Skip to comments.The Values Test [Dobson Will Back Third-Party if Giuliani is Nominated]
Posted on 10/04/2007 10:19:26 PM PDT by Soft Bigotry
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Then I take it FR is in for an even greater split than has already occurred.
It’s gonna get ugly in here.
If hillary is our first female president, all her screw ups, and there will be many, will be glossed over BECAUSE she’s the first female president and the liberal media loves her. Hillary’s ego and lack of expertise will set this country back a hundred years. She may not care, and I’m sure she won’t since the liberal media/historians/educators will be so focused on her being the first female president they’ll ignore/gloss over all her screw ups, she’ll come out looking good no matter what she does.
Hillary as the first female president of this country would be a grave mistake for this country. Hell, at this point, just about any female in that kind of power would suck for this country. We need a Margaret Thatcher type as the first female POTUS.
My husband is convinced that if Hillary is the dem ticket, the repub would win by a landslide. I completely disagree. I think she’d win. The soccer moms who voted for Clinton and who became the security moms and voted for Bush would then vote for Hillary BECAUSE and only BECAUSE she’s a woman.
Guess what? Rudy considers Ginsberg acceptable. Look it up.
the only way to keep Hillary out of the White House is to nominate a true conservative. It is imperative that we get centered behind a far-right candidate NOW.
The GOP should have stuck to its core conservative base over the years instead of spending time trying to appease the socialist left.
The conservative base is not the majority of the party.
I agree but the GOP is made up of people so WE can change that. You made valid points and I agree. However, we control it all so we have to change.
Guiliani isn’t the best nom for our party but he’s better than any dem running and we have to acknowledge that.
This year, or this POTUS election year, I see very little difference between any of the repub candidates and the dem candidates, esp on social issues. however, there’s a HUGE difference on their foreign policy, military, etc. So that’s how I’m voting.
If the last couple of elections haven’t made it abundantly clear, neither side can win the White House with just its base. You’ve got to be able to pull in independents, too.
Then I take it FR is in for an even greater split than has already occurred.
Its gonna get ugly in here.
It won’t last long,,,And,,,
I see no “split” on Fr...
Maybe you should read the thread.
No one here likes Guiliani; the question is, is the site willing to split with the Republican Party over it?
That is the “split” to which I refer.
If you take FR as any indicator, there are three options:
A) Vote for Rudy or someone like him who does not have the blessing of the values voters.
B) Don’t vote because none of the Republicans are worthy of the vote.
C) Vote a hopeless third party candidate.
Any guesses as to which party wins given such a split among conservatives?
Yeah, my point exactly.
Sounds like maybe FR isn’t the worry; this is something already happening with conservatives all over the country.
Ditto on the current POTUS race. Rudy’s not my choice no matter how I like his foreign policy in some areas. But if he wins the primary, if he’s the nom, I will vote for him in the general election. Heck, I’d vote for McCain in teh general election and I really really don’t want to do that.
From what I can tell, the majority of the squishy “fence sitter” middle has already gone to the democrats. The hardcore conservative values voters are disgusted because they’ve finally figured out that politics is (gasp!) a dirty game. And the rest of the Republicans are left squabbling over scraps.
Oh I completely agree with what you said. However, I do think we still have a better shot with a repub than a dem because the dem will have the extreme leftists on their side, and hounding them constantly and as we all know, most dem politicians can’t fight the fringe, move on crowd. Pelosi, Reid, etc come to mind.
So two socialists and it’s down to the one who will fight for this country, WOT, etc. and one who will sell it out. I’m not a guiliani supporter anymore like I was at first, heck I don’t really support any of them and I’m disappointed in our choices this election. I know Rudy is not a social conservative. Neither is Romney but I’d still vote for him if he were the repub nominee. I like all of Hunter’s ideals but I don’t see him winning the nom. I like a ton about Tancredo but again I don’t see him winning the nom.
ITA. The repubs today have more in common with the dems, socialists. And we do need another party but one that can win. I don’t think any 3rd party can win today and I’m not willing to trhow away my vote this election. Get another repub president, one who values the military since no dems do, or more imporantly a repub congress, and let’s keep working on a real conservative party. That’s how I see it.
Been there. Done that.
This time, 2008, will be different.
I have made up my mind.
I will be doing something else, if a conservative fails to get the GOP Nomination and the thing ends up being run by a RINO at the helm who will bring us socialism and a borderless North American continent, only a little more slowly than the Democrats will do.
