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CA: Alerts of ICE raids mulled
San Bernardino Sun ^ | 10/06/07 | Stacia Glenn

Posted on 10/06/2007 6:33:10 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

A network is being created to help illegal immigrants avoid that dreaded knock on the door in the wee hours.

In a recent two-week sweep touted as the largest of its kind, agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, arrested 1,300 illegal immigrants in the Southland at their homes, in jails or at work.

Antonio Bernabe, an organizer for the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, hopes to prevent ICE from ever again rounding up that many people during its large operations.

"The raids are supposed to be targeting the criminals but they are breaking up families, they are affecting the economy, they are affecting the communities," he said. "We are desperate to find a way to stop the raids."

The coalition is considering an e-mail or text-messaging network that would instantly notify hundreds of illegal immigrants that ICE is making its rounds.

That way, they can either leave the area temporarily or keep a low profile. ICE officers are not authorized to break down doors while searching for immigrants, but they often wait outside a home until someone emerges.

"The fact that anyone would consider setting up such a hot line to inform on law-enforcement activities is an insult to the American public and to law-abiding immigrants," said ICE field office director Jim Hayes.

Immigration activists said rounding up illegal immigrants who are just trying to provide for their family and are contributing to society is unfair. Federal authorities said entering the country illegally is a felony and ICE's job is to uphold the law.

"We have seen over and over again that raids do not fix our broken immigration system," said Angelica Salas, the coalition's executive director.

A "raid line" already exists in Orange County, disseminating as much information as organizers can gather.

Such networks or hot lines can put both federal agents and illegal immigrants in danger, ICE officials said, and sometimes bring charges for aiding and abetting criminals.

Plus, the alert networks can only do so much because federal agents are searching for specific individuals rather than going door-to-door, officials said.

"We don't announce in advance where we're going to be going," ICE spokeswoman Virginia Kice said.

The crackdown is part of a national effort targeting 597,000 immigrants who have ignored judicial orders to leave the country. ICE officials said they focus on illegal immigrants who pose a safety threat, such as gang members, sex offenders and drug traffickers.

Bernabe pointed out that only 269 of the 530 illegal immigrants who were tracked down in their communities had criminal records or had been ordered deported. The rest were undocumented immigrants who had no criminal records.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: California; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: alerts; boohoo; california; ice; mulled; raids
KNOCK KNOCK!!
1 posted on 10/06/2007 6:33:11 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
"We are desperate to find a way to stop the raids."

Just tell them to go home to Mexico.

2 posted on 10/06/2007 6:36:16 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: NormsRevenge
I believe that Hispanic tomtom works very well. In Reno they were running from almost every fast food place in town. Many were not given their jobs back. they also ran from several major warehouse operations. I know of one with personal knowledge that they were met at the door with final paychecks the next day.
3 posted on 10/06/2007 6:37:01 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (in the halls of Valhalla...)
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To: NormsRevenge

This guy is setting up his own sting operation, with him as the star!


4 posted on 10/06/2007 6:39:21 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: NormsRevenge

Keep movin’, movin’, movin’,
Though they’re disapprovin’,
Keep them doggies movin’ Rawhide!
Don’t try to understand ‘em,
Just rope and throw and grab ‘em,
Soon we’ll be living high and wide.

Move ‘em on, head ‘em up,
Head ‘em up, move ‘em out,
Move ‘em on, head ‘em out Rawhide!
Set ‘em out, ride ‘em in
Ride ‘em in, let ‘em out,
Cut ‘em out, ride ‘em in Rawhide.


5 posted on 10/06/2007 6:40:17 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: NormsRevenge
"The raids are supposed to be targeting the criminals but they are breaking up families,...

Yes.

Families of criminals.

.

6 posted on 10/06/2007 6:40:40 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: NormsRevenge

Aiding and abetting the enemy... I think that qualifies as treason.


7 posted on 10/06/2007 6:41:00 PM PDT by jmyrlefuller (The Associated Press: The most dangerous news organization in America.[TM])
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To: NormsRevenge

They are criminals. And they are breading up their own families by coming here.


