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The Values Test [Dobson Will Back Third-Party if Giuliani is Nominated]
The New York Times ^ | October 4, 2007 | JAMES C. DOBSON

Posted on 10/04/2007 10:19:26 PM PDT by Soft Bigotry

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To: Twink
I really don’t think Guiliani or any repub candidate, even McCain, could cause the kind of damage to this country that Hillary/Obama/Edwards can.

Have you considered the damage RINOs like Christie Todd Whitman and Arnold Schwarzenegger have done when elected.

Which President gave us the largest expansion of government since the Lyndon Johnson administration?

Which President put David Souter on the Supreme Court? John Paul Stevens?

221 posted on 10/05/2007 11:20:59 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Ol' Sparky
Other 2002, name a mid-term election where the party in the White House hasn't lost seats

1998

222 posted on 10/05/2007 11:25:13 AM PDT by scarface367 (The problem is we have yet to find a cure for stupid)
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To: seemoAR

No. Hillary Clinton and her “husband” have harmed the USA more than any other political pair I have seen in my more than 50 years. It’s my opinion that we can tolerate Rudy for 4 years - 4 years of the Clintons I think we could not tolerate.

There’s a difference between taking what some view as distasteful and immoral positions on social issues (abortion, for example) and outright criminality, which is the difference between Rudy and the Clintons. The latter are a mix of Rudy’s views and the activities of a Mafia Don. The trump card is that letting the democrat party take control will force us to surrender to the islamic nazis simultaneously bankrupting the country and ushering in an era of leftwing totalitarianism not seen since Stalin. The Clintons are that bad, IMHO.

I appreciate your view and hope you understand mine.


223 posted on 10/05/2007 11:28:28 AM PDT by astounded (Democrats in Congress = A Clear and Present Danger to the USA)
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To: Dustbunny

I think that Dobson must be a closet Democrat if he pulls a stunt like this.
If he backs any candidate other than a Republican he will be pulling a Ross Perot and giving the election to Hillary Clinton....................................................

I DON`T UNDERSTAND....Why doesn`t every good Republican just get behind this threat and nip Rudy G in the bud NOW?

Another thing...Why would it not be the fault of those that supported Rudy, rather than blaming the Christian wing of the party??

Why is it not just the fault of the loser Republicans that insist on Rudy?? That`s what I don`t understand.

Lets put the blame where it belongs.


224 posted on 10/05/2007 11:28:34 AM PDT by thepresidentsbestfriend (God Bless Fred Thompson, Duncan Hunter, and Huck.)
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To: stockstrader

I would love a true blue conservative in the white house. And like most politicians, Rudy panders to whoever he’s trying to get to vote for him.

Rudy has said he will nominate a constitutionalist as his supreme court appointee. Will he? I have no idea. He may , he may not.

But I know this. Hillary’s husband nominated RBG. That’s what she LIKES. She will definately go for another RBG.

This is politics. I would love to be 100% principled, and stand up and say, I would never vote for anyone but the most perfect candidate. But I am practical. Would I take someone who panders to me, and may or may not put in a good candidate, or would I take someone who with every breath in her body will fight for socialism and humanism and proabortion, and has sworn to put such people on the court?

I will vote for Rudy, and have no moral problem with it at all. Hillary must be defeated.

Just think, of how she will reach into your life to keep you from running it according to biblical principles. How she will start to control the schools. (for the children). To recreate the country according to her humanist, progressive ideals. How she will control your life. How she will control your health. How she will start to order how you live (For your own good). How she will take your income from you. How she will bring homosexuality into the mainstream. How many children will die when she expands abortion programs all over the globe.

It can’t be allowed. We must fight with every weapon at our disposal to keep her from a position of power.


225 posted on 10/05/2007 11:29:38 AM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: XeniaSt
XeniaSt asked: Is Dobson still supporting Ted Haggard ?

Not publicly, no. He said he didn't have time to help with Haggard's supposed "restoration therapy" that took place soon after the whole thing broke last fall. Basically, Dobson issued a statement before it was know to be true that it was awful that the media was spreading rumors and lies - I can't remember his exact words - but that was it in a nutshell. After it all turned out to be true (and more), Dobson no longer had time to help his once close friend.

Make of that what you will.

226 posted on 10/05/2007 11:30:46 AM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: elpadre
If he continues, maybe we should put some highway signs out in Colorado Springs saying “JAMES DOBSON SUPPORTS HILARY CLINTON.”

Just don't put them too close to the signs that say "Ronald Reagan Highway" near Monument Hill, please.

227 posted on 10/05/2007 11:50:43 AM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: astounded

I do understand your opinion, it is about what I expected. Vote for the devil as long as he, she, or it is a republican. :0)


228 posted on 10/05/2007 12:11:17 PM PDT by seemoAR (Absolute power corrupts absolutely)
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To: seemoAR

Yes - if it’s against the Clinton criminals.


229 posted on 10/05/2007 12:28:42 PM PDT by astounded (Democrats in Congress = A Clear and Present Danger to the USA)
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To: mountainbunny

I’m 1000 miles away - put them where it will get James’s attention and help change his misguided way in this matter.


