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Spitzer License Policy Under Increased Heavy Fire
The Buffalo News ^ | October 7, 2007 | Tom Precious

Posted on 10/07/2007 4:46:48 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest

ALBANY — Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer’s new policy that permits illegal immigrants to obtain New York State driver’s licenses is “an absurd” decision that will provide a new gateway for terrorists, a member of the federal commission that investigated the 2001 World Trade Center attacks warns.

“It’s a perfect formula for al-Qaida. They won’t be able to resist it. They will be able to come to New York,” said John Lehman, a former secretary of the Navy who served on the 9/11 Commission that warned of the nation’s vulnerabilities to terrorist strikes.

Lehman joins a growing number of critics of the new Spitzer policy, including two mayors involved in the recovery of the 9/11 attacks — Rudy Giuliani and Michael R. Bloomberg — and an assortment of law enforcement officials, Republicans and Democrats.

In an interview Saturday with The Buffalo News, Lehman said the state is undermining the many efforts made to improve security in New York City since 2001.

“It is not logical,” he said of the Spitzer policy, adding: “As we know, New York is target number one.”

Spitzer’s plan “is going to make life easier for illegals,” especially terrorists, counterfeiters and others who will have easy access to a valuable piece of identification, Lehman said.

Lehman also said the policy will put New York at odds with a looming federal identification program recommended by his commission, which noted how valuable identification cards are for terrorists in moving cash and traveling.

“It’s going to become a magnet to lawbreakers because the surrounding states will adhere to the federal standards,” he said. “So, New York becomes a sanctuary for al-Qaida and all sorts of other people on the lam.”

Conflicting goals

When he announced his new policy, Spitzer said it would make roads safer, get more drivers insured, provide a better accounting of people living in the state and bolster the state’s security in a post-September 11 world.

But the new policy, set to take effect in December, also includes components that could dissuade undocumented immigrants from rushing to the program. For instance, federal immigration officials could subpoena the state’s license records to track down illegal aliens, state officials concede.

While the Spitzer administration touts an expected $120 million drop in insurance costs because more people will be covered by policies, the savings for legal residents will add up to about $15 annually on a $1,000 policy.

Moreover, because they lack Social Security numbers used in running credit checks, illegal aliens likely would be dissuaded from buying insurance because they would end up paying expensive premiums, insurance company executives said. Though more drivers would be insured under the Spitzer policy, it remains uncertain what the impact will be on reducing accidents, traffic safety experts say.

And in a state especially sensitive to terrorist attacks, the new policy is raising the eyebrows of federal agents who patrol the borders, district attorneys and other law enforcement officials.

While most illegal aliens end up leading productive lives, law enforcement officials say they worry the policy could make it easier for terrorists to get their hands on a valuable form of identification that is used to open bank accounts, board airplanes and gain access to some public buildings.

“We are a border county,” Erie County District Attorney Frank Clark said. “My first concern is: Are we at conflict with any federal statutes and are we somehow lessening the trust and confidence people have in the New York driver’s license, which, as we all know, when anybody asks you for ID, they ask for a driver’s license?”

Border concerns

Along the northern border, another district attorney is less contemplative.

Border and immigration officials from northern New York to Buffalo have expressed concerns about the new policy, said Derek Champagne, the Franklin County district attorney.

Police along the borders are able to search vehicles if they stop someone without a license, Champagne said, and that has led to major drug busts and breaking up illegal-alien smuggling rings.

“I don’t think any of us want to be in a situation where something horrific happens and they were able to gain access because of one of these licenses,” he said.

Officially, federal border and homeland security agencies are withholding judgment, for now.

The policy, though, is raising complaints among Border Patrol agents working on the front lines.

“We have strong feelings against any proposal that will provide illegal immigrants with enticements to enter a state and hide in plain sight,” said T.J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, the union that represents about 10,000 Border Patrol agents. “There’s no doubt this would hamper homeland security.”

Bonner predicted the policy would make New York State a sanctuary for undocumented aliens. In fact, New York Motor Vehicles Commissioner David Swarts last week said his agency is gearing up for an expected rush of applications by illegal immigrants. The agency, for instance, is hiring 20 additional driving-test workers.

“If you reward this kind of behavior, you can expect to see it repeated over and over again,” Bonner said.

He noted that, of the 19 hijackers on Sept. 11 2001, all but one had a driver’s license that gave them a form of ID to use as they planned their plot. Similarly, terrorists could get a New York driver’s license and use it to have “disastrous effects in other parts of the country,” he said.

The Spitzer administration says critics are ignoring that the state will bolster its anti-fraud efforts at DMV offices with new technologies to check identifications that they insist will make the New York license the nation’s most secure.