8 posted on 10/06/2007 6:41:33 PM PDT by BeckB
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To: NormsRevenge

Can’t they be arrested and prosecuted for this the same as:

Dispatcher arrested on suspicion on tipping off suspects

A 26-year-old dispatcher for the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office was arrested Tuesday on suspicion he tipped off suspects that deputies were going to serve search warrants on them in an investigation into illegal gambling.

Christopher Scott Strang of Peoria was booked on 43 counts of hindering prosecution. (snip)
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/92318


9 posted on 10/06/2007 6:46:45 PM PDT by donna (Equal justice for U.S. citizens!)
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To: donna

a reverse whistle blower.. Thanks for that info..


10 posted on 10/06/2007 6:47:51 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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To: donna

I doubt he’ll be working the phones for Maricopa County anytime soon.


11 posted on 10/06/2007 6:48:48 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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To: BeckB

Yeah, but “only” slightly more than half are criminals.


12 posted on 10/06/2007 6:49:00 PM PDT by Grams A
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To: NormsRevenge
"The raids are supposed to be targeting the criminals..."

Apparently Mr. Bernabe is too stupid to understand that all illegal aliens are, by definition, criminals.

13 posted on 10/06/2007 7:02:13 PM PDT by DakotaGator
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To: NormsRevenge

Nothing a little obstruction of justice charge and a stretch in the Federal pen wouldn’t solve. Either we’re serious about enforcing our laws, or we’re not. Bush isn’t; I pray our next president will be.


14 posted on 10/06/2007 7:25:59 PM PDT by TrueKnightGalahad (Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the Viking Kitties!)
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To: JRios1968

ping pong tard


15 posted on 10/06/2007 7:32:11 PM PDT by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: NormsRevenge

A shame the article doesn’t give the phone number for the ‘raid hotline’.

We could call every day and “warn” them about how all construction sites in a city were going to be raided that day. Or daycare centers. Or day-labor setups outside Home Depot ... or ... Hospital Emergency Rooms. Give them a few made up names ICE is “looking for” in these supposed raids.

Have fun with it ! Be as creative as you like !

Let those employers decide whether the hassle of employing illegals is worth it when they can’t be sure the worker will show up on any given day.


16 posted on 10/06/2007 7:32:45 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Antonio Bernabe, an organizer for the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, hopes to prevent ICE from ever again rounding up that many people during its large operations.

Sounds like conspiracy charges, aiding and abetting known felons, and maybe even racketeering charges being needed here...

17 posted on 10/06/2007 7:37:09 PM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: NormsRevenge

Perhaps he should take a look at the state’s conspiracy laws in the course of his planning...


18 posted on 10/06/2007 7:38:58 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: NormsRevenge
"We have seen over and over again that raids do not fix our broken immigration system," said Angelica Salas, the coalition's executive director.

Typical leftist hype. We haven't 'seen' it 'over and over again', 'cause we haven't DONE it over and over again... yet. Give us a call in another year or so, Angie, baby.

19 posted on 10/06/2007 7:41:17 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: Kellis91789
Have fun with it ! Be as creative as you like !

"They're looking for some guy named 'Jose', but I can't read the last name here...."

20 posted on 10/06/2007 7:45:57 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: mad_as_he$$

This Bernabe character doesn’t understand. The real object of the game is to make life so miserable for illegals here that they just pack it in and go home.

As you yourself note, being warned of a bust ahead of time does not save them from losing their jobs and having their lives disrupted. If ICE had any brains they would put together a psyops unit specifically tasked to spread rumors and panic.

That said, can you just imagine how much the “quality of life” crimes will plummet when they know they can be collared and deported for getting caught driving drunk, littering, loitering, urinating in public, panhandling, causing a disturbance, etc.?


21 posted on 10/06/2007 7:56:20 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: ArmstedFragg
"They're looking for some guy named 'Jose', but I can't read the last name here...."

"I think his name is 'Jose Canyusee', they call his name at all the major sporting events, but he never shows up...."

