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Al Qaeda in Haditha: The battle the media ignored
Defend Our Marines ^ | October 6, 2007 | Nathaniel R. Helms

Posted on 10/07/2007 8:08:46 AM PDT by RedRover

October 6, 2007 – Buried in the mountain of exhibits attached to the once secret Haditha, Iraq murder inquiry prepared by US Army Maj. Gen. Eldon A. Bargewell is an obscure Marine Corps intelligence summary (see pdf) that says the deadly encounter was an intentional propaganda ploy planned and paid for by Al Qaeda foreign fighters.

Veteran military defense attorney Gary Meyers said he never understood why the Naval Criminal Investigative Service special agents leading the Haditha criminal investigation didn’t "examine the linkage" between Al Qaeda, the local insurgency and the events at Haditha. Meyers was an attorney on the defense team that successfully defended Justin Sharratt, a Marine infantryman accused of multiple murders at Haditha.

The report – apparently overlooked by a Washington press corps awash in leaked Bargewell documents and secret Naval Criminal Investigative Service reports – shows that Marine Corps intelligence operatives were advised of the scheme to demonize the Marines by an informant named Muhannad Hassan Hamadi. The informant was snared by 3/1 Marines on December 11 2005 and decided to cooperate.

Planning a "massacre"

The attack was carried out by multiple cells of local Wahabi extremists and well-paid local gunmen from Al Asa’ib al-Iraq [the Clans of the People of Iraq] that were led by Al Qaeda foreign fighters, the summary claims. Their case was bolstered by Marine signal intercepts revealing that the al Qaeda fighters planned to videotape the attacks and exploit the resulting carnage for propaganda purposes.

Eleven insurgents involved in the attack are identified by name and affiliation in the details of the summary. All of them were killed or captured in the days immediately following the Haditha incident.

During the November Haditha battle, the insurgents secreted themselves among local civilians to guarantee pursuing Marines would catch innocent civilians in the ensuing crossfire. On January 6, 2006 six insurgents who tried to do the same thing at another location in Haditha were turned in to Coalition authorities before they could mount a similar assault, the report says.

On January 18, 2006, almost two months after the infamous Haditha attack, Iraqi insurgents identified as Talal Abdullah Yusif and Omar Ramsey “planned to attack a dismounted C[oalition] F[orces] patrol” along with four brothers named Khalif Muhammad Hassan.

It wasn't coincidental that brother Sa'ib Khalif Muhammad Hassan lived next to an Al Qaeda "safe house" destroyed on November 19 by Marine jets. Sa'ib had rented the house to the foreign fighters. That attack was stopped by local Iraqis and Sa'ib Hassan was arrested, the report says.

The summary also details the Marines finding three dead bodies near the Sub Hani Mosque after the November 19 fight was over. The dead men are described as “military-aged males” wearing “chest rigs.” Two of the decedents were “missing parts of lower torso.” The authors opined the victims were foreign fighters killed in one of the Marine bombings during the day-long combat.

Our media, the enemy within

The prosecutors in the case against eight Marines charged with murder and cover up at Haditha still maintain the besieged infantrymen acted solely out of malice and poor judgment when they killed 24 Iraqis there. The prosecution’s investigation was launched after a story by Time magazine reporter Tim McGirk on March 6, 2006 accused the Marines of cold blooded murder in retaliation for the death of a brother Marine.

McGirk received his video "evidence" and contacts from two known Iraqi insurgent operatives already under observation by Marine Corps counter intelligence teams. One of the Iraqi witnesses McGirk relied on had just been released from almost six months captivity for insurgent activities and the other witness was considered a useful intelligence tool by Marines listening to him talk on his cell phone. McGirk never interviewed the Marines, who ironically had prepared a similar intelligence summary in anticipation of his canceled visit.

Captured insurgents revealed plan to detonate IEDs

The summary – labeled "Bargewell Discovery" pages "001083" thru "001108" – was prepared by 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines using UAV images, statements obtained from the informants, and intelligence gleaned from captured insurgents to explain what happened. The information was detailed in 13 Draft Intelligence Information Reports (DIIR) from a Marine Humint Exploitation Team (HET) operating in the area.