But the administration would not say if it ran the new policy in advance past federal homeland security officials.

At home, local officials are upset they had no input.

“We were caught flat-footed by all this, to be honest,” Clark said. He said the policy “was thrust on us without any dialogue, and that was disconcerting to everybody.”

‘No research’

Spitzer said critics ignore the reality that illegal immigrants are here — up to one million in New York — and are already driving. His policy envisions getting those people to take written and road tests to get licensed and then insured if they own a car. That, he says, will improve traffic safety.

But safety experts said they have no idea if the governor’s plan will actually cut the number of accidents.

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, highly respected in the industry, has no position on the Spitzer policy, said spokesman Russ Rader, “because there’s no research to base an opinion on.”

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, a federal agency; the American Automobile Association; and the Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety, all declined to comment about the effectiveness of the new policy for New York.

The Spitzer administration also says the plan will help all drivers by lowering insurance premiums. The more insured drivers, the fewer accidents involving drivers with no coverage. That cuts costs, said David Neustadt, an insurance department spokesman.

At Progressive Insurance, spokeswoman Leah Knapp said the only condition in New York for insurance eligibility is a driver’s license.

“The driver produces the license, we provide the quote. We will ask for a Social Security number when we provide a quote so that we can give the most accurate rate possible, but we will quote and provide coverage without it. However, in those cases, the consumer might not get the absolute best rate we have to offer,” she said.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 911commission; aliens; driverslicenses; illegals; immigrantlist; johnlehman; spitzer

1 posted on 10/07/2007 4:46:52 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Spitzer’s plan “is going to make life easier for illegals,” especially terrorists, counterfeiters and others who will have easy access to a valuable piece of identification, Lehman said.

“It’s going to become a magnet to lawbreakers because the surrounding states will adhere to the federal standards,” he said. “So, New York becomes a sanctuary for al-Qaida and all sorts of other people on the lam.”

No wonder Pennsylvania and NJ are so silent, they’re probably hoping all their illegals come to NY.

2 posted on 10/07/2007 4:47:18 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
spitzer.

Yet ANOTHER, in a line of MANY, northeastern-corridor, big-city, gun-grabbing, illegal-loving, ambulance-chasing, political-opportunist SCUMBAG LIBERALS.

Do we want someone like him as the REPUBLICAN candidate opposing the demonRATS for President of the United States?

That's EXACTLY what we'll get if the left-wing media, the demonRATS, and a gaggle of uninformed, misinformed, or just basically - MINDLESS RINO-rudy-rooters (some of them on FR) get their way.

Just say NO to ALL LIBERALS, and MOST ESPECIALLY, ALL LIBERALS in Republican "clothing".

3 posted on 10/07/2007 5:19:35 AM PDT by DocH (RINO-rudy for BRONX Dog Catcher 2008!!!)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
When he announced his new policy, Spitzer said it would make roads safer

I challenge Spitzer to give us a reasonable, proved explanation of how having a driver's license makes the roads safer.

Sure, they gotta take a test, etc. And I'm sure the entire process will be available in Spanish for the illegal scumball aliens who have been here for 10 years and STILL can't handle English.

However, do you think they, who are already here illegally, will quit driving if they can't pass the test? Ha ha.

4 posted on 10/07/2007 5:22:05 AM PDT by upchuck (Hildabeaste as Prez... unimaginable, devastating misery!)
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To: DocH

This is another Dem scheme to give these illegals a photo that will get them through the voting booths. This just shows how desperate they are for their fraud votes.


5 posted on 10/07/2007 5:26:11 AM PDT by steve7
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To: All
POLITICAL NOTEBOOK: Slaughter mum on driver’s licenses change

The fight over issuing driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants isn’t one Rep. Louise Slaughter in which seems ready to get involved.

The Democrat said last week that she’ll leave the issue — being pressed by fellow Democrat Gov. Eliot Spitzer — up to the state.

Sure you will honey, that makes things nice and easy for you. Don't want to have to criticize one of your crooked own do you? Time to give this liberal demoRAT who would sell out the citizens of this state and country a call:

Buffalo Office
465 Main Street
Suite 105
Buffalo, NY 14203
(716) 853-5813 [phone]
(716) 853-6347 [fax]

6 posted on 10/07/2007 5:29:55 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Staffers procuring secret files on political enemies??; Giving potential terrorists legal NY State ID’s?? Looks like Elliot’s “Holier than Thou” white tower is beginning to crumble. WHAT A COLOSSEL PUTZ!!!


