
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To: Owl_Eagle

Temple Ping!!


2 posted on 10/04/2007 10:53:54 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (RIP Eric Medlen. You will be missed.../ Get well Soon John Force!!!)
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To: Doctor Raoul

These kids need to get a job.

Good grief, our colleges are encouraging men to become like their female counterparts.

Snivelers.


3 posted on 10/04/2007 10:56:50 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Doctor Raoul

More patriotic Democrats supporting the troops.


4 posted on 10/04/2007 10:57:04 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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To: Doctor Raoul
"You draw your own conclusions," he said. "We're not saying the war's bad. We're not saying the war's good." Sean Lally, 20, a junior, broke in: "It's about the truth."

SUUUUUURE. Treasonous crapheads.

5 posted on 10/04/2007 10:57:42 AM PDT by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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To: Doctor Raoul

Were any lying non-”soldiers” like Jesse Macbeth interviewed?


6 posted on 10/04/2007 10:57:47 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

God bless those soldiers who have to make terrible life or death judgements in the blink of an eye, and God d*mn those who seek to denigrate and mock their service to their country.


7 posted on 10/04/2007 10:57:51 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: Doctor Raoul

They are on shaky ground with their dramatization if read up on the trial of Axis Sally.


8 posted on 10/04/2007 10:59:01 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Doctor Raoul
But they have entered the war and these voices of the war by literally listening to the raw audio tapes ....

I hate writing like this. "Literally listening?" As opposed to what ... figuratively listening to the tapes?

9 posted on 10/04/2007 11:00:30 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Doctor Raoul

Someone needs to do a little investigation on this Herold Noel.


10 posted on 10/04/2007 11:02:24 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Doctor Raoul

“It’s about the truth.”

There are lies of misrepresentation, whether they be stated falsehoods or lies by ommission.

This isn’t about truth. It is about condemning the war. One of the other actors said (s)he was ignorant about such matters and changed his/her view after doing SOME reading. How much balance was there in the materials presented to this young mind full of mush?

Question authority. Not just the authority of those elected but also of those insisting that you question authority.


11 posted on 10/04/2007 11:02:33 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: roses of sharon
These kids need to get a job

NO. They need to be sent to the theater - the REAL one - where they can learn firsthand that which they write about.

That's what an honest writer does - all else is hearsay and/or an attempt to garner 15 minutes of fame on the backs of others...

I hope the fact that it's TEMPLE will not deter righteous attack.


12 posted on 10/04/2007 11:03:29 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: r9etb

I wonder how many of Rush’s critics have listen to the raw audio tapes. Rush has put them online for free.


13 posted on 10/04/2007 11:03:55 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: weegee
Were any lying non-”soldiers” like Jesse Macbeth interviewed?

I think from now on he should be referenced by his birth name, Jesse al-Zaid.

14 posted on 10/04/2007 11:05:02 AM PDT by agrace
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To: maine-iac7

Michael Moore never has been inside Iraq or Afghanistan, has he? It was a second unit film crew that interviewed Nick Berg in Iraq.


15 posted on 10/04/2007 11:05:14 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Doctor Raoul
Sean Lally, 20, a junior, broke in: "It's about the truth."

Oh, B.S., you little snot. You know absolutely nothing about the reality of war and you're doing just like the nice lefty professors are teaching you: Lie, twist and distort to support your own lefty-agenda.

16 posted on 10/04/2007 11:07:58 AM PDT by Allegra ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!"- Jim Robinson, Sept, 30, 2007)
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To: Doctor Raoul
"senior Ethan Haymes, 22. "But one thing that I really admired about both of my characters is that they were both men of action - Army Capt. Jon Soltz and..."

I thought Jon Soltz was a truck dispatcher for only like 3-4 months in Iraq? That's hardly a "man of action!"

PHONY STATUS OF SOLDIER ALERT!!!

*note, I did not call him a phony soldier, I called his status phony.

17 posted on 10/04/2007 11:08:36 AM PDT by avacado
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To: wideawake
Googled the name. 829 hits. He is also represented very well in the picture department. Here are two -

He seems to be quite the media darling and has been found by every liberal media outlet. Is there group or organization that can check out his story?

18 posted on 10/04/2007 11:13:47 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Doctor Raoul
Must've of coauthored with Spc Beaucamp...Pure fiction


19 posted on 10/04/2007 11:16:01 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Doctor Raoul

“What could distinguish these Temple University theater students - humping from class to class, hanging out, diving into bull sessions - from their doubles hunkered down in Baghdad, staring down a blasted Fallujah street, gulping a Coke on a shadeless day?”

“humping from class to class”!!!