22 posted on 10/06/2007 8:03:16 PM PDT by dirtbiker (I'm a liberal's worst nightmare: a redneck with a pickup, a library card, and a conceal carry permit)
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To: TheBattman
No, because being in the U.S. illegally isn’t a felony per se, nor can one be deported without a hearing. So they can alert all they want — but will the people get their jobs back?
23 posted on 10/06/2007 8:22:10 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (Kicking and Screaming into the Kingdom of Heaven.)
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To: NormsRevenge
If you illegally break into OUR country and bring your kids and ICE rounds you up and takes you away from your kids, am I supposed to feel sorry for you?

I don’t think so! But I will remind you that actions have consequences.

I bet, but don’t know for sure, that it’s illegal to report ICE’s business to other criminal aliens.

24 posted on 10/06/2007 8:54:28 PM PDT by upchuck (Hildabeaste as Prez... unimaginable, devastating misery!)
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To: sinanju
I like the psyops idea!!! It is truly about time that many faced the consequences of their illegal activities.
25 posted on 10/06/2007 9:37:09 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: ArmstedFragg

“...fix our broken immigration system...”

You know his idea of “fixing” the system is open immigration with no limits. That’s what all the “immigration activists” mean when they say “fix”.


26 posted on 10/06/2007 10:57:25 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Aiding and Abetting/Accessory;

A criminal charge of aiding and abetting or accessory can usually be brought
against anyone who helps in the commission of a crime, though legal
distinctions vary by state.

27 posted on 10/06/2007 11:05:08 PM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: NormsRevenge

“The raids are supposed to be targeting the criminals but they are breaking up families,...”

The families are more then welcome to leave also.


28 posted on 10/07/2007 8:38:41 AM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: NormsRevenge

Let them go ahead and set up the network then when they use it arrest them for obstruction of justice


29 posted on 10/07/2007 9:28:43 AM PDT by Shots
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To: sinanju
If ICE had any brains they would put together a psyops unit specifically tasked to spread rumors and panic.

Gather and exploit the SIGINT, send false alerts to those likely to 'rabbit' and bag 'em at the door.

30 posted on 10/07/2007 9:35:07 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Kellis91789

April 30, 2007 - 3:41pm — admin
Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles
2533 W. Third Street, Suite 101
Los Angeles, CA 90057

Telephone - 213.353.1333
Fax - 213.353.1344
Toll-free - 1.888.6-CHIRLA [1.888.624.4752]

No hotline but that is close enough. Someone with a Spanish accent should call and ask for the hotline number so we can post it.


31 posted on 10/07/2007 9:47:14 AM PDT by sheana
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To: sheana

Hmmm...

Seems to be the same address as the National Day Labor Organizing Network, and the California Partnership for Social Justice.

Anybody have that list of Soros funded organizations?


32 posted on 10/07/2007 10:06:57 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: ArmstedFragg

“Seems to be the same address as the National Day Labor Organizing Network, and the California Partnership for Social Justice.”
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Right out of Saul Alinsky’s handbook. Proliferation of immigrant’s rights organizations. On paper and press conference it looks like a mass movement. Just enough to convince credulous mediots and timid pols.


33 posted on 10/07/2007 10:48:13 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: NormsRevenge

what does ms. salas suggest, no enforcement?

deport every last one of these illegal lawbreakers NOW.


34 posted on 10/07/2007 10:49:29 AM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END Welfare)
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To: NormsRevenge

I came across a protest video tape at UCLA recently. The la raza (the race) were preaching about their stolen land and their ability to take it back. He mentioned the really stupid Congress we have sitting on their hands afraid to do anything about it.

He also brought up the fact that there are actually 40 million illegal aliens from Mexico and South America in the U.S. at this time. So if I hear anything more about the 10 mil. I’m just going to scream.

MS-13 gang needs to be deported they are ESPECIALLY dangerous.


35 posted on 10/07/2007 10:54:12 AM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END Welfare)
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To: sinanju

Yeah, it’s textbook all right. Take a look at the ‘about’ section on the Partnership site. They claim 120 organizations.


36 posted on 10/07/2007 11:15:08 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: television is just wrong

What’s kind of funny... in an ironic way... is that the very same organizations who are claiming that every illegal in the country is just a hard-working person looking to support a family, is opposed to government activity that would make that claim of theirs more accurate. I guess they believe ‘dealing the drugs Americans don’t want to deal’ is a legitimate occupation.


37 posted on 10/07/2007 11:21:33 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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