Skip to comments.Threat to vets' 2nd Amendment rights on hold
Posted on 10/06/2007 4:15:52 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
An anchor has been attached to a proposal in the U.S. Senate that will slow down progress on the plan that could be used to permanently remove a person's right to own a gun in the United States, according to an organization opposing the measure.
Eric Pratt, a spokesman for Gun Owners of America, told WND that Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., has attached a "hold" to the plan, H.R. 2640, dubbed the "Veterans Disarmament Act," which means that while the bill remains alive, its advance will be delayed considerably.
Pratt's group earlier launched a campaign encouraging citizens to call their U.S. senators and ask them to oppose the bill that could be described as "disarmament by diagnosis."
The Gun Owners also are being joined by other organizations in opposing the proposal, including the Military Order of the Purple Heart, and now the American Legion.
"The American Legion, the nation's largest wartime veterans' service organization, strongly opposes specific provisions of H.R. 2640 that would unilaterally abrogate the rights of certain service-connected disabled veterans to own firearms, a right guaranteed by the Second Amendment," the group said in a newly released statement.
..."But those who staff the NRA, without consulting the membership, have now made a series of strange and dangerous alliances with the likes of Chuck Schumer, Carolyn McCarthy, and Pat Leahy. And we believe that, if allowed to continue, this will produce anti-gun policies which the NRA staff will bitterly regret."
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Defend your country, lose your rights.
I remember my great grandad telling stories when he came back from WWII - not sure if it’s an urban legend or not but Eleanor Roosevelt suggested putting the armed forces in camps when they came back because of their exposure to all that violence ... had to be rehabilitated before they would be allowed back into society ....
Now there is the question regarding part of this bill that would have reinstated some people’s Rights from as far back as the 1960’s. Is the GOA going to see that part of this bill is passed?
We all know that you’re the NRA’s chief propagandist here.
Save your breath.
“The National Rifle Association (NRA) supports the bill, which its board member and House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman John Dingell (D-Mich.) helped to craft....”
Shame on the NRA for falling for this trojan horse Dingell. Dingell was the last holdout to the Gun Control Act of 1968, also.....then he sold out.
Do you know that the “new” Detroit Veterans Hospital is named for him?
Total red herring. You should be less gullible.
The GOA is peddling a load of crap this time.
True True True .... just wondering about that story ....
Schumer is a smarmy bastard.
All he's gonna need to launch a full frontal assault on the Second Amendment is for The Beast to occupy the Oval Office.
Which is another reason why I'm stocking up on black guns and ammo.
Yeah, no kidding. And the GOA supporters still lay claim they have the best group fighting gun control. Have you ever noticed they can never report exactly what the GOA has ever done since they started collecting member’s money?
I told one supporter that I would love to work for him/her. All I would have to do is send emails once in awhile explaining what a great job I was doing instead of actually doing something.
How can someone state a no compromise position if they have never done anything?
You need to get better informed. This bill is a danger to every gun owner.
Even if this is a “load of crap”, we had better slow the bill down long enough so we all can understand the consequences fully.
Probably part of the real intent of the bill.
I was a kid when the WWII vets were coming home and the liberals were all wringing their hands that there would be a bloodbath because these guys “were used to all that violence.”
Later on these libs complained that the 50s were “boring”. It seemed that all those “bloodthirsty” veterans wanted nothing more than peace and tranquility as they tried to make up for four lost years of their lives.
There isn’t anything in this bill that would have stopped veterans from losing their Rights. A doctor’s, Veterans Administration or psychologist’s diagnosis isn’t a adjudication or commitment under the law. Since 1968, some veterans lost their Rights to own a gun and there hasn’t been a procedure for that Right to be restored. This bill would have corrected that oversight.
So the GOA stops a law that would have actually restored some people’s rights if they would have had this law in place. They get to finally claim they did something for the first time and the NRA isn’t accused of giving weapons to lunatics like the media would have claimed.
Sounds like a win/win to me.
Story has been posted here and debunked several times, it's just a bunch of worldnet whatever BS.
But then I bet you did a search didn't you.
You do the search. The story is factual, as are 99.99% of stories at WND, and it is not the story that was posted earlier; it’s a new story (which you would know if you could read)
You have no reading comprehension. That is the chief feature of this bill; to let any quack psych take anyone's rights away with a stroke of their socialist pen. Wake up!
Walberg is a lifetime NRA member with a perfect lifetime A NRA rating.
Schwartz is an anti-gun RINO that never had over a C NRA rating.
Just before the election the NRA changed Schwartz’s rating to an A and endorsed him!
Tim Walberg still won the primary and the general election but the NRA REFUSES to explain to Michigan gun owners what, if anything, was going on in their minds!!
Would you like my used gum?
Me thinks that the people figured that out for themselves. The NRA has no cover anymore; they're fully aligned with the Bradys and the Schumers. Elitist fools.
I don’t think the NRA is alligned with the gun banners but they are playing politics beyond that which supports gun owners.
Tim Walberg was clearly the best choice for gun owners and had a long record to prove it.