The captured insurgents revealed the attack was planned in Albu Hyatt, a nearby town where numerous Marines have been killed and wounded since the beginning of the war. The two main elements of the attack were the IED-initiated ambush on Route Chestnut and two IED ambushes planned along the so-called River Road that parallels the Euphrates River about 1.5 kilometers north of the Chestnut location.

The prisoners claimed the multi-pronged assault on the Marines was intended to garner local support by discrediting the Marines among the civilian population. If the coordinated attack had gone off as planned all three IED ambushes would have been sprung on the patrolling Marines almost simultaneously, the prisoners said. The insurgents plan depended on the Marines aggressively responding to the assaults to create as much carnage as possible.

Marine patrolling along the River Road spotted two of the IEDs in time to avoid the danger. Marine Explosive Ordinance Demolition teams sent to disarm the devices were then ambushed by insurgents using small arms and rocket propelled grenades.

A US Air Force Predator Unmanned Aerial Vehicles orbiting the area subsequently launched a Hellfire missile attack on fleeing insurgents running through the palm grove. Other insurgents were tracked for more than four hours as they moved from house to house trying to escape the battlefield.

All of the intelligence data generated by the UAVs – including the mission reports, video, and internet messages between the UAV operators, 3/1, Regimental Combat Team 2, and Multi-National Force headquarters in Baghdad – was later seized by NCIS special agents. A Marine who was there said the NCIS agents told the UAV operators on duty at VMU-2 (the Scan Eagle squadron operating the aircraft over Haditha) that they would be interrogated as well, but it never happened, the operator said.

More than a year after the coordinated attack eight Marines from Kilo Company, 3/1 were charged with multiple murder and covering up the incident. Four Marines have subsequently been cleared on any wrongdoing and four more are still awaiting their fates.

"Anyone who tries to compare this event to My Lai is an absolute fool."

Almost four decades ago Meyers successfully defended a soldier accused of murder at My Lai, South Vietnam while he was a captain in the US Army JAG Corps. After Tim McGirk wrote his specious report claiming a squad of Marines massacred 24 civilians at Haditha the world press immediately compared the incident to the massacre at My Lai. The unwarranted comparisons still anger Meyers.

"From our perspective - from a legal perspective - we knew it was a kinetic event," said Meyers. "We knew enough to present to the IO (Investigating Officer) that this was not an isolated event; that the entire city was in a kinetic state that day. Anyone who tries to compare this event to My Lai is an absolute fool."

The 13 DIIRs were prepared by members of a Humint Exploitation Team identified as HET03. Marine HET units investigate and record local intelligence-worthy activities for interpretation and consumption by Intel officers trying to understand the enemy’s Tactics, Techniques & Procedures (TTP) as well as divine their intentions.

One of the DIIRs names five other insurgents involved in setting up the IED that killed LCpl Miguel "T.J." Terrazas. One of their number, Majid Salah Mahdi Farraji, was killed when Marine Corps F-18s bombed the so-called "safe house" were the battle migrated to after the initial IED ambush decimated Wuterich’s squad.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 296; alqaeda; defendourmarines; haditha; iraq; wot
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The complex ambush in Haditha: November 19, 2005
(Major thanks to Freeper (and map wizard) RS
who found all the coordinates!)

All this information was available to Congressman John Murtha before his cold-blooded killer slander on May 17, 2006.

This information was also leaked to the media more than a year ago. But they suppressed it in favor of a lie about a massacre.

For more, see...


1 posted on 10/07/2007 8:08:48 AM PDT by RedRover
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To: RedRover
Staged Atrocities is an old guerrilla warfare tactic. Simply sickening that the US Military JAG’s are so hide bound in their fashionable PC thinking that they cannot be bothered to learn even the simplest things about how Counter Insurgency differs from Total War.
2 posted on 10/07/2007 8:19:17 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/ vrs the "Worse than Watergate Congress")
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To: All
Lest we forget...

Well, with the closing of the SSgt Frank Wuterich Article hearing, the investigation into the enlisted Marines is now officially over.

