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The Trance Bush . . . Clinton . . . Bush . . . Clinton . . . Getting very sleepy . . . [Noonan]
Wall Street Journal ^ | Friday, October 5, 2007 12:01 a.m. EDT | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 10/05/2007 5:10:37 AM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner

Barack Obama has a great thinking look. I mean the look he gets on his face when he's thinking, not the look he presents in debate, where they all control their faces knowing they may be in the reaction shot and fearing they'll look shrewd and clever, as opposed to open and strong. I mean the look he gets in an interview or conversation when he's listening and not conscious of his expression. It's a very present look. He seems more in the moment than handling the moment. I've noticed this the past few months, since he entered the national stage. I wonder if I'm watching him more closely than his fellow Democrats are.

(Excerpt) Read more at opinionjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; clinton2008; elections; noonan; nothirdterm; obama; oligarchy; unconstitutional
I never understood the antipathy to Jeb Bush before, but I guess I do now. People are just tired of the same old families.
1 posted on 10/05/2007 5:10:39 AM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

Peg’s got a crush!


2 posted on 10/05/2007 5:14:55 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
People are just tired of the same old families.

Definitely!

This is what we've seen since 1981:

Bush 1 as VP for 8 years followed by
Bush 1 as Pres for 4 years followed by
Clinton 1 as Pres for 8 years followed by
Bush 2 as Pres for 8 years followed by, very probably,
Clinton 2 as President for 8 years by 2016.

That means a Bush or Clinton continuously in the Administration (VP and President) for 35 years.


Surely, we can find some other equally or more qualified candidates!

Neither the Bushes nor the Clintons have been that stellar of leaders.

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3 posted on 10/05/2007 5:24:39 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy
Neither the Bushes nor the Clintons have been that stellar of leaders.

You've noticed... (me too)

4 posted on 10/05/2007 5:31:01 AM PDT by colorcountry (If the plain sense makes sense, seek no other sense, lest you get nonsense! ~ J. Vernon McGee)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

""Dad. You. Me. Hillary. Jeb, Chelsea, Juanita, .... "

5 posted on 10/05/2007 5:41:18 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Peggy is just a bitter childish old female Pat Buchanan impersonator. Never understood the blind adoration people have for this perpetual whiner.
6 posted on 10/05/2007 5:50:34 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/ vrs the "Worse than Watergate Congress")
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To: TomGuy
Well what do we expect? The American people are petty whiners continually carping because not everything can be ordered 100% to their immediate satisfaction the second a President takes office. A President is subjected to the most bitter infantile petulant personal attacks and demagoguery by a Junk media, wholly incompetent at their OWN jobs, who are so arrogant they think THEY have the answers for everything.

No wonder our best and brightest look at this clown circus that is American Politics in the boomer era and say “Screw this for a sad sick joke”.

7 posted on 10/05/2007 5:54:16 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/ vrs the "Worse than Watergate Congress")
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To: TomGuy
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8 posted on 10/05/2007 5:54:32 AM PDT by Roccus (Hillary........brought to you by the PRC)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Well, now I can save myself from ever having to read Noonan again. (and I used to like some of her stuff) If she thinks that Biden and Dodd are "serious" candidates..well.no point reading any further..
9 posted on 10/05/2007 5:56:15 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

Peggy writes beautifully even if she has to build up some of the other Dims to rip down the Clinton crime family.


10 posted on 10/05/2007 6:01:59 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Fred Thompson 2008, no need to "suspend disbelief" with him)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

We have a country full of intelligent, educated, innovative thinkers and all the powers that be choose are puppets to haul their agendas around.

Clinton, Bush, Clinton, Bush, now Hillary is talking about Bill being an integral part of her administration.

Baloney! Please. Give us some choice. Isn’t there a person out there who is not crony-connected and just a continued same ‘ol, same ‘ol thing!?

Or is any choice in this election just an illusion?

I ask this of both liberals and conservatives and indi’s. Where is the choice? Who picked these people on the left and right to represent the parties? All of them are ridiculous representations!