7 posted on 10/07/2007 5:36:10 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: Reaganwuzthebest; Tennessee Nana; sheana; panthermom; indylindy; calcowgirl; ...
Cuckoo politicans like Spitler and Giuliani dance to the same piper. They are tearing down the US political establishment to advance themeselves.

Spilter and Giuliani thumb their noses at US laws. Fearful Americans are ignored. The rigid mind-set of these ruthless politicians is furthering their own crass political ambitions.

Spitler and Giuliani are engaged in a very dirty political game played by remorseless people.

These individuals advance themselves by destroying American laws and institutions. They are imposing irrational thinking on America and Americans.

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2008 wannabe Giuliani is ruthless----kicking conservatives to the curb, engaged in the religious cleansing of the Repub Party.

Onetime NYC Mayor Giuliani made NYC the paradigm sanctuary city for illegals, even using US courts to suckup to latino voting blocs.

LET US NOT FORGET: Rudy Giuliani showed where his priorities lie----and it's not with Americans: On May 1, 2007 Giuliani appeared at the Latino Coalition convention in the ballroom of the Four Seasons Hotel in Washington, DC---the only 2008 candidate from any party to appear.

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Ruthless, self-motivated politicians like Spitler and Giuliani are saturating the US political system with irrational, foreign thinking (the type usually found in Mideast hellholes).

8 posted on 10/07/2007 5:38:27 AM PDT by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

“While the Spitzer administration touts an expected $120 million drop in insurance costs because more people will be covered by policies, the savings for legal residents will add up to about $15 annually on a $1,000 policy.”
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When I left NY in 02, minimum mandated liability auto insurance was (I believe) $10,000-20,000. That would translate to a saving of $150. I carried $100,000-300,000 which would have meant a $1500 savings.

I call BS!!!!!


9 posted on 10/07/2007 5:47:38 AM PDT by Roccus (Hillary........brought to you by the PRC)
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To: GoldenPup
Secret files? Did the staffers once work at the Clinton whitehouse? They had the same need to know about people they disliked. FBI files showed up and were used. It looks like a Democrat way of life?

Spitzer is pushing the illegal driver's license issue for one reason. Votes for the 2008 presidential. They need valid ID's.

10 posted on 10/07/2007 5:51:56 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: All

do an ask or google search of “unlicensed illegal highway deaths” and start reading - estimates run as high as 25% in some areas...


11 posted on 10/07/2007 6:17:30 AM PDT by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: oldironsides

That is part of the Democratic strategy to achieve a permanent majority: Motor Votor first [automatically register to vote with a driver license], then make sure all illegals can get licenses [ergo, they can vote]. 9/11 put a bit of a crimp in this plan (not much thought), but 6 years later its full speed ahead again. It floors me that such a policy is taking root in NY of all places. Spitzer seems to be one arrogant SOB.


12 posted on 10/07/2007 6:31:43 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
I work for NYS, so this A-hole Gov is my boss. I don’t work for motor vehicle, but I know several clerks who do. And they’re not happy about this at all. A few of them have told me that if they suspect an illegal getting a license, they will process the paper work, then “quietly” turn the info over to the Feds(INS). 13 County clerks have said they will ignore the Gov’s directive, and refuse to process the paperwork, some will contact the the Fed too. This could be stopped by legislative action, but in NYS, that’s like like waiting for a liberal to root for America.
Its good to know that there are citizens willing to rebel against Hitzler, and try and still protect us. This topic is BIG news in NY, and I heard a phone call the other day on a radio station from a guy who say he’s got a group starting that will stand outside local DMV offices with INS T-shirts & jackets to scare the illegals from going into the DMV. I don’t know how organized this dude is, but I like his idea. The people of NY won’t take this laying down, but unfortunately it will take our state lawmakers to stand up and pass legislation to truly stop this madness.
13 posted on 10/07/2007 6:34:50 AM PDT by skully (Worry if something that worked in a cartoon...works in real life!!!)
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To: skully
. A few of them have told me that if they suspect an illegal getting a license, they will process the paper work, then “quietly” turn the info over to the Feds(INS).

What about the current state law that requires a SSN to get a license? The GOP plans to sue on those grounds and it would seem they have a good case. The Court of Appeals latest ruling never addressed that specific issue since it wasn't being directly litigated on, although they did make a brief reference to it. I think the GOP lawyers must be confident or it's doubtful they would pursue it so hopefully Spitzer's lunacy can at the very least be postponed while the suit moves forward.

14 posted on 10/07/2007 6:52:59 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: upchuck
And I'm sure the entire process will be available in Spanish....

LOL...LOL...LOL....silly, it already is available in espanol.

