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The Values Test [Dobson Will Back Third-Party if Giuliani is Nominated]
The New York Times ^ | October 4, 2007 | JAMES C. DOBSON

Posted on 10/04/2007 10:19:26 PM PDT by Soft Bigotry

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To: Soft Bigotry

America’s Evangelicals: Stabbing us in the back since 2000!

They are so easily led around they must be dizzy half the time.


151 posted on 10/05/2007 4:19:43 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: Soft Bigotry
If the RNC is stupid enough to ram Rudy, McCain or Romney down our throats, there will be projectile vomit from me!
152 posted on 10/05/2007 4:24:05 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: Dustbunny
You're absolutely right. If Dobson was really pro-family, he would never do anything to support the Presidency of Shrillary. This is a formula for another eight years of hypocrisy and dissolution of American culture and nuclear family. After eight years of Bill and all the havoc he wrought upon our society, I can't believe that any thinking person would do anything that might help her, of all people, get into the Oval Office.

The demise of the conservative Christian community may be the next fatality on Hillary's road to the White House. If they do not use their influence to stop from her getting elected in 2008, they will either be silenced by her or prove their own impotence by 2012.

153 posted on 10/05/2007 4:28:38 AM PDT by MHT
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To: Soft Bigotry; BibChr
And so it continues....

From your comments, you obviously want to continue the demonizing of James Dobson.

If anyone on this Thread bothers to read what he actually said...

..rather than make up things as they go along, or take parts of statements and distort them....

...they might understand his concerns better.

I can do no more.....I've defended and defended.

You and others will continue to demonize in hopes of neutralizing the man.

It's obvious there is an agenda ....even among some at Free Republic....to negate the voices of the 'social conservatives'.....

It is a sad day indeed!

154 posted on 10/05/2007 4:35:34 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: frankiep
The Christian community is crazy if one thing, abortion, is a more important election issue to them than Islam. There is a war on Christianity in the the media and the fate of western civilization itself is at risk in the rest of the world. To be so myopic about one domestic issue is suicidal, both politically and physically.

Playing into Hillary's hands is the first victory for the other side. The judges she will appoint will do alot more than secure abortion rights once they sit (for an ever-lengthening lifetime) on the bench.

155 posted on 10/05/2007 4:36:01 AM PDT by MHT
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To: Soft Bigotry

Dobson: “Spite is godly. Vote for spite: elect Hillary!”


156 posted on 10/05/2007 4:38:52 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Soft Bigotry
Dobson just doesn't realize that if the Witch gets into the oval with help from useful idiots like himself, he and his group will be immediately audited and some type of fairness doctrine law will keep him off the air. IDIOT!
157 posted on 10/05/2007 4:42:22 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Dustbunny

“If he backs any candidate other than a Republican he will be pulling a Ross Perot and giving the election to Hillary Clinton....”

Maybe that’s the plan ....


158 posted on 10/05/2007 4:42:34 AM PDT by Mr. C
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To: Soft Bigotry

James Dobson wouldn’t be so worried if the stoopid Republican apparatchiks didn’t open their primaries to non-party members.


159 posted on 10/05/2007 4:43:12 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Repeal the Terrible Two - the 16th and 17th Amendments.)
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To: Soft Bigotry
He should just cut out the middleman and endorse Shrillery!(TM)

Same diff. Thinking like that got of eight years of Bill.

160 posted on 10/05/2007 4:44:06 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: american_ranger
Your post is THE scummiest, most deplorable, vile I have read here at Free Republic.

Your words are unconscionable!...You are unconscionable!

161 posted on 10/05/2007 4:48:36 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: Soft Bigotry
I wonder if Dobson isn’t testing his own political power here; maybe he wants to run at the top of the ticket of this third party?

I'm thinking you are correct. Dobson is starting to act like a grandstanding demogogue.

162 posted on 10/05/2007 4:48:37 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: bvw

bvw: “Our hardest-working friends are our enemies! Bash friends! Bash Dobson!”


163 posted on 10/05/2007 4:49:38 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: COgamer

I totally agree with you. This is a conservative website. I don’t think any one even answered you.


