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Vatican book on Templars' demise
BBC ^ | October 5, 2007

Posted on 10/05/2007 1:44:55 PM PDT by NYer

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To: SaltyJoe

> Today’s un- (or rather), anti-Catholic Masons are wholly against the Sacraments and all Teachings of Christ.

What arrant nonsense!


151 posted on 08/04/2008 3:43:20 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: sasportas

> No doubt, there will be many Masons posting on this claiming their hero has been vindicated. Trouble is, you’ll never know they are Masons. Most of them won’t identify themselves as such.

What rubbish. I’m a Mason. In fact, most Masons are quite happy to identify themselves as such.


152 posted on 08/04/2008 3:48:14 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: NYer

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153 posted on 08/04/2008 3:50:56 PM PDT by VOA
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To: mnehrling

> The problem is the earliest Scottish Lodges were started in the early 15th century (the UGLE in early 18th century) while the Templars themselves where eliminated in the early 1307, a century earlier.

For speculative Freemasonry, perhaps. The operative Freemasons and their guilds were around long before that: amongst other things they built the Cathedrals.


154 posted on 08/04/2008 4:05:21 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

You are correct, I am referring to the speculative Blue Lodges. Guild Freemasonry have probably been around as long as the concepts of craft guilds existed.


155 posted on 08/04/2008 4:11:05 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Most Masons are quite happy to identify themselves as such.

Took you a while. You are quoting my Oct. 2007 post. Why didn’t you address this back when others who are inquisitive about Freemasonry might check out what Masons have to say about it, rather than now on a dead thread? The fact that you are just now posting this has nothing to do with you identifying yourself? Surely not.

Ok, then, on identification, please provide for me the names of Masons running for national office that identify themselves as such. Not just on the national level, I know of none on the state or even the city level that identify themselves as such...and I happen to have known some of these that in fact were, or are, Masons.


156 posted on 08/04/2008 5:32:54 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: NYer

Not much of a secret archive if everyone knows about it. I had read that the library is NOT open to the public, so perhaps that’s why peeps call it secret.


157 posted on 08/05/2008 9:29:23 AM PDT by Jaded (does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: joebuck

Wasn’t this from around the time that the French King moved the Vatican to France for 100 or so years? The French Kings appointed the popes.


158 posted on 08/05/2008 9:40:40 AM PDT by Jaded (does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Hacksaw; NYer
Actually the Pope was a lackey of the French King.

That can't be right. I've been told that the Popes controlled the entire world until Luther!

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!

159 posted on 08/05/2008 11:39:20 AM PDT by Jaded (does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: sasportas

> Took you a while. You are quoting my Oct. 2007 post. Why didn’t you address this back when others who are inquisitive about Freemasonry might check out what Masons have to say about it, rather than now on a dead thread?

Sorry, the October thread was referenced yesterday on a thread concerning the Templars, here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2056401/posts

I took from that the thread to still be live.

> The fact that you are just now posting this has nothing to do with you identifying yourself? Surely not.

So far as identifying myself as a Mason goes, it’s even easier than that: it’s on my About page, always has been.

What I said is correct: most Masons, if asked politely, will acknowledge their membership.

> Ok, then, on identification, please provide for me the names of Masons running for national office that identify themselves as such.

To get this information, your best bet is to contact each of them and ask them. Belonging to the Masons is not a masonic secret, and most masons if asked politely will tell you that they belong.

But it is a private question, a bit like being asked your political or religious affiliations or which bank you do business with or which Doctor is your GP. But it certainly isn’t secret.


160 posted on 08/05/2008 3:01:01 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Good post. I’ll take you at your word. Thanks for responding.


161 posted on 08/05/2008 6:54:14 PM PDT by sasportas
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