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Threat to vets' 2nd Amendment rights on hold
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | October 6, 2007 | Not attributed

Posted on 10/06/2007 4:15:52 PM PDT by editor-surveyor

An anchor has been attached to a proposal in the U.S. Senate that will slow down progress on the plan that could be used to permanently remove a person's right to own a gun in the United States, according to an organization opposing the measure.

Eric Pratt, a spokesman for Gun Owners of America, told WND that Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., has attached a "hold" to the plan, H.R. 2640, dubbed the "Veterans Disarmament Act," which means that while the bill remains alive, its advance will be delayed considerably.

Pratt's group earlier launched a campaign encouraging citizens to call their U.S. senators and ask them to oppose the bill that could be described as "disarmament by diagnosis."

The Gun Owners also are being joined by other organizations in opposing the proposal, including the Military Order of the Purple Heart, and now the American Legion.

"The American Legion, the nation's largest wartime veterans' service organization, strongly opposes specific provisions of H.R. 2640 … that would unilaterally abrogate the rights of certain service-connected disabled veterans to own firearms, a right guaranteed by the Second Amendment," the group said in a newly released statement.

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..."But those who staff the NRA, without consulting the membership, have now made a series of strange and dangerous alliances with the likes of Chuck Schumer, Carolyn McCarthy, and Pat Leahy. And we believe that, if allowed to continue, this will produce anti-gun policies which the NRA staff will bitterly regret."

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NRA continues to dance with the enemy, while GOA continues to carry the real load.
1 posted on 10/06/2007 4:15:53 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: JohnHuang2; Iris7; MindBender26; NoControllingLegalAuthority; BykrBayb; cannonball; rocksblues; ...

Defend your country, lose your rights.


2 posted on 10/06/2007 4:22:25 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: editor-surveyor

I remember my great grandad telling stories when he came back from WWII - not sure if it’s an urban legend or not but Eleanor Roosevelt suggested putting the armed forces in camps when they came back because of their exposure to all that violence ... had to be rehabilitated before they would be allowed back into society ....


3 posted on 10/06/2007 4:27:34 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("There is no distinctly Native American criminal class...save Congress - Mark Twain")
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To: editor-surveyor
That’s the most ludicrous bunch of bs I have ever read lately. You’re either stupid or lied to by the GOA. The GOA has never, and I mean never accomplished a single thing in their entire history. That is a documented fact. This will be the first time and if they can do it I will applaud their effort.

Now there is the question regarding part of this bill that would have reinstated some people’s Rights from as far back as the 1960’s. Is the GOA going to see that part of this bill is passed?

4 posted on 10/06/2007 4:31:01 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: editor-surveyor
A couple of more Virginia Tech’s and no one will be allowed to own guns
5 posted on 10/06/2007 4:35:40 PM PDT by tubebender ( Freeper's Dog Bo ate my Tag Line... Again!)
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To: Shooter 2.5

We all know that you’re the NRA’s chief propagandist here.

Save your breath.


6 posted on 10/06/2007 4:38:23 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: editor-surveyor

“The National Rifle Association (NRA) supports the bill, which its board member and House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman John Dingell (D-Mich.) helped to craft....”

Shame on the NRA for falling for this trojan horse Dingell. Dingell was the last holdout to the Gun Control Act of 1968, also.....then he sold out.

Do you know that the “new” Detroit Veterans Hospital is named for him?


7 posted on 10/06/2007 4:39:19 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Shooter 2.5
"Now there is the question regarding part of this bill that would have reinstated some people’s Rights from as far back as the 1960’s. Is the GOA going to see that part of this bill is passed?"

Total red herring. You should be less gullible.

8 posted on 10/06/2007 4:40:44 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: SkyDancer
Hillary Clinton is 100 times worse than Eleanor Roosevelt!! We must STOP HER! Fred08 - Contribute Now
9 posted on 10/06/2007 4:45:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791)
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To: editor-surveyor

The GOA is peddling a load of crap this time.


10 posted on 10/06/2007 4:48:31 PM PDT by Elsiejay (,)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

True True True .... just wondering about that story ....