15 posted on 10/07/2007 7:01:09 AM PDT by paltz
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

NY’s been a one-party state since forever (Yeh, I INCLUDE Rockey).
So, just whadidya expect from this bunch??


16 posted on 10/07/2007 7:12:43 AM PDT by Flintlock (-)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

QUISLING: a synonym for traitor, someone who collaborates with the invaders of his country.



Current federal law 8USC 1373(a) PROHIBITS SANCTUARY CITIES. It reads as follows:

"Notwithstanding any other provision of federal, state, or local law, a federal, state, or local government entity or official may not prohibit, or in any way restrict any government entity or official from sending to, or receiving from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service information regarding the citizenship or immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual."



U.S. Constitution, Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.

17 posted on 10/07/2007 7:39:12 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: DocH
Just say NO to ALL LIBERALS, and MOST ESPECIALLY, ALL LIBERALS in Republican "clothing".

I couldn't agree more.
18 posted on 10/07/2007 7:52:29 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: skully

My husband and I attended his high school class reunion last night, and in attendance was one fellow who works for NYS in a supervisory position, has been active in Democratic politics, and knows Spitzer personally. He is a runner, as is Spitzer, and has been a running partner of his. He also worked on Spitzer’s campaign. He told us how disgusted he is with Spitzer and how arrogant he is. He didn’t realize just how bad the gov was before, and says he has been fast on his way to being a one-term governor, which hopefully will pave the way for a change next election. Like so many have said, though, many NYS Repubs are not that different from the Dems, but one can always hope. A little. Perhaps a very little, lol!


19 posted on 10/07/2007 8:14:32 AM PDT by tabor
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To: oldironsides

Spitz’s chief of staff was caught with a “secret” file on the head of the Republican controlled NY state Senate. Ellie, baby didn’t even fire him when it became public...merely “demoted” him...whatever that means. Ol’ Spitz has clearly clearly taken a page out of the Clintoon’s play book. What an Ass.


20 posted on 10/07/2007 8:19:10 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

We will ask for a Social Security number when we provide a quote so that we can give the most accurate rate possible,..

Maybe it is just too early right now, maybe i have not had enough coffee, maybe I am just a dim bulb....but I cannot for the life of me figure out what in the hell a SSN has to do with getting a accurate rate quote. If it has something to do with determining age, I am sure they ask you for your age up front. Anyone care to enlighten me?


21 posted on 10/07/2007 9:41:28 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: Liz

This is all about illegal votes!


22 posted on 10/07/2007 12:04:59 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

That it is-——this lowlife Spitler oughta be perp-walked to jail.


23 posted on 10/07/2007 1:55:39 PM PDT by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Liz

“That it is-——this lowlife Spitler oughta be perp-walked to jail.”

I volunteer to walk him there!


24 posted on 10/07/2007 2:02:11 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Liz
This is all about illegal votes!

It's being timed perfectly for Hillary next year. And it's why she's been so conveniently silent on the issue. It also won't hurt Spitzer's own re-election in 2010. I agree he's a lowlife who deserves the Gray Davis treatment.

25 posted on 10/07/2007 2:04:20 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest; stephenjohnbanker
This is all about illegal votes!........... timed perfectly for 2008 Hillary and why she's been so conveniently silent.........also won't hurt Spitzer's own re-election in 2010.

Duh----we dumb voters ain't sposed to notice wot the pols is doin'...........

26 posted on 10/07/2007 2:09:09 PM PDT by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

“It’s being timed perfectly for Hillary next year. And it’s why she’s been so conveniently silent on the issue”

BINGO!


27 posted on 10/07/2007 2:09:46 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Man50D

BUMP


28 posted on 10/07/2007 2:12:07 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

That is a sure-fire way to keep New York in the Democrat column since felons tend to vote straight Democrat tickets.


29 posted on 10/07/2007 6:10:01 PM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Redefeat Communism by defeating Hitlary in 2008)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

“But the new policy, set to take effect in December, also includes components that could dissuade undocumented immigrants from rushing to the program. For instance, federal immigration officials could subpoena the state’s license records to track down illegal aliens, state officials concede.”
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The important thing, is for ICE to make it clear that that’s exactly what it will do. The whole thing will become academic.


30 posted on 10/07/2007 6:57:15 PM PDT by sinanju
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First State Trooper gate; now illegals-to-have-driver’s licenses gate.

Spitzer is acting like a dictator.


31 posted on 10/07/2007 7:55:15 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Sun
Spitzer is acting like a dictator.

Yup. But he's stepped in it this time and isn't going to get away with it.

