Skip to comments.The Values Test [Dobson Will Back Third-Party if Giuliani is Nominated]
Posted on 10/04/2007 10:19:26 PM PDT by Soft Bigotry
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America’s Evangelicals: Stabbing us in the back since 2000!
They are so easily led around they must be dizzy half the time.
The demise of the conservative Christian community may be the next fatality on Hillary's road to the White House. If they do not use their influence to stop from her getting elected in 2008, they will either be silenced by her or prove their own impotence by 2012.
From your comments, you obviously want to continue the demonizing of James Dobson.
If anyone on this Thread bothers to read what he actually said...
..rather than make up things as they go along, or take parts of statements and distort them....
...they might understand his concerns better.
I can do no more.....I've defended and defended.
You and others will continue to demonize in hopes of neutralizing the man.
It's obvious there is an agenda ....even among some at Free Republic....to negate the voices of the 'social conservatives'.....
It is a sad day indeed!
Playing into Hillary's hands is the first victory for the other side. The judges she will appoint will do alot more than secure abortion rights once they sit (for an ever-lengthening lifetime) on the bench.
Dobson: “Spite is godly. Vote for spite: elect Hillary!”
“If he backs any candidate other than a Republican he will be pulling a Ross Perot and giving the election to Hillary Clinton....”
Maybe that’s the plan ....
James Dobson wouldn’t be so worried if the stoopid Republican apparatchiks didn’t open their primaries to non-party members.
Same diff. Thinking like that got of eight years of Bill.
Your words are unconscionable!...You are unconscionable!
I'm thinking you are correct. Dobson is starting to act like a grandstanding demogogue.
bvw: “Our hardest-working friends are our enemies! Bash friends! Bash Dobson!”
I totally agree with you. This is a conservative website. I don’t think any one even answered you.
Does Dobson seriously consider Mitt Romney to be an acceptable choice for President? What does Dobson think about Mitt Romney?
Well, if you literally believe Hillary Clinton is Satan, I think you'd have to go "Christian third party", right?
bvw: “Don’t elect Hillery by omission! Vote the GOP. Fight for your candidate in the primary, support whomever wins the party nod. Otherwise bow before Queen Hillary and Consort Billy Jeff”
He's not nearly as important as he cries out to be, plus, if there is any third party that takes off, it would be an independent Bloomberg run which could really cause electoral havoc to both of the two parties strategies
A pro-life single issue platform would be in a '4th' or '5th party' position. Barely a blip, a craction of a percent, not a double digit result.
You can have Alito, Scalia, Roberts (who Giuliani specifically mentioned as the kind of justices he would nominate)
Stevens, Ginsberg, or Kennedy
Ya know, I’m religous, I’m right-wing, and I don’t like Rudy Guiliani as Republican candidate for president (he’d be fine as a Democrat...). But I think this Dobson person is really full of himself.
This makes me think less of Dobson. These “leaders” who think they have such power that they can influence what others think and do, have an inflated view of themselves.
is not this guy
He's the equivalent of this fraud
Wikipedia says the Constitution Party is only on the ballot in 15 states, and not even as “the Constitution Party” in about half of those - so it’d have to be some sort of independent run, and I don’t know what the rules are on getting on the ballot that way.
And there is enough unrest to pull of a hijacking of the Republican conservative voters who are attracted to a “Conservative Republican Party.”
The bottom line, though, is that anyone who nominates Rudy DESIRES to lose to Hillary. They know that conservative Christians can never vote for a pro-abortion candidate.
They should switch to a candidate like Hunter, Huckabee, Thompson, who support life. As it stands, Rudy has zero chance of winning.
Why don’t you throw a temper tantrum there Dobbs?
Supporting a third party candidate will only help Hillary.
History repeats. No lesson learned. Welcome Hillary and Socialism.
So if FT is the great candidate being espoused so rabidly on every thread here, then why are so many here concerned about Rudy being nominated? This just doesn't make sense to me.
Wrong. We got Bill Clinton because we chose Bob Dole. If we get Hillary it will be because we chose Giuliani.
HILLARY? - We would for sure get two more very liberal replacements.
RUDY, MITT, or THOMPSON? - All three have said they would look for Judges in the likes of Alito, Scalia, and Thomas.
Four years of the most conservative President we could imagine is not going to overturn Roe vs Wade - but appoint two more Ginsburg’s and it will dash all hopes for the next 20 years.
Not hardly. He is a devout Christian who wants a sure enough pro-lifer on the ticket.
I just don’t think it’s that simple. I don’t know that I agree with Dobson, but I sure am never going to diss such a great man as casually as you.
But if life, marriage, taxes, guns and the rest aren’t the edges to the “tent,” where are they? It’s a real question. IF we simply vote for ANYONE who has an “R” after his name, then where are the edges of “R”?