164 posted on 10/05/2007 4:50:55 AM PDT by seemoAR (Absolute power corrupts absolutely)
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To: Soft Bigotry

Does Dobson seriously consider Mitt Romney to be an acceptable choice for President? What does Dobson think about Mitt Romney?


165 posted on 10/05/2007 4:51:15 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: bigjoesaddle
There are times I briefly think a Christian third party is a good idea...then I remember we are up against Satan HERself.

Well, if you literally believe Hillary Clinton is Satan, I think you'd have to go "Christian third party", right?

166 posted on 10/05/2007 4:51:26 AM PDT by Soft Bigotry
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To: BibChr

bvw: “Don’t elect Hillery by omission! Vote the GOP. Fight for your candidate in the primary, support whomever wins the party nod. Otherwise bow before Queen Hillary and Consort Billy Jeff”


167 posted on 10/05/2007 4:55:52 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Soft Bigotry
I hope Dobson doesn't encourage another party and end up handing the whole thing to Hillary.

Carolyn

168 posted on 10/05/2007 4:57:48 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: 6ppc
“I wonder if Dobson isn’t testing his own political power here; maybe he wants to run at the top of the ticket of this third party?”

I don’t believe Dr. Dobson is interested in a presidential run. But what confuses me is that there are one or two alternative parties he should already know about and be interested in, if he’s thinking about endorsing a third party.
169 posted on 10/05/2007 5:03:12 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: Soft Bigotry
James Dobson 'contributes' to the right like Al Shaprton contributes to african americans. He's a poverty pimp of a different flavor, in it for himself.

He's not nearly as important as he cries out to be, plus, if there is any third party that takes off, it would be an independent Bloomberg run which could really cause electoral havoc to both of the two parties strategies

A pro-life single issue platform would be in a '4th' or '5th party' position. Barely a blip, a craction of a percent, not a double digit result.

  Presidential
Candidate
Vice Presidential
Candidate
Political
Party
Popular Vote Electoral Vote
B George W. Bush Richard Cheney Republican 62,040,610 50.73% 286 53.16%
R John Kerry John Edwards Democratic 59,028,439 48.27% 251 46.65%
G Ralph Nader Peter Camejo Independent 463,655 0.38% 0 0.00%
Y Michael Badnarik Richard Campagna Libertarian 397,265 0.32% 0 0.00%
Y Michael Peroutka Charles Baldwin Constitution 144,499 0.12% 0 0.00%
Y David Cobb Pat LaMarche Green 119,859 0.10% 0 0.00%
Y Write-ins - - 36,585 0.03% 0 0.00%
Y Leonard Peltier Janice Jordan Peace & Freedom 27,607 0.02% 0 0.00%
Y Walt Brown Mary Alice Herbert Socialist 10,822 0.01% 0 0.00%
Y Roger Calero Arrin Hawkins Socialist Workers 10,795 0.01% 0 0.00%
Y None of these Candidates - - 3,688 0.00% 0 0.00%
Y Thomas Harens Jennifer Ryan Christian Freedom 2,387 0.00% 0 0.00%
Y Gene Amondson Leroy Pletten Concerns of People 1,944 0.00% 0 0.00%
Y Bill Van Auken Jim Lawrence Socialist Equality 1,857 0.00% 0 0.00%
Y John Parker Teresa Gutierrez Workers World 1,646 0.00% 0 0.00%
Y Charles Jay Marilyn Taylor Personal Choice 946 0.00% 0 0.00%
Y Stanford Andress Irene Deasy Independent 804 0.00% 0 0.00%
Y Earl Dodge Howard Lydick Prohibition 140 0.00% 0 0.00%
Seal


170 posted on 10/05/2007 5:09:46 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Brimack34

You can have Alito, Scalia, Roberts (who Giuliani specifically mentioned as the kind of justices he would nominate)

OR

Stevens, Ginsberg, or Kennedy


171 posted on 10/05/2007 5:12:21 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Soft Bigotry

Ya know, I’m religous, I’m right-wing, and I don’t like Rudy Guiliani as Republican candidate for president (he’d be fine as a Democrat...). But I think this Dobson person is really full of himself.