If the NRA isn’t aligned with the gungrabbers, then why do they openly support enforcing all the unconstitutional gun laws?
In the case I sited from 2006... Walberg was 100% pro-gun with a record to prove it, Schwartz a wishy-washy RINO that could give a crap less about the 2nd Amendment.
The Washington elite and President Bush were afraid Tim Walberg was too far Right to win and worried about the seat changing hands.
The NRA endorsed Schwartz for reasons that had nothing to do with gun rights or the interests of gun owners.
Tim Walberg won easily because this is a very conservative district full of gun owners!
Next order of buisness, getting rid of the unconstitutional ex-post facto law called the Lautenberg amendment
If it had nothing to do with gun rights or gun owners interests then they shouldn't endorse anyone! They're "supposed" to be a gun RIGHTS organization. The NRA also endorsed John "Traitor" Murtha over Diana Irey in PA - talk about consorting with the enemy.
They need new leadership.
You should have flagged that to org.whodat and shooter. They think this is a good bill.
I certainly don’t have a reading comprehension problem but perhaps like all the other HHA bashers you have a posting problem. Then clear it up. Post the full context of the bill and we will all read it for ourselves.
Blinded by yersterday’s eye surgery.
Not HHA but NRA bashers.
Here it is, start reading
The GOA has much higher standards than the NRA. The NRA has desperately tried to derail the Parker/Heller case at least twice. The first time was when they tried to bully their own lawsuit in DC (which failed) demanding that the Parker case be combined with theirs. When that didn’t work, they pushed the DC gun ban repeal AFTER Heller and Parker won in the appealate court.
Something that people need to understand about the NRA, they are a professional lobbying organization. THEY ARE NOT A 2ND AMENDMENT ORGANIZATION. They will do what they have to do in order to get a larger membership and bigger controversy.
As to the bill in question, the NRA is supposedly backing this because it will give money to BATFE’s rights restoration department. This has happened twice in the last dozen years and each time, the BATFE has re-allocated the money to enforcement. This time will be no different and the NRA knows it. So why are they willing to compromise once again on the 2nd Amendment?
I don’t mean to rag on you but I get sick of people trashing GOA when they have no clue what GOA has done for our rights. GOA spent more than double the money that the NRA did in order to ensure that the 1994 ban sunsetted in 2004. NRA of course tried to take the credit but the calls and letters I got were from GOA urging contact with the congresscritters. I received only one letter from NRA on the subject.
Concepts that the Democrats do not know about and if they did they’d try to eliminate them as they are doing now ....
The GOA has no history of stopping any gun control or contributing toward gun rights on their own. The have no success record.
An inability to do something isn’t something to be proud of.
As far as Heller VS. The District of Columbia is concerned, I would be happy if the GOA would rent a couple of billboards around the Beltway in favor of Gun Rights. I’ll bet they can’t even do that successfully.
The person who started this thread made some outrageous claims. He was asked to post the bill and I doubt very much that it will be done. No better than you in which case you can’t post a single accomplishment from the GOA.
Any veteran who has ever had their Gun Rights removed by the VA can call the NRA legislative counsel at (730)267-1160. Anyone in the same situation and who wishes the same courtesy from the GOA is SOL.
Try again. Post the bill.
And not stored in any one place.
Ever tried calling the NRA’s legislative counsel? Don’t sing it’s praises unless you’ve been down the road with them. I helped a very close friend when the NRA told him to take a hike.
Tell ya what, want me to acknowledge the NRA as a great entity? Get them to do the one thing that GOA has accomplished time and time again. Get the NRA to do it just once. Get them to not compromise on a good gun bill. Get them to stand strong just once.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - The NRA is the Jesse Jackson of the gun rights movement. They have to keep the “peons down on the plantation” in order for them to sit in their plush ivory tower in Fairfax and pay themselves huge salaries.
Freudian slip ???
Seriously and honestly though, does anyone think that whatever the damn bill says matters to the sleezes in DC ???they cant even acknowlege the plain wording of the 2A.
the years of lawyering needed to battle any gun laws are a waste of time & money.
compromise is infringement...chuckie is winning by a thousand cuts...
The NRA is suing New Orleans with the Second Amendment Foundation. What did the GOA do? Nothing.
Manufacture’s Protection Act? The NRA helped pass the bill. What did the GOA do? Nothing.
CCW Laws? The NRA again. What did the GOA do? They were kicked out of the Michigan negotiations because they said CCW laws are unconconstitutional. Did that help get the bill passed? Nope. Again, the GOA did nothing.
Does the dem party blame the GOA for the lack of gun control? Nope. They blame the NRA.
The GOA is a family owned t-shirt and novelties company.
Freudian slip ???
Eye surgery yesterday.
That is the bill moron.
You are nothing but a loud mouth liar.
Everything that you have claimed here is categorically false, as usual.
The NRA has never accomplished anything for gun rights.
All they ever do is divert badly needed money from gun rights to fancy buildings and glitzy trips for tyrants.
GOA and JFPO are the only reliable effective orgs around.
Try brain surgery tomorrow.