Only someone that is absolutely clueless would equate, via the use of the term “humping”, carrying schoolbooks between classes and being out on patrol in Indian country.


20 posted on 10/04/2007 11:17:07 AM PDT by FMBass ("Now that I'm sober I watch a lot of news"- Garofalo from Coulter's "Treason")
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To: Doctor Raoul

Let’s see -—

That’s Congressman Patrick Murphy, Kelly Dougherty, John Soltz and Herold Noel.

I wish I knew how to look up these people’s records.

University students absolutely drool over these tales of horror. They love them. It’s such a big thrill to pretend to be a soldier in combat.

I hope they are all phony.


21 posted on 10/04/2007 11:17:10 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: agrace

Yeah, I just heard Rush say that Jesse Macbeth’s birth name was Jesse al-Zaid.

America is in real trouble.


22 posted on 10/04/2007 11:17:29 AM PDT by donna (If America is not a Christian nation, it will be part of the Islamic nation. Take your pick.)
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To: squarebarb; avacado

Soldier Censored at Kos Convention
PJM LA
August 5, 2007 5:52 PM

Fireworks broke out at a Friday morning session of the second day of the YearlyKos Convention titled “The Military and Progressives: Are They Really That Different?”. An as yet unidentified uniformed soldier attempted to address the panel on the subject of the “Surge”. He was unceremoniously escorted out by panelist Jon Soltz.

The soldier’s words were either suppressed or inaudible on the convention’s own video. They can be heard here on this exclusive PJM Video by Andrew Marcus, who also interviews the soldier and tries to interview Soltz.

http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/08/soldier_censored_at_kos_conven.php


23 posted on 10/04/2007 11:26:38 AM PDT by donna (If America is not a Christian nation, it will be part of the Islamic nation. Take your pick.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

What a disgusting thing to do.

Why aren’t parents and ex-military families marching outside of this moonbat school demanding this crap be stopped, and the moonbat instructor fired for this atrocious defamation of our military?

This Democrat sponsored BS has to stop.


24 posted on 10/04/2007 11:35:37 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: donna

I heard the same thing and did a double take. An internet search nets a bunch of references to that fact.


25 posted on 10/04/2007 11:37:44 AM PDT by agrace
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To: Nathan Zachary
It will only stop when the taxpayers stop funding this crap...


26 posted on 10/04/2007 11:38:38 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Nathan Zachary

I can dream...

Your student loan support program has been suspended. Full payment of outstanding balance is due 1/1/08.

Thanks you for your prompt attention to this matter.


27 posted on 10/04/2007 11:40:30 AM PDT by listenhillary (millions crippled by the war on poverty....but we won't pull out)
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To: donna

I saw the video a while back. Jon Soltz is a real prick. And he didn’t serve but 4 months in Iraq and was not in any combat while there. He was a dek jockey.

What he did to that soldier at the convention was disgusting.


28 posted on 10/04/2007 11:40:56 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Doctor Raoul

how can this crap be legal! GRRRRRRRRR


29 posted on 10/04/2007 11:57:50 AM PDT by RDTF (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, but Democrats believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: donna

Was that Wesley Clark smirking next to him on the panel?


30 posted on 10/04/2007 11:58:05 AM PDT by agrace
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To: agrace

Yes.


31 posted on 10/04/2007 12:23:42 PM PDT by donna (Obama is a Moslem.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

recalled senior Ethan Haymes, 22. “But one thing that I really admired about both of my characters is that they were both men of action - Army Capt. Jon Soltz and Patrick Murphy, who’s now a congressman.


Is that the same Soltz that shouted down a Army Sergeant at the ‘daily kooz” festival a month or so back? If so, no wonder these stories are all made up!


32 posted on 10/04/2007 12:42:47 PM PDT by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists inside and outside our borders, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: Doctor Raoul

This actually sounds reasonably balanced to me (though obviously the article doesn’t tell us the whole content of the performance). But there’s not a word here implying evil intent on the part of the soldiers. And we’d all do well to remember that many soldiers do come home having experienced things that leave them psychologically fragile. They were doing their best in a horrible situation and they’ll carry the after-effects for the rest of their lives.


33 posted on 10/04/2007 12:56:00 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: wideawake

http://www.iava.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=110&Itemid=119

Here’s a brief story about Herold Noel, with links to a lot of others. I see nothing wrong with these kids telling his story. He’s certainly no anti-war activist.


34 posted on 10/04/2007 1:00:23 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Yeah, no evil intent, just babykillers...

Seek professional help.

35 posted on 10/04/2007 1:03:14 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Columbia = Ayatollah U.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

HATRIOTS!!!