11 posted on 10/06/2007 4:50:46 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("There is no distinctly Native American criminal class...save Congress - Mark Twain")
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To: editor-surveyor
staff the NRA, without consulting the membership, have now made a series of strange and dangerous alliances with the likes of Chuck Schumer, Carolyn McCarthy, and Pat Leahy.

Schumer is a smarmy bastard.

All he's gonna need to launch a full frontal assault on the Second Amendment is for The Beast to occupy the Oval Office.

Which is another reason why I'm stocking up on black guns and ammo.

12 posted on 10/06/2007 4:52:09 PM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: Elsiejay

Yeah, no kidding. And the GOA supporters still lay claim they have the best group fighting gun control. Have you ever noticed they can never report exactly what the GOA has ever done since they started collecting member’s money?

I told one supporter that I would love to work for him/her. All I would have to do is send emails once in awhile explaining what a great job I was doing instead of actually doing something.

How can someone state a no compromise position if they have never done anything?


13 posted on 10/06/2007 4:54:40 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Elsiejay
"The GOA is peddling a load of crap this time."

You need to get better informed. This bill is a danger to every gun owner.

14 posted on 10/06/2007 4:55:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Worse- if this bill passes and becomes law, what will the effect be on the willingness of young men, especially those from families with a tradition of hunting, to enlist for any of the armed forces where they might be called to real combat?
15 posted on 10/06/2007 5:04:44 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Elsiejay

Even if this is a “load of crap”, we had better slow the bill down long enough so we all can understand the consequences fully.


16 posted on 10/06/2007 5:05:52 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat

Probably part of the real intent of the bill.


17 posted on 10/06/2007 5:06:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: SkyDancer

I was a kid when the WWII vets were coming home and the liberals were all wringing their hands that there would be a bloodbath because these guys “were used to all that violence.”

Later on these libs complained that the 50s were “boring”. It seemed that all those “bloodthirsty” veterans wanted nothing more than peace and tranquility as they tried to make up for four lost years of their lives.


18 posted on 10/06/2007 5:10:33 PM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Elsiejay

There isn’t anything in this bill that would have stopped veterans from losing their Rights. A doctor’s, Veterans Administration or psychologist’s diagnosis isn’t a adjudication or commitment under the law. Since 1968, some veterans lost their Rights to own a gun and there hasn’t been a procedure for that Right to be restored. This bill would have corrected that oversight.

So the GOA stops a law that would have actually restored some people’s rights if they would have had this law in place. They get to finally claim they did something for the first time and the NRA isn’t accused of giving weapons to lunatics like the media would have claimed.

Sounds like a win/win to me.


19 posted on 10/06/2007 5:22:48 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: editor-surveyor
NRA continues to dance with the enemy, while GOA continues to carry the real load

Story has been posted here and debunked several times, it's just a bunch of worldnet whatever BS.

But then I bet you did a search didn't you.

20 posted on 10/06/2007 5:28:07 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: org.whodat

You do the search. The story is factual, as are 99.99% of stories at WND, and it is not the story that was posted earlier; it’s a new story (which you would know if you could read)


21 posted on 10/06/2007 5:31:44 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
"A doctor’s, Veterans Administration or psychologist’s diagnosis isn’t a adjudication or commitment under the law."

You have no reading comprehension. That is the chief feature of this bill; to let any quack psych take anyone's rights away with a stroke of their socialist pen. Wake up!

22 posted on 10/06/2007 5:35:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: editor-surveyor
as are 99.99% of stories at WND,

ROFLOL

23 posted on 10/06/2007 5:35:34 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: editor-surveyor
In 2006 Tim Walberg challenged the incumbent Joe Schwartz in the Republican primary for the Michigan 7th district US congressional seat.

Walberg is a lifetime NRA member with a perfect lifetime A NRA rating.

Schwartz is an anti-gun RINO that never had over a C NRA rating.

Just before the election the NRA changed Schwartz’s rating to an A and endorsed him!

Tim Walberg still won the primary and the general election but the NRA REFUSES to explain to Michigan gun owners what, if anything, was going on in their minds!!

24 posted on 10/06/2007 5:39:03 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: org.whodat

Would you like my used gum?