Read the investigating officer's reports for yourself (pdf formats): SSgt Frank Wuterich, LCpl Stephen Tatum, and LCpl Justin Sharratt.

They are not killers. Defend our Marines.

3 posted on 10/07/2007 8:20:20 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover
Thank you again for your diligence!

inquiry prepared by US Army Maj. Gen. Eldon A. Bargewell is an obscure Marine Corps intelligence summary (see pdf) that says the deadly encounter was an intentional propaganda ploy planned and paid for by Al Qaeda foreign fighters.

Well known by many for over a year!

Our media, the enemy within

Yep ..... the ENEMEDIA

4 posted on 10/07/2007 8:30:07 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: 4woodenboats; American Cabalist; AmericanYankee; AndrewWalden; Antoninus; AliVeritas; ardara; ...

5 posted on 10/07/2007 8:32:45 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RS

Hat tip ping!


6 posted on 10/07/2007 8:39:13 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover

This is stunning!! Our military is being framed by AQ and nobody is stopping it?? Wonder if the DNC was in on the AQ charade??

Pray for W and Our Marines


7 posted on 10/07/2007 8:40:13 AM PDT by bray (Think "Betray U.S." Think Democrat)
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To: bray

Bumpitttt.


8 posted on 10/07/2007 8:51:06 AM PDT by Rocko ( "Where's the global warming? It's freezing in here." -- Bob Dylan)
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To: Rocko

They should throw this whole thing out now.

Pray for W and Our Marines


9 posted on 10/07/2007 8:52:43 AM PDT by bray (Think "Betray U.S." Think Democrat)
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To: RedRover

Is there such a thing as treasonous sedition? Or do I have to pick one or the other? Murtha and members of the enemedia should get a fair trial, followed by a first class hanging!


10 posted on 10/07/2007 9:08:30 AM PDT by bigheadfred (And there I see the Line of My Forefathers)
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To: Just A Nobody

Al Qaeda in Pennsylvania.

11 posted on 10/07/2007 9:11:39 AM PDT by Defiant ("Expectorate" has Specter in it.)
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To: RedRover
Another excellent article by Nat Helms. He uses information that was available to the NCIS agents investigating the case and JAG prosecutors pursuing the case against these Marines to show al Qaeda was deeply involved in the event but ignored that evidence. The NCIS and JAG prosecutors should be held accountable.

Veteran military defense attorney Gary Meyers said he never understood why the Naval Criminal Investigative Service special agents leading the Haditha criminal investigation didn’t "examine the linkage" between Al Qaeda, the local insurgency and the events at Haditha.

SECNAV Winter should require a thorough investigation of the NCIS. If he doesn't require that, he should be fired from his position and replaced by someone who will investigate the total ineptness of the NCIS and this investigation of the Haditha Marines.

12 posted on 10/07/2007 9:15:47 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover; abigailsmybaby; Badeye; bmwcyle; brityank; desherwood7; FairOpinion; Fedora; ...
Murtha Watch Ping!

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

Code Pinkos

To be added to the Murtha Watch ping list please notify myself or RedRover.

13 posted on 10/07/2007 9:22:06 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: jazusamo

Sorry, but I don’t see anything inept in this,IMO, it smells of something far worse.


14 posted on 10/07/2007 9:25:44 AM PDT by bigheadfred (Thanks for the Anuerism RedRover)
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To: RedRover

Democrats Chastise Limbaugh for Insulting Troops

Oct. 6, 2007

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has introduced a “Bill of Attainder” against conservative radio commentator Rush Limbaugh for “usurping the prerogatives of congress.” The flap started when Limbaugh characterized self-proclaimed war hero and war critic, Jesse Macbeth, a “phony soldier.”

“It is not for Mr. Limbaugh to say who is or isn’t a soldier,” Reid said. “Nor should he be casting aspersions on brave men like Jesse Macbeth for their outspoken opposition to the atrocities committed by our troops. Congress is the judge of these matters.”

Reid asserted that “the testimony of soldiers like Macbeth has been corroborated by many others.” “Senator Kerry (D-Mass.) has informed me that our troops have been terrorizing women and children in the dead of night,” Reid went on. “Congressman Murtha (D-Pa.) pointed out that our Marines have been killing civilians in cold-blood. I have heard similar stories from Senator Durbin (D-Ill.) and Senator Obama (D-Ill.).”