It is like having to chose between catching a ride home with a pal who will be driving who has had 7 beers and a pal who has had 5.
What is really the difference at the end of the day??
Just watch. They will do it.
Of course, they will get screwed in other ways, by merit of a Clinton Administration.
I understand the concept. I know History (and not the socialist/liberal history being shoved down students throats today).
And I disagree. I don’t think the problem with the GOP is based in socialism or even in the splitting of the party because of whiners who won’t support any candidate if that candidate doesn’t support their *issue* totally. Even though some do vote on one issue. Most voters today don’t know a darn thing about history: world history, US history, US Constitution, politics, government, etc. We don’t educate our kids, the next generation or generations, all they’re learning now is pop history, propaganda, media history which has no basis is facts. Take a look at the public (and that means ALL) school curriculum and it’s way different than what we were taught - most of these kids who support the Right to Choose have no idea about that SC case or about the people involved. Or how the woman recanted. Most of these kids are being educated, by our tax dollars, to lean toward a certain political agenda and there’s very little anyone can do about it. Sure we fight it but then we get sued, our twp/sch dis gets sued which costs us more money. We’re in this situation now with Garden State Equality suing our sch dis because we fought the That’s A FAmily video - a pro homo vid being taught to 8 yr olds/3rd graders. Cos homosexuality and transgenderism is normal and anyone who doesn’t believe that is odd. RME.
The GOP is this in current dilemna, imo, because it doesn’t fight back. It’s afraid. Maybe it’s part of the culture or fad today that if a lone nut case or two lone nut cases start shooting at you or your classmates, well then duck or hide rather than fighting back - because law abiding citizens can’t carry guns and all that. And honor means nothing and it’s ok to hide or run to save ourselves even when the chances point in the favor to the nut case and maybe storming him could save a few lives. But, we’re now taught to hide or don’t do anything to set a nut case off when they’re already set off. ??? Remember how scared certain senators became when we fought back about the Amnesty bill for illegals? We won that round. We wouldn’t have a fighting chance if those senators were dems.
The GOP is in this dilemna because we allowed this to happen and we can change it. There won’t be a change, drastic change, before 2008 election so I’m notwilling to throw away my vote. The change is happening now from what I’ve seen on this conservative board.
So if the election comes down to a repub nom who values our military and understands this war on terror and Islam to another who hates America, hates our military and doesn’t understand the War we’re fighting then yeah, I’ll vote for the former in a hearbeat. We won’t have any social issues to fight for or any freedoms if we lose this War.
Dear Dr. Dobson:
I realize that Mrs. Bill Clinton has your FBI file. I also realize that you probably have skeletons in your closet that you want kept there. Mrs. Bill Clinton’s only hope for election is to have a third party candidate siphon off enough votes to get her the electoral vote she needs to win. Ross Perot did this for her husband twice. Mrs Bill Clinton is not bright enough to think up a new plan; she will use the same one he used.
My question for you is simple. Is your personal life so important that you would sacrifice this country’s future in order to help Mrs Bill Clinton win? Are you that vain?
If the answer is “Yes”, may God have mercy on your soul, because history won’t.
One who's heart was hopelessly not in it, and the other one as exciting as a TV test pattern at 3:00 in the morning.
This can be avoided by the GOP doing "the right thing". There is still time.
Good for Dobson... Finally a Christian leader getting some nads..
.........”Dobson needs to seek the face of the L-rd.
He needs to address issues and not people.”..........
HE MAY HAVE, HAVE YOU???????
THE ISSUES ARE IN THE PEOPLE.
.....”Rudy can beat Clinton in 2008.”..........
NO THE CAN’T
DON’T WASTE YOUR TIME
Romans 3:8 (King James Version)
And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
I think my damnation comes first... before thinking what the world thinks of me. But thanks for trying...
I feel certain, considering the political climate and the role of the media in politics, once we let go of family values they will disappear from politics for good. Any progress we've made in restricting abortion and holding off the gay agenda will be lost. Moral relativism will rule the land. Once the Republican Party believes they can force us to compromise they will write us off for good. We (Christians and pro-lifers) must stick together and vote for what we believe, not against Hillary. If we turn out in the primaries we can make sure Rudy doesn't get the nomination. It's not like we don't have any other choices!
Maybe, but he will have to do it without my family's vote.
SPOT ON!! And VERY well said, I might add!
Dear Mr. Ranger...