Go Fred!


172 posted on 10/05/2007 5:12:54 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: Soft Bigotry

This makes me think less of Dobson. These “leaders” who think they have such power that they can influence what others think and do, have an inflated view of themselves.


173 posted on 10/05/2007 5:15:32 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma (Democrats--Al Qaeda's best friends)
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To: Dustbunny
James Dobson

is not this guy

He's the equivalent of this fraud


174 posted on 10/05/2007 5:17:09 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

Wikipedia says the Constitution Party is only on the ballot in 15 states, and not even as “the Constitution Party” in about half of those - so it’d have to be some sort of independent run, and I don’t know what the rules are on getting on the ballot that way.


175 posted on 10/05/2007 5:17:21 AM PDT by Soft Bigotry
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To: Albion Wilde

See #139

And there is enough unrest to pull of a hijacking of the Republican conservative voters who are attracted to a “Conservative Republican Party.”

The bottom line, though, is that anyone who nominates Rudy DESIRES to lose to Hillary. They know that conservative Christians can never vote for a pro-abortion candidate.

They should switch to a candidate like Hunter, Huckabee, Thompson, who support life. As it stands, Rudy has zero chance of winning.


176 posted on 10/05/2007 5:17:26 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Soft Bigotry

Why don’t you throw a temper tantrum there Dobbs?

Supporting a third party candidate will only help Hillary.


177 posted on 10/05/2007 5:19:57 AM PDT by Vanbasten
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To: Soft Bigotry

History repeats. No lesson learned. Welcome Hillary and Socialism.


178 posted on 10/05/2007 5:21:48 AM PDT by Hattie
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To: Ol' Sparky
Then, you're stating you'd rather be stuck without a chance at conservative President for eight years and are willing to see the Republicans lose considerably more seats in Congress and become an entrenched minority for, likely, a decade.

So if FT is the great candidate being espoused so rabidly on every thread here, then why are so many here concerned about Rudy being nominated? This just doesn't make sense to me.

179 posted on 10/05/2007 5:33:21 AM PDT by Hattie
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To: Albion Wilde
We got Bill Clinton because of Ross Perot.

Wrong. We got Bill Clinton because we chose Bob Dole. If we get Hillary it will be because we chose Giuliani.

180 posted on 10/05/2007 5:38:39 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Soft Bigotry
Who would Dobson rather pick the replacements for Supreme Court Justices Ginsburg and Stevens?

HILLARY? - We would for sure get two more very liberal replacements.

RUDY, MITT, or THOMPSON? - All three have said they would look for Judges in the likes of Alito, Scalia, and Thomas.

Four years of the most conservative President we could imagine is not going to overturn Roe vs Wade - but appoint two more Ginsburg’s and it will dash all hopes for the next 20 years.

181 posted on 10/05/2007 5:56:01 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Dustbunny
“I think that Dobson must be a closet Democrat if he pulls a stunt like this.”

Not hardly. He is a devout Christian who wants a sure enough pro-lifer on the ticket.

182 posted on 10/05/2007 5:58:38 AM PDT by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: stockstrader
It was FISCAL conservatives that voted for Perot, not Socons...

It may suck for some, but fiscal conservatives and social conservatives need each other and the Republican Party is the ONLY viable option today.
183 posted on 10/05/2007 6:09:37 AM PDT by jonathanmo (No tag available at this time.)
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To: bvw

I just don’t think it’s that simple. I don’t know that I agree with Dobson, but I sure am never going to diss such a great man as casually as you.

But if life, marriage, taxes, guns and the rest aren’t the edges to the “tent,” where are they? It’s a real question. IF we simply vote for ANYONE who has an “R” after his name, then where are the edges of “R”?


184 posted on 10/05/2007 6:10:12 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Soft Bigotry
Hitlery: "Thanks. I'll begin my Coronation as Queen of Socialism now!"

Dobson: "You're welcome my Queen! May I kiss your feet and grovel in the mud before you?"