As it turns out, Macbeth who claimed to have been an Army Ranger was in the Army only 44 days and never served in Iraq or Afghanistan. The lack of actual participation in the war did not stunt Macbeth’s imagination. He described how he and other U.S. Army Rangers slaughtered Muslims as they prayed in a Baghdad mosque.

Senator Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) cautioned that we “not rush to dismiss Macbeth’s account of atrocities just because he embellished his war record.” Harkin said boasting about one’s military service is “a harmless vice” akin to “fishermen’s tales of the one that got away.”

Harkin once claimed to have flown combat missions in Vietnam, only to later be forced to admit that he only flew into Vietnam on a few occasions to “sample the ‘killer weed’ and get some action with ‘hot Asian babes.’”

Reid’s bill calls for Limbaugh to be permanently banished from the airwaves and to perform two million hours of community service helping non-English speakers register to vote.

read more...

http://www.azconservative.org/Semmens1.htm


15 posted on 10/07/2007 9:26:07 AM PDT by John Semmens
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To: bigheadfred

IMO, it’s both but I see your point.


16 posted on 10/07/2007 9:27:53 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: Mo1; StarCMC; SandRat; holdonnow; txradioguy; armymarinemom; Bahbah; mware; Clint N. Suhks; sono; ..

ping


17 posted on 10/07/2007 9:32:32 AM PDT by AliVeritas
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To: jazusamo

You are right, it is both, much as it was the same to appoint an incompetent JAG to defend my nephew.


18 posted on 10/07/2007 9:36:37 AM PDT by bigheadfred (Thanks for the Anuerism RedRover)
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To: RedRover; jazusamo; xzins; Girlene; freema; darrylsharratt; Shelayne; Lancey Howard; lilycicero; ...
Red, was this the presentation that was created for McGirk, that he failed to appear for? As someone remarked, he went to where he could get the story he wanted to tell, nothing close to the truth.

If so, this is damning evidence that will only help SSgt. Wunterich's case against Murtha; and I would hope that the rest of the prosecuted Marines likewise sue Murtha, McGirk, and TIME.

19 posted on 10/07/2007 9:40:13 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: MNJohnnie
Simply sickening that the US Military JAG’s are so hide bound in their fashionable PC thinking that they cannot be bothered to learn even the simplest things about how Counter Insurgency differs from Total War.

Bears repeating! Same goes for NCIS, politicians, the media and everyone else who failed America in this travesty.

20 posted on 10/07/2007 9:50:09 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/10/investigating_officers_report.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/10/was_haditha_a_deliberate_propa.html


21 posted on 10/07/2007 9:50:40 AM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: Defiant; Just A Nobody; All
There's a collection of Murtha's own words on Haditha at the link. Spread it 'em around! Even Rush seemed hazy the other day about exactly what Murtha said. It's worse than most people remember.
22 posted on 10/07/2007 9:55:09 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: sauropod

read


23 posted on 10/07/2007 9:56:10 AM PDT by sauropod ("Nobody has time for your priceless prose. Get to the point." - Jim Michaels RIP 2007)
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To: bigheadfred
And if a hanging isn't possible, I'd settle for tar, feathers and a shove in the right direction...


24 posted on 10/07/2007 9:58:50 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover

You’ve got the “Palm grove” as being all the way down the river to the safe house. The “Palm grove” was off the detail to the north, near where the captions for it are in the unviewable PDF.

I do not believe the spots you have marked “3” are anywhere near the locaton of the events in what the reports call the “Palm Grove”.

Likewise, I don’t believe the “Second IED discovered” and “EOD team attacked by small arms fire to be anywhere near location “2”

Since the video is supposed to be time-coded perhaps you could provide the actual time of each of the captures that were posted relating to the “Palm grove” incidents and the drive south.


25 posted on 10/07/2007 10:02:59 AM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: brityank
...was this the presentation that was created for McGirk?

I couldn't say that with confidence. But it's the 3/1 would have told McGirk if he had bothered to show up for their meeting.