32 posted on 10/08/2007 5:28:14 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: steve7
>>This is another Dem scheme to give these illegals a photo that will get them through the voting booths.<<

Plus, seats in the House of Representatives are apportioned by population counted by the census, which counts illegals as residents. So states that increase their illegal population will gain seats, and states that don't (especially ones that enforce immigration law) will lose seats.

The states in the old South could count slaves as 3/5 of a "resident" for representation, but Spitzer and Hillary get 100% of a "resident" for each illegal counted in the census.


33 posted on 10/08/2007 6:35:24 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: Bogtrotter52
We will ask for a Social Security number when we provide a quote so that we can give the most accurate rate possible,..

I cannot for the life of me figure out what in the hell a SSN has to do with getting a accurate rate quote.

I think the insurance company uses the SS # to run a credit check on prospective customers. The better your credit rating, the lower your rate will be.

34 posted on 10/08/2007 6:50:11 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: DumpsterDiver

“I think the insurance company uses the SS # to run a credit check on prospective customers. The better your credit rating, the lower your rate will be.”

That seems odd, and not needed. You pay your premium, you’re covered. You don’t pay it, they cancel. They can charge you based on driving record, but not on income from what i can see. Summing it up, no wonder we have identify theft. Some low paid loser losing for insurance company customer service desk has all the SSN’s they could ever wish for.


35 posted on 10/08/2007 8:30:44 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: Bogtrotter52
I found this excerpt from a government website for the state of Washington:

Questions and Answers on Credit Scoring and How Insurers Use Credit Information

The following information will help you understand how insurance companies use your credit information and how this business practice affects the cost of your insurance.

Can an insurance company look at my credit information without my permission? -- Yes. Both the federal and state Fair Credit Reporting Acts (FCRA), say that insurance companies may look at credit information without your permission for underwriting practices. The federal law can be found at www.ftc.gov.

Why do insurance companies use credit information? -- Some insurance companies believe there is a correlation between financial responsibility and insurance losses. They believe that credit information is a good measure of financial responsibility. They believe that consumers who show less financial responsibility will file more claims, so they should pay more for their insurance.

How do I know if an insurance company is looking at my credit? -- Ask your insurance agent or company if they use credit information for underwriting and rating. If credit history is used for underwriting, ask how it affects your eligibility for coverage. If credit history is used for rating, ask how it affects your insurance premium. Finally, you should ask if they will check the credit history of other people insured on your policy, such as family members, and how they will affect your policy.

36 posted on 10/08/2007 8:48:15 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: DumpsterDiver

Sigh......I guess it is just another example of govt. ignoring the fact that SSN numbers are not to be used for identification.


37 posted on 10/08/2007 10:00:24 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

“But he’s stepped in it this time and isn’t going to get away with it.”

The people are plenty mad, and rightfully so.


38 posted on 10/08/2007 7:00:40 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: All

So what’s Hillary Clinton’s take on this?

I wish the NYS voter’s would take a better look at her, too.


39 posted on 10/08/2007 7:03:48 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Sun
So what’s Hillary Clinton’s take on this?

We're still waiting but since she no doubt knows who those convicted illegal alien felons will be voting for we probably won't be hearing much.

40 posted on 10/09/2007 6:04:59 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: skully

I some circles now it’s considered descrimination to ask a prospective employee if they are legal or illegal. But, it’s standard paractice to ask for a drivers license, Spitzy just wants to take out that hurtle. Why should the employer look any deeper, when it will probably get them sued. So, the illegal provides someone elses SS#, which the Fed’s don’t even bother to pursue, all long as the moneys coming in. People have asked, but currently, if someone else is paying on your SS# you don’t even have the right to know!

So the illegal may now have a desided advantage. Why not claim 6 dependants, what can they do? Deport you? Don’t be silly.


41 posted on 10/09/2007 4:23:26 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

The other issue that’s not being talked about is Gov. Spitzer’s plan to remove visa dates from the front of NYS - Drivers License. What is the purpose of that of removing Visa Dates that are currently on the drivers License? In what possible way does that serve the NYS Citizen.

CNN Story on the subject with County Clerk comments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NcBJngR5Vs


42 posted on 10/09/2007 6:53:10 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Fitzy_888
What is the purpose of that of removing Visa Dates that are currently on the drivers License?

It appears to be about voting. Without the visa date no one will know if that person is illegally here or not. It's corruption at its worst and I don't know who Spitzer thinks he's fooling with his phony talk about safer roads and lower insurance. Sure, like that's actually happened in states that have experience with issuing licenses to illegals.

43 posted on 10/09/2007 7:59:32 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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