11 posted on 10/05/2007 6:12:56 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Bump.

The end of the article expresses exactly how I feel and why I support Duncan Hunter rather than those who have the ins with the Republican financial donors.

The most important part is the money lines. Power is expensive. The second most important part is the word "winner." The Bushes are winners; the Clintons are winners. We know this, they've won. The Bushes are wired into the Republican money-line system; the Clintons are wired into the Democratic money-line system. For a generation, two generations now, they have had the same dynamics in play, only their friends are on the blue team, not the red, or the red, not the blue.

They are, both groups, up and ready and good to go every election cycle. They are machines. . . .

Is this good for our democracy, this air of inevitability? Is it good in terms of how the world sees us, and how we see ourselves? Or is it something we want to break out of, like a trance?

It would be understandable if they were families of a most extraordinary natural distinction and self-sacrifice. But these are not the Adamses of Massachusetts we're talking about. You've noticed, right?

12 posted on 10/05/2007 6:18:17 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: TomGuy

The Globalist cabal marches on.


13 posted on 10/05/2007 6:20:47 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: MNJohnnie

http://www.reaganlibrary.com/reagan/speeches/dday_pdh.asp

That speech is one of many speeches that Noonan wrote and that many admire.

I also loved this piece:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110006523


14 posted on 10/05/2007 6:22:09 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: ken5050

It’s worth reading to the end of the article. I think Noonan knows her game. She writes not to the base of the Republican party but as a moderate that reaches out across party lines with a basically conservative viewpoint (who does the article ultimately attack? Hillary Clinton).


15 posted on 10/05/2007 6:24:10 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: MNJohnnie
The American people are petty whiners continually carping because not everything can be ordered 100% to their immediate satisfaction the second a President takes office.

It's one of the largest voting bases (at least on our side), the Temper Tantrum voter.

16 posted on 10/05/2007 6:27:56 AM PDT by mnehring ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!"- Jim Robinson, Sept, 30, 2007)
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To: OpusatFR

Think, “RULING CLASS”!


17 posted on 10/05/2007 6:29:20 AM PDT by Roccus (Hillary........brought to you by the PRC)
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To: Roccus

Think, “PITCH FORKS!”


18 posted on 10/05/2007 6:34:58 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: ken5050
If she thinks that Biden and Dodd are "serious" candidates..well.no point reading any further..

I don't know about Dodd, but Joe Biden is thoughtful, responsible, and well-qualified.

Wrong on issues? Yes. I would never vote for him.

But a system which has Hillary EFFIN' Clinton ahead of a man like Biden for the leftist party nomination is seriously troubled, which I think was Peggy's point.

19 posted on 10/05/2007 6:40:58 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Anyway, I've started to lean forward a little when he talks. (Obama)

and

Has the Democratic Party noticed it actually has some impressive candidates?

and

(Joe Biden) He is impressive. Why don't the Democrats notice?

and

Chris Dodd is ...sophisticated...one of the grownups

I could'nt read any further.

Poor Peggy. It doesn't look like she'll ever get over not being recognized by the Bush administration as the end all she had become in her own mind during the Reagan years. She was actually very good then. But she's become the poster child for "a woman scorned" - in addition, she often sounds like she had a personal crush on Bush, who wouldn't look at her or any other woman sideways in that way.

Peggy has been an embarrassment to her former self for some years now, but with this article, I think she's jumped the final shark.

One can wonder if she isn't coddling up to the rats thinking maybe THEY will recognize her obvious omnipotent abilities...

20 posted on 10/05/2007 6:57:29 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: OpusatFR
Isn’t there a person out there who is not crony-connected and just a continued same ‘ol, same ‘ol thing!?


21 posted on 10/05/2007 7:00:30 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: MNJohnnie
Never understood the blind adoration people have for this perpetual whiner.

The adoration comes from the style of her writing, not the substance of what she writes. Unlike most writers, journalists, and commentators, Peggy is actually a talented writer.