And this information was given to Gen Huck and others who saw no reason to investigate--and have been censured by the SECNAVY.

26 posted on 10/07/2007 10:03:52 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: the Real fifi

Fabulous! Thanks for the links! Clarice Feldman is one smart cookie and a terrific writer.


27 posted on 10/07/2007 10:05:56 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover

You forgot the Rail! It would add a little more aerodynamics and involve some group participation!


28 posted on 10/07/2007 10:10:49 AM PDT by bigheadfred (Thanks for the Anuerism RedRover)
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To: jazusamo
The NCIS and JAG prosecutors should be held accountable.

Held accountable by whom? By the same people who gave the NCIS and JAG prosecutors their marching orders to railroad some Marines for the Haditha hoax in order to do the politically correct thing "for the good of the Corps"? The same hack-politician officers and civilian leaders who have made an art form out of running scared from the liberal newsrooms?

Ain't gonna happen.

I long ago gave up on these scumbag ACLU prosecutors of JAG and their sleazy minions at Naval Service Investigative Criminals being "held accountable". They were given a mission, and (never thought I'd say this!) thank God these Marines were able to retain civilian lawyers.

29 posted on 10/07/2007 10:13:03 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: RedRover

Thank you for posting this important bit of information!


30 posted on 10/07/2007 10:14:32 AM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: the Real fifi

Thanks for the links, fifi. I’m very glad to see Clarice Feldman pick up on this, she’s always right on the mark with her analysis of an event and being a good lawyer knows of what she speaks.


31 posted on 10/07/2007 10:17:54 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover
Clarice Feldman is one smart cookie and a terrific writer.

Yes indeed.

32 posted on 10/07/2007 10:18:17 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: RS

The caption for number 3 is misleading. I meant it to refer to River Road. I’ll correct. Thanks!

I may need your help with the video. I’ll post it in sections early next week.


33 posted on 10/07/2007 10:18:17 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: Lancey Howard

We both know the SECNAV is the only one who can do it and Winter isn’t going to, he’s already said that. Sadly, he probably won’t be replaced either.


34 posted on 10/07/2007 10:24:01 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover

Never faithful Murtha bump!


35 posted on 10/07/2007 10:32:50 AM PDT by F-117A (Mr. Bush, have someone read UN Resolution 1244 to you!!!)
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To: jazusamo
If our Marines are not actively suing Big John and the news media they should. And the folks in Pennsylvania should toss Big John out of office, NOW.
36 posted on 10/07/2007 10:38:22 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: RedRover

From Powerline:The NYT could find only one person critical of brave Officer Ware’s report but ehy failed to disclose something about him (from Powerline):
“Actually, the Times cites just one expert who voices what is evidently the paper’s own disappointment at the collapse of the case against the Marines: Eugene R. Fidell, who is identified as “an expert in military law in Washington.” Mr. Fidell has the article’s money quote:

“It does surprise me to see that the killing of seven women and children by grenades and rifles, for the purposes of clearing structures, is being treated the way this investigating officer has treated it.”
Where did the Times go to find an expert who would articulate the house view of the Haditha killings? Well, to be fair, I think Mr. Fidell is indeed an expert on military law. He is also, however, married to Linda Greenhouse, the hyper-liberal reporter who covers the Supreme Court for the Times—a fact that the paper did not consider it necessary to mention. So the Times didn’t have to look far for an expert whose opinion would give the right conclusion to an article on how guilty Marines beat the rap.”


37 posted on 10/07/2007 10:50:25 AM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: RS

The picture above is corrected. Regarding numner two, we don’t have precise locations for every point in the timeline. The numbers are meant to go with specfic text—not the entire block.


38 posted on 10/07/2007 10:51:59 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover

Murtha’s a crab

I only say that because other words aren’t so nice.


39 posted on 10/07/2007 11:01:14 AM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: brityank
This appears to be the same summary that was prepared for McGirk--that he wasn't interested in hearing--he had his own set of facts--FROM THE TERRORISTS!