25 posted on 10/06/2007 5:40:01 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: Beagle8U
" but the NRA REFUSES to explain to Michigan gun owners what, if anything, was going on in their minds!!"

Me thinks that the people figured that out for themselves. The NRA has no cover anymore; they're fully aligned with the Bradys and the Schumers. Elitist fools.

26 posted on 10/06/2007 5:43:45 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: editor-surveyor

I don’t think the NRA is alligned with the gun banners but they are playing politics beyond that which supports gun owners.

Tim Walberg was clearly the best choice for gun owners and had a long record to prove it.


27 posted on 10/06/2007 5:49:30 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U

If the NRA isn’t aligned with the gungrabbers, then why do they openly support enforcing all the unconstitutional gun laws?


28 posted on 10/06/2007 5:53:32 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: editor-surveyor
As I said, I think its politics that have nothing to do with guns.

In the case I sited from 2006... Walberg was 100% pro-gun with a record to prove it, Schwartz a wishy-washy RINO that could give a crap less about the 2nd Amendment.

The Washington elite and President Bush were afraid Tim Walberg was too far Right to win and worried about the seat changing hands.

The NRA endorsed Schwartz for reasons that had nothing to do with gun rights or the interests of gun owners.

Tim Walberg won easily because this is a very conservative district full of gun owners!

29 posted on 10/06/2007 6:06:04 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: editor-surveyor

Next order of buisness, getting rid of the unconstitutional ex-post facto law called the Lautenberg amendment


30 posted on 10/06/2007 6:14:39 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: Beagle8U
The NRA endorsed Schwartz for reasons that had nothing to do with gun rights or the interests of gun owners.

If it had nothing to do with gun rights or gun owners interests then they shouldn't endorse anyone! They're "supposed" to be a gun RIGHTS organization. The NRA also endorsed John "Traitor" Murtha over Diana Irey in PA - talk about consorting with the enemy.

31 posted on 10/06/2007 6:20:07 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: editor-surveyor
There's also a good piece at HR 2640 IS JANET RENO'S DREAM at NRA Director Ted Nugent's site.
32 posted on 10/06/2007 6:21:52 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I agree!

They need new leadership.


33 posted on 10/06/2007 6:22:34 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: snowsislander; org.whodat; Shooter 2.5

You should have flagged that to org.whodat and shooter. They think this is a good bill.


34 posted on 10/06/2007 6:36:14 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: editor-surveyor

I certainly don’t have a reading comprehension problem but perhaps like all the other HHA bashers you have a posting problem. Then clear it up. Post the full context of the bill and we will all read it for ourselves.


35 posted on 10/06/2007 6:41:23 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Blinded by yersterday’s eye surgery.
Not HHA but NRA bashers.


36 posted on 10/06/2007 6:43:24 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Shooter 2.5
"Post the full context of the bill and we will all read it for ourselves."

Here it is, start reading

37 posted on 10/06/2007 6:51:58 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: Shooter 2.5

The GOA has much higher standards than the NRA. The NRA has desperately tried to derail the Parker/Heller case at least twice. The first time was when they tried to bully their own lawsuit in DC (which failed) demanding that the Parker case be combined with theirs. When that didn’t work, they pushed the DC gun ban repeal AFTER Heller and Parker won in the appealate court.

Something that people need to understand about the NRA, they are a professional lobbying organization. THEY ARE NOT A 2ND AMENDMENT ORGANIZATION. They will do what they have to do in order to get a larger membership and bigger controversy.

As to the bill in question, the NRA is supposedly backing this because it will give money to BATFE’s rights restoration department. This has happened twice in the last dozen years and each time, the BATFE has re-allocated the money to enforcement. This time will be no different and the NRA knows it. So why are they willing to compromise once again on the 2nd Amendment?

I don’t mean to rag on you but I get sick of people trashing GOA when they have no clue what GOA has done for our rights. GOA spent more than double the money that the NRA did in order to ensure that the 1994 ban sunsetted in 2004. NRA of course tried to take the credit but the calls and letters I got were from GOA urging contact with the congresscritters. I received only one letter from NRA on the subject.