It's too bad that she's not a true-blue conservative. I'm just glad that she's half-way conservative and that the libs don't have someone with her talent.
22 posted on 10/05/2007 7:17:03 AM PDT by Texas2step (<><)
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To: MNJohnnie

Glad to see you have no problem with having only Bushes and Clintons in power for going on a quarter century.


23 posted on 10/05/2007 7:21:49 AM PDT by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: TomGuy

Note she’s running as “Hillary” (like Cher and Madonna), not Hillary Clinton or Mrs. Clinton.
One bit of Democrat backlash she faces in this race is that people see:

1980 Ronald Reagan/George HW Bush
1984 Ronald Reagan/George HW Bush
1988 George HW Bush/Dan Quayle
1992 Bill-Hillary Clinton (our first co-presidents)/Al Gore
1996 Bill-Hillary Clinton/Al Gore
2000 George W Bush/Dick Cheney
2004 George W Bush/Dick Cheney

and the possibly of Hillary Clinton again in immediate succession. Two families at the top for potentially 30 years (2008/2012).

What the Democrats don’t acknowledge is how incestuous their presidential tickets have always been. There hasn’t been a lot of blood in the running.

1892 Democrat ticket: Grover Cleveland/Adlai Stevenson WON
1896 Democrat ticket: William Bryan/Arthur Sewall(Thomas Watson) LOST
1900 Democrat ticket: William Bryan/Adlai Stevenson LOST
1908 Democrat ticket: William Bryan/John Kern LOST
1924 Democrat ticket: John Davis/Charles Bryan LOST
1952 Democrat ticket: Adlai Stevenson II/John Sparkman LOST
1956 Democrat ticket: Adlai Stevenson II/Estes Kefauver LOST
1992 Democrat ticket: William Clinton/Albert Gore Jr. WON
1996 Democrat ticket: William Clinton/Albert Gore Jr. WON
2000 Democrat ticket: Albert Gore Jr./Joseph Lieberman LOST

A bunch of perpetual candidates in this list. Charles Bryan was the brother of perpetual presidential loser William Jennings Bryan (who also lost his fight against Darwinism in the 1920s). Two of the perpetual candidates held the office of VP; Adlai never got the presidency although his namesake grandson did get the nomination. Adlai II’s VP runing mate Estes Kefauver left fellow Tennessee senator Albert Gore Sr. in the dust (both tried to get the party nomination for president) thus passing the loser baton to another generation.

Don’t get started looking at how they all attended the same law schools at roughly the same time...


24 posted on 10/05/2007 7:41:39 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
That means a Bush or Clinton continuously in the Administration (VP and President) for 35 years.

The plan is working for the global elitists. It's been in place and being executed in front of our noses...we are being taken down slowly but surely. The media?...they carry the water and condition the masses...

25 posted on 10/05/2007 7:42:02 AM PDT by oust the louse ("NEVER LET THE ENEMY PICK THE BATTLESITE".....General George S. Patton,Jr.)
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To: ksen

I’m with Noonan....

we need fresh blood.


26 posted on 10/05/2007 9:17:42 AM PDT by cowdog77 (" Are there any brave men left in Washington, or are they all cowards?")
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To: TomGuy

With any luck, Web Hubbel’s daughter will finally get a chance to break this two family monopoly in 2016, or perhaps just after!!


27 posted on 10/05/2007 9:39:40 AM PDT by willgolfforfood
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
While there's much here I like, her getting all mushy over Obama and Dodd is silly. Dodd is a thuggish buffoon, Obama's "thoughtfulness" is just as programmed as anything any other poltician does. I've never seen him in a spontaneous moment.

I like Peggy Noonan, but sometimes when she's on TV struggling and failing to rhapsodize, I wish the host would say "Oh, Peggy, come down to earth and just speak a normal sentence, we won't think less of you if you speak clearly."

28 posted on 10/05/2007 9:32:39 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (If I don't it respond it might be because you sent me something stupid)
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To: oust the louse

Conditioning, indeed. Before long, Americans will be afraid to vote for someone who isn’t a Bush or Clinton.


29 posted on 10/05/2007 9:41:35 PM PDT by MK11
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