185 posted on 10/05/2007 6:13:30 AM PDT by Doc Savage (I have a fever,... and the only cure is more cowbell...)
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To: finnman69

Aw gee, and I was really pulling for Peltier!


186 posted on 10/05/2007 6:16:09 AM PDT by Doc Savage (I have a fever,... and the only cure is more cowbell...)
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To: Soft Bigotry
You SOBs have been warned repeatedly and well in advance.

If Rudy gets the nomination then Hillary wins automatically by default, so you had better do everything to shoot down Rudy now while there is still time instead of trying to guilt Christians into whoring their principles.

187 posted on 10/05/2007 6:23:09 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Soft Bigotry

The MSM is in overdrive to demonize Dobson and split the Republican party. And FReepers are falling for their game. Shame.


188 posted on 10/05/2007 6:27:36 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Preachin'

I’m trying to figure out if those who are expressing hatred for Dobson are either:

1) just naively duped by the MSM attacks against him

2) prejudiced to hate high-profile Christians

It’s really boggling that so many are falling for the MSM’s attempts to split the Republican party.


189 posted on 10/05/2007 6:29:57 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Soft Bigotry
If neither of the two major political parties nominates an individual who pledges himself or herself to the sanctity of human life, we will join others in voting for a minor-party candidate. Those agreeing with the proposition were invited to stand. The result was almost unanimous.

In my heart, I would tend to agree, but fortunately I also have a Brain and evidently these people are not so equipped. A third party candidate gave us Bill Clinton in 1992! The Hillary Party needs to have a third party so that her 52+% NEGATIVES do not keep her from getting elected. Dobson is going to give us the Witch by his support for a third party.

The other issue discussed at length concerned the advisability of creating a third party if Democrats and Republicans do indeed abandon the sanctity of human life and other traditional family values. Though there was some support for the proposal, no consensus emerged.

Evidently, there is still hope that these people will come to their senses. Rudy has at least PROMISED to nominate Strict Constructionists as Justices for the SUPREME COURT. What do you think you will get from Witchess in chief HILLARY?

RamS
190 posted on 10/05/2007 6:31:06 AM PDT by RamingtonStall (More Guns ==> Less Crime! Get your CHL today! http://www.ohioccw.org/)
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To: Theo
The MSM is in overdrive to demonize Dobson and split the Republican party. And FReepers are falling for their game. Shame.

The DRIVE-BY MEDIA Strikes again! At least the Drive-By's are smart enough to know that Hillary can never get above 50%. Now, let's see if the Proletariat is smart enough to see through their game!

RamS
191 posted on 10/05/2007 6:38:53 AM PDT by RamingtonStall (More Guns ==> Less Crime! Get your CHL today! http://www.ohioccw.org/)
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To: Soft Bigotry

To prevent duplication, please do not alter the title. Thanks.


192 posted on 10/05/2007 6:55:06 AM PDT by Lead Moderator
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To: Soft Bigotry

Perot is directly responsible for the gift of eight disasterous years of Clinton.

I have met and admire James Dobson. But, as an evangelical Christian, I will work tirelessly against anyone, or any group that seeks to divide the conservative vote.

Life is full of choices, it is the way mankind was created. To make the best choices means we don’t always get a full plate. Certainly we want everything according to our beliefs, but at the time we pull the lever, the choice should be for the one who will provide the most - who fundamentally is a strong leader, grounded in Christian values - even if they aren’t referred to as such.

Conservatives should work both sides of the street - for the best conservative candidate and against the liberal candidate. Whoever wins the primary should receive our full endorsement and efforts. Hilary must not move into the WhiteHouse.


193 posted on 10/05/2007 6:55:27 AM PDT by elpadre
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To: Theo
“It’s really boggling that so many are falling for the MSM’s attempts to split the Republican party.”

That’s the who reason they push Rudy on us. They know the GOP will lose it’s Christian base. It’ll completely destroy the GOP.

194 posted on 10/05/2007 7:05:29 AM PDT by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: WildcatClan
I agree, but only far-right in terms of todays political climate and perceptions.

Agreed. It is simply a matter of more Republicans willing to sacrifice principles for the false hope of some "media savvy" electable candidate.