36 posted on 10/04/2007 1:05:01 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: weegee

Jesse MacBeth’s REAL name is Al Said!!!


37 posted on 10/04/2007 1:05:49 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: 7thson

That is Herold Noel??? geesh.


38 posted on 10/04/2007 1:08:09 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: Doctor Raoul

It’s described as an accident, unavoidable given the circumstances, and having left the soldier with nightmares. Hardly suggests that our soldiers are out there deilberately killing babies and not giving a crap about it. Herold Noel is a real soldier, who has encountered the same poor treatment as many others upon arriving home, and still believes that serving in the military in a war like this one is a good thing. If these college kids wanted to put on a totally biased anti-war show, they’d have made different choices of soldiers — it’s not all that hard to round up some Iraq vets who want to rant against the war and the Bush Administration, but that’s not what was done here.

http://www.gnn.tv/articles/article.php?id=1054Despite everything, Noel says he would enlist again.
“I’m always going to be a soldier. I’m going to speak so my country can be a better country. I’m not bashing the military – but if you want people to protect this country, you have to protect them.”


39 posted on 10/04/2007 1:09:57 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: 7thson

Freepers need to pool their smarts and start something called “TRUTH MATTERS”!!! These people’s backgrounds need to be looked into!


40 posted on 10/04/2007 1:10:06 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: Doctor Raoul
Well said, Doctor. That's exactly what the left is up too here.
41 posted on 10/04/2007 1:15:08 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: Doctor Raoul
Well said, Doctor. That's exactly what the left is up to here.
42 posted on 10/04/2007 1:15:20 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Here’s a brief story about Herold Noel, with links to a lot of others. I see nothing wrong with these kids telling his story. He’s certainly no anti-war activist.

Yeah, and you're legit too. And pigs fly.

Everyone can click on http://www.archive.org/details/Herold and see if they believe you or their lying eyes.

The guy in green Army field jacket and the leather cap is David Cline, long time Vietnam Veteran Against the War, the guy who was the advisor to the Iraq Veterans Against the War.

Herold stinks and you're starting to smell too. You and your link to Wesley Clark's crap.

43 posted on 10/04/2007 1:15:51 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Columbia = Ayatollah U.)
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To: FMBass
“humping from class to class”!!!

"Carrying a heavy load on a long march" is one definition of humping. There is another definition, exemplified by the infamous Tennessee Leghound ... perhaps that has more to do with these "students".

44 posted on 10/04/2007 1:16:24 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Doctor Raoul
...it’s not all that hard to round up some Iraq vets who want to rant against the war and the Bush Administration...

The article clearly states it's got the IVAW view point of Kelly Dougherty, and the only thing you left out is that IVAW bashes the military, Bush and America.

45 posted on 10/04/2007 1:18:46 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Columbia = Ayatollah U.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

When you get some time, post a few things in defense of Al Hubbard.


46 posted on 10/04/2007 1:20:21 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Columbia = Ayatollah U.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Every link I looked at quoted Herold expressing full support for the war. He’s just pissed about the lack of support for returning veterans, and I don’t think that makes him a left-wing anti-war activist.


47 posted on 10/04/2007 1:22:23 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Screw you, and the anti-American commie you rode in on. That's part and parcel of the anti-war activist's lies. They market grief. They understand that public has tremendous gratitude and sympathy for them, especially the wounded and fallen. So they maintain a stready drum beat about how the VA and Walter Reed are lacking. Guess what, when Washingtpon Post attacked, literally trashed, Walter Reed, the soldiers their held their own press conference to set the record straight.

Take your phony concern for the vets and stick it where the sun doesn't shine, i.e., the center of your soul.

48 posted on 10/04/2007 1:31:57 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Columbia = Ayatollah U.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
He’s just pissed about the lack of support for returning veterans...

You commie bastards tried the same BS after World War II. Look in your propoganda files for your brochures, "Pin A Medal On Joe" and "Who Ruptured Our Duck", that made the same pitch in the late 40s.

49 posted on 10/04/2007 1:34:28 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Columbia = Ayatollah U.)
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To: Doctor Raoul
The article clearly states it's got the IVAW view point of Kelly Dougherty

Umm, no it doesn't. It says that ONE of the performers portrays Kelly Dougherty. It would be pretty hard to put on a performance that's attempting to be balanced, without including some views from the anti-war side. But I don't see any evidence here that it isn't balanced. Believe me, at a lot of schools, there are all sorts of performances, rallies, displays, etc, being put on that are 100% anti-war ranting -- they wouldn't dream of including the voice of a veteran who says he was proud to serve there. No indication that this Temple performance falls into that category.

50 posted on 10/04/2007 1:35:49 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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