Dobson: "You're welcome my Queen! May I kiss your feet and grovel in the mud before you?"
Aw gee, and I was really pulling for Peltier!
If Rudy gets the nomination then Hillary wins automatically by default, so you had better do everything to shoot down Rudy now while there is still time instead of trying to guilt Christians into whoring their principles.
The MSM is in overdrive to demonize Dobson and split the Republican party. And FReepers are falling for their game. Shame.
I’m trying to figure out if those who are expressing hatred for Dobson are either:
1) just naively duped by the MSM attacks against him
2) prejudiced to hate high-profile Christians
It’s really boggling that so many are falling for the MSM’s attempts to split the Republican party.
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Perot is directly responsible for the gift of eight disasterous years of Clinton.
I have met and admire James Dobson. But, as an evangelical Christian, I will work tirelessly against anyone, or any group that seeks to divide the conservative vote.
Life is full of choices, it is the way mankind was created. To make the best choices means we dont always get a full plate. Certainly we want everything according to our beliefs, but at the time we pull the lever, the choice should be for the one who will provide the most - who fundamentally is a strong leader, grounded in Christian values - even if they arent referred to as such.
Conservatives should work both sides of the street - for the best conservative candidate and against the liberal candidate. Whoever wins the primary should receive our full endorsement and efforts. Hilary must not move into the WhiteHouse.
That’s the who reason they push Rudy on us. They know the GOP will lose it’s Christian base. It’ll completely destroy the GOP.
Agreed. It is simply a matter of more Republicans willing to sacrifice principles for the false hope of some "media savvy" electable candidate.
[...] will result in conservatives being on the endangered list, sooner, rather than later.
No, I don't believe that is true. Conservatism is ingrained in American culture. The forces that are bending the Republican Party to the left will certainly cause losses in elections this year and in years to come, but Conservatism will survive. Whether that is because Republicans reject this silly foray into Globalism or because the Conservatives reform under a new banner remains to be seen.
I don't think Dobson can endorse a candidate as such and it may have something to do with a tax-exempt status.
I have heard that elsewhere, and it may be true- I know that Dobson makes no bones about whom he rejects (Giuliani, Romney, and Thompson so far, I believe) which is what would be expected IMO. One could further expect a rejection of Paul. Huck is probably safe as a minister, though he is unpalatable to me... but other than that Dobson is pointing to a candidate or two by the attrition of the others.
I expect that Evangelicals will wind up in the Huck/ Tanc/ Hunter area with a pretty heavy lean toward Hunter.
What that group is left with is an empty shell and empty shells aren't known for their winning ways nor advancing their causes.
Exactly so, and it is nearly there now... Ever so close to the tipping point. The difference now is that there is less desire in Conservatives to fight for it anymore, at least not with the Republicans. It could be third party time.
And Dobson is being slammed by FReepers because he’s said he’s not voting for Rudy.
It’s a sad day for FR.
I listened to the exchange with Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council (FRC) on yesterday’s Hugh Hewitt show. As an evangelical Christian that has supported Focus on the Family and several of the other organizations that were represented in the SLC meeting, I will use whatever influence I have (including monetary) to let the leaders of these organizations know that if they do not support the Republican nominee in a potential contest against Hillary Clinton (or Barack Obama, or John Edwards), then I will not support their organizations.
“So, I guess you intend to help Hillary”
All you have is scary tales? Vote for the liberal or the liberal might win! “Republican Party! Because we’re (not quite) as liberal as the Democrats.”
Conservatives DO NOT vote for Pro-abort, Pro-Gay, Pro-Illegal Alien LIBERALS! It matters NOT what letter follows their name.
Should the Republican party decide that it is “safe” to nominate and run a POS liberal fitting the above description, they DESERVE to lose and I do not believe that it is a lesson they or ANY political party would soon forget.
Apparantly ‘06 wasn’t enough for them. Maybe they really ARE the stupid party.
We must ensure that we do NOT end up with the following choices:
Candidate A --UNACCEPTABLE (Rudy)
Candidate B --MORE UNACCEPTABLE (Hillary)
The operative word above is UNACCEPTABLE. If you want to unite the Party and ENERGIZE the base, Candidate A must be at least ACCEPTABLE.
“Dobson is being too much of a purist if supporting a 3rd party....remember Ross Perot in the 92 elections gave us Bill Clinton. A little history lesson here is in order. GOP may not have the most stellar candidates for Dobson but better stay with it to help keep out the HildeBeast Reich.”
If I had a crayon I’d write on the screen so you pro-lib repubs could understand it; CONSERVATIVES DON’T VOTE FOR LIBERALS! I am a Christian CONSERVATIVE. I could no more vote for a pro-abort, pro-gay politician than I CAN SPREAD MY F&$@ING WINGS AND FLY!
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