[...] will result in conservatives being on the endangered list, sooner, rather than later.

No, I don't believe that is true. Conservatism is ingrained in American culture. The forces that are bending the Republican Party to the left will certainly cause losses in elections this year and in years to come, but Conservatism will survive. Whether that is because Republicans reject this silly foray into Globalism or because the Conservatives reform under a new banner remains to be seen.

I don't think Dobson can endorse a candidate as such and it may have something to do with a tax-exempt status.

I have heard that elsewhere, and it may be true- I know that Dobson makes no bones about whom he rejects (Giuliani, Romney, and Thompson so far, I believe) which is what would be expected IMO. One could further expect a rejection of Paul. Huck is probably safe as a minister, though he is unpalatable to me... but other than that Dobson is pointing to a candidate or two by the attrition of the others.

I expect that Evangelicals will wind up in the Huck/ Tanc/ Hunter area with a pretty heavy lean toward Hunter.

What that group is left with is an empty shell and empty shells aren't known for their winning ways nor advancing their causes.

Exactly so, and it is nearly there now... Ever so close to the tipping point. The difference now is that there is less desire in Conservatives to fight for it anymore, at least not with the Republicans. It could be third party time.

195 posted on 10/05/2007 7:07:54 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Vote for FrudyMcRomson -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: Preachin'

And Dobson is being slammed by FReepers because he’s said he’s not voting for Rudy.

It’s a sad day for FR.


196 posted on 10/05/2007 7:45:44 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Dustbunny

I listened to the exchange with Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council (FRC) on yesterday’s Hugh Hewitt show. As an evangelical Christian that has supported Focus on the Family and several of the other organizations that were represented in the SLC meeting, I will use whatever influence I have (including monetary) to let the leaders of these organizations know that if they do not support the Republican nominee in a potential contest against Hillary Clinton (or Barack Obama, or John Edwards), then I will not support their organizations.


197 posted on 10/05/2007 7:53:02 AM PDT by Binghamton_native
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To: Dustbunny

“So, I guess you intend to help Hillary”

All you have is scary tales? Vote for the liberal or the liberal might win! “Republican Party! Because we’re (not quite) as liberal as the Democrats.”

Conservatives DO NOT vote for Pro-abort, Pro-Gay, Pro-Illegal Alien LIBERALS! It matters NOT what letter follows their name.

Should the Republican party decide that it is “safe” to nominate and run a POS liberal fitting the above description, they DESERVE to lose and I do not believe that it is a lesson they or ANY political party would soon forget.

Apparantly ‘06 wasn’t enough for them. Maybe they really ARE the stupid party.


198 posted on 10/05/2007 7:53:10 AM PDT by Grunthor (I'd be Catholic but I don't speak latin and don't wanna learn just to go to church.)
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To: athelass
If we turn out in the primaries we can make sure Rudy doesn't get the nomination. It's not like we don't have any other choices!

GREAT POST!

We must ensure that we do NOT end up with the following choices:

Candidate A --UNACCEPTABLE (Rudy)

Candidate B --MORE UNACCEPTABLE (Hillary)

The operative word above is UNACCEPTABLE. If you want to unite the Party and ENERGIZE the base, Candidate A must be at least ACCEPTABLE.

199 posted on 10/05/2007 7:53:46 AM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will ENERGIZE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: tflabo

“Dobson is being too much of a purist if supporting a 3rd party....remember Ross Perot in the ‘92 elections gave us Bill Clinton. A little history lesson here is in order. GOP may not have the most stellar candidates for Dobson but better stay with it to help keep out the HildeBeast Reich.”

If I had a crayon I’d write on the screen so you pro-lib repubs could understand it; CONSERVATIVES DON’T VOTE FOR LIBERALS! I am a Christian CONSERVATIVE. I could no more vote for a pro-abort, pro-gay politician than I CAN SPREAD MY F&$@ING WINGS AND FLY!


200 posted on 10/05/2007 7:57:13 AM PDT by Grunthor (I'd be Catholic but I don't speak latin and don't wanna learn just to go to church.)
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