McGirk received his video "evidence" and contacts from two known Iraqi insurgent operatives already under observation by Marine Corps counter intelligence teams. One of the Iraqi witnesses McGirk relied on had just been released from almost six months captivity for insurgent activities and the other witness was considered a useful intelligence tool by Marines listening to him talk on his cell phone. McGirk never interviewed the Marines, who ironically had prepared a similar intelligence summary in anticipation of his canceled visit.

The summary – labeled "Bargewell Discovery" pages "001083" thru "001108" – was prepared by 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines using UAV images, statements obtained from the informants, and intelligence gleaned from captured insurgents to explain what happened. The information was detailed in 13 Draft Intelligence Information Reports (DIIR) from a Marine Humint Exploitation Team (HET) operating in the area.

I would hope that the rest of the prosecuted Marines likewise sue Murtha, McGirk, and TIME.

YES! EVERY LAST ONE OF THESE DESPICABLE LIARS!

40 posted on 10/07/2007 11:09:56 AM PDT by Shelayne (NO running or relenting until the problem has been dealt with-decisively,systematically,permanently.)
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To: bigheadfred

A rail? My, you ARE a traditonalist! (And what a good idea!)


41 posted on 10/07/2007 11:20:13 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover

It’s the carpenter in me, and I’ve had several on hand, nice and splintery.


42 posted on 10/07/2007 12:54:22 PM PDT by bigheadfred (Thanks for the Anuerism RedRover)
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To: RedRover

“Once more into the breach, dear friends, once more; Or close the wall up with our English dead! In peace there’s nothing so becomes a man As modest stillness and humility: But when the blast of war blows in our ears, Then imitate the action of the tiger; Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood, Disguise fair nature with hard-favour’d rage; Then lend the eye a terrible aspect.” Henry V
Don’t know why this is in my head, may perchance be the legend of “pluck yew”, or it might be because of the anuerism.


43 posted on 10/07/2007 1:35:59 PM PDT by bigheadfred (Thanks for the Anuerism RedRover)
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To: RedRover; Cannoneer No. 4

Ping - the Media is our enemy within.


44 posted on 10/07/2007 1:48:55 PM PDT by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com/2007/08/11/school-of-the-counterpropagandist/)
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To: bigheadfred

Nice quote! How’d that anuerism thing come about anyway?


45 posted on 10/07/2007 1:51:29 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover; bigheadfred
Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
46 posted on 10/07/2007 2:31:27 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: RedRover

It is just an almost daily occurrence brought on by exposing
my fragile psyche to the continuous onslaught of B.S. from the beloved ememedia, it tends to make me seem a tad unusual.

“And all who heard should see them there,
And all should cry, Beware ! Beware !
His flashing eyes, his floating hair !”

Samuel Coleridge Taylor

My Poetry prof in college was a demolition expert that fought the Japanese in WWII.He became a very good friend.He was continuously appalled and greatly saddened by the damage he did with his booby-traps, etc. His traps had the great facility to be able to distinguish between Us and Them, noncombatants, wildlife, etc., you see... He was killed while climbing The Grand Teton in 1982. I still see the grief in his eyes. Feel the pain in his heart. I miss him.


47 posted on 10/07/2007 2:33:12 PM PDT by bigheadfred (Thanks for the Anuerism RedRover)
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To: AliVeritas

To Lardass Murtha:

Resign!


48 posted on 10/07/2007 2:34:06 PM PDT by sono (The Democrats are running against ... Rush Limbaugh!)
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To: sono

Has the “staged atrocity” aspect been reported in the media?


49 posted on 10/07/2007 3:13:35 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: RS; RedRover

The schematic is a little unclear since it doesn’t show where the other two IED’s were found. That would be helpful in showing the entirety of attacks that were allegedly planned for that day. The two IEDs that were discovered at 0835 and 0915 appear to be in close proximity to the first that was exploded at 0716, based on some work that RS has done. If all three IEDs were connected, insurgents were planning on maximizing the damage on Nov. 19, 2005.

RS and Red, would it be of any help to show the two schematics where timelines and general locations are shown for comparison? It’s not definitive, but gives a general feel for the actions/timeline.


50 posted on 10/07/2007 3:21:00 PM PDT by Girlene
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