“Why do you help wicked people and love those who hate the LORD? The LORD’s anger is directed toward you because you have done this. 2 Chronicles 19:2
If the Republicans nominate a pro-abortion candidate then they must have a desire to elect Hillary. That is the only rational conclusion.
They will, in effect, be saying to us conservative Christians: "If you will only agree with us to murder our children, then we can win the presidency!"
I will not put my eternal soul in jeopardy with such a deal. No sane person who understands what we believe would ask me to do so.
That's right for the campaign and the primary; but if the final nominees are Rudy and Hillary, you would be a self-righteous fool to try to stand on principle when the entire election belongs to "Caesar" anyway. We got Bill Clinton because of Ross Perot. Do you really want to bring an end to the United States Constitution if you can't have perfection in a candidate? Only God is perfect.
Amen to that. Dobson is politically naive. A sheep to the slaughter.
You are exactly correct, GB58. I, too, will NEVER vote for Rudy for any reason. Ever.
Those who agree with killing their own children just to win the presidency are traitors to their faith in Jesus Christ. They should look to their souls for they are willing to make a pact with the devil.
I doubt the legitimacy of their faith in the true Jesus who loved little children and became angry with His disciples when they wouldn't let children come to sit with Him.
Jesus said it would be better for a person to be drowned in the sea than that he injure one of these little ones.
Maybe, maybe not.
I am reminded of the stranglehold rats have on "minorities" and secular Jews. It always amazes me that those groups can vote for a party that does them such a disservice and holds them in such low regard.
I guess conservatives are now in the same boat and we can answer ourselves how a party can keep a group "on the plantation".
I've never appreciated a man peeing on my boot and telling me it's raining. A great many republicans have already told me that I'm a sexist and a racist, I guess I should just consider it rain and be a good slave and mash that old "R" button even thought I know it's for a party that doesn't share my values and appears to think that I'm some sort of low life. My party, right or wrong. I guess Zell Miller is the only person allowed to have standards.
Let's hope it doesn't come to this but if the republican party wants to spend the next 40 years in the wilderness so be it, I didn't leave the party, the party left me.
And that "but" marks the great divide. I am with Dobson on this one. And I came to the conclusion early on - if Rudy is the nominee, I'll find a third party candidate.
Remember how Abraham prepared to take the knife to sacrifice his own son because he believed it was what God wanted?
Stop holding your breath and turning blue if you don't get what you think you want. Our leaders are anointed, and you have to pray for God's will to be done and then trust the Republican convention to do the best thing.
God works even through evil to achieve good. He is in charge. You have a duty to be a team player for the best person, even if the best person isn't good enough by your individual standards. Have you ever considered the sheer impossibility of leading a sinless life and also taking on all the evil in the world, as the U.S. president must do? There has only been one Man who has ever done that, and He was the very God.
There simply isn't enough unrest in the nation to pull off a third party victory. Trying to sabotage a Republican in the final election will only install Satan and Brutha Satan back in the White House.
So, please enlighten us: how do you propose to fix that problem?
He is not a pastor and is not ordained. He is a licensed child psychologist.
Right now, he's having some trouble understanding the adults.
Comparing people standing on principles to children throwing temper tantrums is just off the mark.
then I remember we are up against Satan HERself. Anyone pushing for a third party just doesn't get it, what we are up against here.
I agree, but only far-right in terms of todays political climate and perceptions. This piddling around by conservatives with those in the top tier because they have been led to believe they are "electable" (medias take), will result in conservatives being on the endangered list, sooner, rather than later.
I don't think Dobson can endorse a candidate as such and it may have something to do with a tax-exempt status. I am not sure why pro-family evangelicals and everyone else isn't getting behind Hunter in a big way, but that's me.
The talk of conservatives compromising their core beliefs and the presumptive portents of who is and isn't electable and who can't and can beat Hillary; This is what will elect Hillary. Any group willing to compromise their core to get one in the win column had better enjoy that win, if it comes. What that group is left with is an empty shell and empty shells aren't known for their winning ways nor advancing their causes.
All of the damage to the entire U.S. that even more amnesty for illegal immigrants would create thanks to a President Hillary Clinton and Democratic Congressional majorities is even scarier! The Democrats would also create legislature which would always allow illegal immigrants the right to vote throughout the U.S.!
I have severe doubts about Fred. He spent too much time with the dogs in Hollywierd. I believe he has many fleas that we don’t see now. :0)