Mike


38 posted on 10/06/2007 6:55:35 PM PDT by BCR #226 (Abortion is the pagan sacrifice of an innocent virgin child for the sins of the mother and father.)
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To: Oatka

Duty
Honor
Country

Concepts that the Democrats do not know about and if they did they’d try to eliminate them as they are doing now ....


39 posted on 10/06/2007 6:58:18 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("There is no distinctly Native American criminal class...save Congress - Mark Twain")
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To: BCR #226

The GOA has no history of stopping any gun control or contributing toward gun rights on their own. The have no success record.

An inability to do something isn’t something to be proud of.

As far as Heller VS. The District of Columbia is concerned, I would be happy if the GOA would rent a couple of billboards around the Beltway in favor of Gun Rights. I’ll bet they can’t even do that successfully.

The person who started this thread made some outrageous claims. He was asked to post the bill and I doubt very much that it will be done. No better than you in which case you can’t post a single accomplishment from the GOA.

Any veteran who has ever had their Gun Rights removed by the VA can call the NRA legislative counsel at (730)267-1160. Anyone in the same situation and who wishes the same courtesy from the GOA is SOL.


40 posted on 10/06/2007 7:16:39 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: editor-surveyor

Try again. Post the bill.


41 posted on 10/06/2007 7:26:07 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: cowboyway
Which is another reason why I'm stocking up on black guns and ammo.

And not stored in any one place.

42 posted on 10/06/2007 7:29:36 PM PDT by Ron H.
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To: Shooter 2.5

Ever tried calling the NRA’s legislative counsel? Don’t sing it’s praises unless you’ve been down the road with them. I helped a very close friend when the NRA told him to take a hike.

Tell ya what, want me to acknowledge the NRA as a great entity? Get them to do the one thing that GOA has accomplished time and time again. Get the NRA to do it just once. Get them to not compromise on a good gun bill. Get them to stand strong just once.

Mike


43 posted on 10/06/2007 7:36:17 PM PDT by BCR #226 (Abortion is the pagan sacrifice of an innocent virgin child for the sins of the mother and father.)
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To: BCR #226

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - The NRA is the Jesse Jackson of the gun rights movement. They have to keep the “peons down on the plantation” in order for them to sit in their plush ivory tower in Fairfax and pay themselves huge salaries.


44 posted on 10/06/2007 7:46:59 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Thanks.


45 posted on 10/06/2007 7:53:42 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Shooter 2.5
There isn’t anything in this bill that would have stopped veterans from losing their Rights.

Freudian slip ???

Seriously and honestly though, does anyone think that whatever the damn bill says matters to the sleezes in DC ???they cant even acknowlege the plain wording of the 2A.

the years of lawyering needed to battle any gun laws are a waste of time & money.

compromise is infringement...chuckie is winning by a thousand cuts...

46 posted on 10/06/2007 7:59:40 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: BCR #226
The NRA legislative Legal counsel was able to get a guy’s guns back when he was traveling through New York with his guns. The NRA is involved with sixty cases right now. What does the GOA do? Nothing.

The NRA is suing New Orleans with the Second Amendment Foundation. What did the GOA do? Nothing.

Manufacture’s Protection Act? The NRA helped pass the bill. What did the GOA do? Nothing.

CCW Laws? The NRA again. What did the GOA do? They were kicked out of the Michigan negotiations because they said CCW laws are unconconstitutional. Did that help get the bill passed? Nope. Again, the GOA did nothing.

Does the dem party blame the GOA for the lack of gun control? Nope. They blame the NRA.

The GOA is a family owned t-shirt and novelties company.

47 posted on 10/06/2007 8:03:14 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Gilbo_3

Freudian slip ???

Eye surgery yesterday.


48 posted on 10/06/2007 8:04:43 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Shooter 2.5

That is the bill moron.

You are nothing but a loud mouth liar.

Everything that you have claimed here is categorically false, as usual.


49 posted on 10/06/2007 8:21:14 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: Shooter 2.5

The NRA has never accomplished anything for gun rights.

All they ever do is divert badly needed money from gun rights to fancy buildings and glitzy trips for tyrants.

GOA and JFPO are the only reliable effective orgs around.

Try brain surgery tomorrow.


50 posted on 10/06/2007 8:27:14 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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