230 posted on 10/05/2007 1:53:10 PM PDT by elpadre
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To: Soft Bigotry; All
Maybe you should read the thread.

No one here likes Guiliani; the question is, is the site willing to split with the Republican Party over it?

That is the “split” to which I refer.
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Yes I read the thread,,,

This is what I referred to,,,:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821435/posts

Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We’ve got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God’s existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children’s education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I’m going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?

231 posted on 10/05/2007 2:54:59 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Soft Bigotry
It’s about time! We’ve had two ‘hold-your-nose-and-vote cycles’. Enough is enough. We showed the moderates (liberals who don’t like paying taxes) the door this last time. It’s time for those guys to hold their noses. Just hold your elite little noses and vote for the conservative. Don’t worry my cheeky little moderate friends. You can tell your friends at your pro-abortion and queer rallies that you voted dem.
232 posted on 10/05/2007 2:59:37 PM PDT by samm1148 (Pennsylvania-They haven't taxed air--yet)
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To: astounded
“We cannot allow another “Perot Moment” here.”

You could easily turn it around and say that people voting for George Walker Bush kept Perot from winning the presidency...

Sounds like you are just whining.

233 posted on 10/05/2007 3:19:40 PM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend
We are not behind Rudy, we prefer Duncan Hunter but will probably vote for Thompson in the primary in order to make sure that Rudy DOES NOT BECOME THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE in the 2008 election for President.

If Rudy does become the candidate we will vote for him as we would prefer him to another Clinton as President, Hillary is a MARXIST.

234 posted on 10/05/2007 4:41:28 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: xzins
You are exactly correct, GB58. I, too, will NEVER vote for Rudy for any reason. Ever.

So if he wins the primary, it is very imperative for the rest of us Christians to know; WHO will you then vote for???

235 posted on 10/05/2007 4:46:33 PM PDT by danamco (Now, I would LOVE to hear your solution as to how to remove 12 to 30 million people from this countr)
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To: Dustbunny

We are not behind Rudy, we prefer Duncan Hunter but will probably vote for Thompson in the primary in order to make sure that Rudy DOES NOT BECOME THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE in the 2008 election for President.
If Rudy does become the candidate we will vote for him as we would prefer him to another Clinton as President, Hillary is a MARXIST.

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ONLY 1 QUESTION FOR YOU??? You say WE are not behind Rudy and We prefer Duncan Hunter and We will vote for him...

Who is the “WE” you speak of in your post?? Just curious, who do you represent beside yourself :)


236 posted on 10/05/2007 5:11:56 PM PDT by thepresidentsbestfriend (God Bless Fred Thompson, Duncan Hunter, and Huck.)
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To: stockstrader; Dustbunny; sheprd; SoConPubbie

Understand this: We're talking about POLITICIANS and POLITICAL parties in a DEMOCRACY. By their self-preservationist natures, both politicians and parties respond to issues that they think will help them get elected, and don't respond to issues that don't seem to make a difference in whether they get elected. If we want politicians that completely refuse to represent our values on:

1. Sanctity of Life
2. Sanctity of Marriage
3. Constitutional Judges (not activist ones)
4. Gun Rights
5. Fiscal Issues and Federalism

Then, by all means, we should vote for Rudy under any circumstance. But if we do, then the Republican party will continue to morph into a party that succumbs to values that are exactly the opposite of our own. If we vote for Rudy anyway, then we've trained the elephant into thinking that it's okay to step on our right foot as long as he doesn't touch our left.

If Rudy is the nominee, and if there is an upright third-party candidate, the Republican party can go ahead and watch my vote jump ship. Yes, it would be unfortunate if our elephant won't be able to perform in the circus this next term, but the hell if I'm going to let him step on my right foot!


237 posted on 10/05/2007 5:19:37 PM PDT by E-Mat (Duncan Hunter Understands : Made in China = Arms for Tyrants)
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend

WE - myself, my husband, both of my daughters and their husbands and all five of our grand children. Unfortunately my parents passed away this year or they would have also voted as we plan on voting. Eleven votes, not many but we hope they help.


238 posted on 10/05/2007 6:23:39 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: frankiep

“Because, in reality, voting for a third party will do nothing more than split the Republican vote and literally hand the White House to Hillary on a silver platter. Now which would you rather have if that’s what it came down to?”

On moral issues, there is NO difference between H & G. If the Republican Party is going to abandon moral clarity, then it is time to abandon the Republican Party. Moral Value voters have become to the RNC what Black voters are to the DNC.


239 posted on 10/05/2007 6:45:32 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: danamco
"So if he wins the primary, it is very imperative for the rest of us Christians to know; WHO will you then vote for???"

First of all I doubt the reality of you being a Christian if you vote for a Pro-Abort, Pro-Gay candidate.

Secondly, whoever is still running and is not Pro-Abort and not Pro-Gay and mind you, if we have Hillary and Rudy as the nominees of their respective parties, there will be a third alternative that is NOT Pro-Abort and Pro-Gay.
240 posted on 10/05/2007 7:14:15 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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