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As Obama Talks Religion, Questions Surround His Controversial Pastor
FOX NEWS ^ | October 08, 2007 | Cristina Corbin

Posted on 10/08/2007 12:48:40 PM PDT by Baladas

Barack Obama has put his religion back into the headlines, trumpeting the power and salvation of faith and asking a church audience in South Carolina to help him become “an instrument of God” and join him in creating “a Kingdom right here on Earth."

But the Democratic contender's talk on Sunday of breaking down religious and political differences has some critics questioning the Illinois senator's own beliefs — and those of the man identified as his spiritual adviser — and whether his messages of spiritual inclusion and tolerance have remained consistent.

Obama has written and spoken about being inspired by the preaching of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., and his calls to “spur social change.” The title of Obama’s second book, “The Audacity of Hope,” which essentially launched his presidential bid, was taken from a sermon by Wright.

Baptized in Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ, Obama has been an active member for two decades, regularly attending services with his family under Wright's spiritual mentorship.

Some of Wright’s sermons, which often address themes of white supremacy and black repression, have come under scrutiny by those who interpret them as racially divisive. Such preaching, they believe, polarizes Americans rather than unites them.

“Wright’s preaching does promote a sort of racial exclusivity,” said Michael Cromartie, vice president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington.

“Statements that suggest you cannot truly understand God unless you are black or poor are exclusive.”

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election2008; jeremiahwright; messiahcomplex; obamareligion; pastor; religiousleft; rtacism; ucc
Maybe he needs to go back to Islam.
1 posted on 10/08/2007 12:48:43 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: Baladas

“help him become “an instrument of God”

That would make him the Mahdi.


2 posted on 10/08/2007 12:57:03 PM PDT by Spok
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To: Baladas

Holy mother, can you imagine what the media and all the leftys would be screaming if any conservative or inde for that matter, any Catholic said, “”join him in creating “a Kingdom right here on Earth.””

The airwaves would be melting down over screaming faces yelling and ranting about death squads and concentration camps. The word, “Nazi,” would be shunted about and all the world would stand by horrified.

But no....

No double standard there, no siree.

And the media thinks anyone trusts them?

(I like my propaganda served in the afternoon. My stomach’s empty at that time. Less messy.)


3 posted on 10/08/2007 12:59:32 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Baladas
...to help him become “an instrument of God” and join him in creating “a Kingdom right here on Earth."

Wow. If he had an (R) behind his name instead of (D) he would already be pilloried by the MSM.

4 posted on 10/08/2007 1:00:25 PM PDT by ladtx ( "I don't know how I got over the hill without getting to the top." - - Will Rogers)
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To: Baladas

Can you imagine if a Republican started talking like this?


5 posted on 10/08/2007 1:01:18 PM PDT by gunservative
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To: Baladas
"join him in creating “a Kingdom right here on Earth""

Trinity United Church of Christ has been discussed on Hannity and Combs. Talking points include:

-- It's seemingly black separatist agenda
-- It's seemingly anti-white and anti-semitic

6 posted on 10/08/2007 1:03:52 PM PDT by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: Baladas
I know I've posted this 3 or 4 times in the past ... but when I look at this church's 'about us' page ... it is just wrong (substitute 'white' for 'black' and 'europe' for 'africa' ... and its obviously wrong. Its a racist 'club' - not the Body of Christ).

Obama's church

7 posted on 10/08/2007 1:05:19 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: gunservative

“Can you imagine if a Republican started talking like this?”

Yep. It would be leading the news everywhere.

This will be barely mentioned.


8 posted on 10/08/2007 1:07:12 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Baladas
creating “a Kingdom right here on Earth.

Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you.

Then he said to his disciples, "The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. Men will tell you 'There he is! or Here he is!' Do not go running off after them.

Luke 17:19-23

9 posted on 10/08/2007 1:07:18 PM PDT by Taggart_D
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To: Baladas

Obama supports murder, despite what the Bible says about it. Obama supports racial preference dispite what the Bible says about it. Obama is a mostly smooth talking tool of the devil. Of that I am certain. There isn’t a person in the world who could convince me otherwise.


10 posted on 10/08/2007 1:08:06 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: Baladas

How ‘bout us honkies, ‘bama?


11 posted on 10/08/2007 1:08:44 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Baladas
help him become “an instrument of God” and join him in creating “a Kingdom right here on Earth."

ah, now that WOULD violate the separation of church and state. Even the Mayflower Pilgrims wouldn't stand for that. They studiously separated spiritual and civic activities.

I find his phrase "“a Kingdom right here on Earth." a bit, ah, extremist - like in muzzie extremist?

One can wonder how much he was influenced being raised in the midst of muslim parents/step parents. Certainly reasonable to think some of his thought processes would reflect his upbringing, like it does the rest of us.

12 posted on 10/08/2007 1:08:48 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: maine-iac7
I find his phrase "“a Kingdom right here on Earth." a bit, ah, extremist - like in muzzie extremist?

Do you think Baalaak Obama might be a muz?

His father was and he was raised in muzzie teachings...
nah...not a chance.

13 posted on 10/08/2007 1:14:32 PM PDT by evad
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To: El Cid
We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian.

So, I, a white guy, would or would not be welcome?

14 posted on 10/08/2007 1:22:57 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: evad
Many moons ago when Obama first got into this I went to his church's "Mission Statement" and thought then--

If this were a white church saying these things, they would be pilloried....BUT---it's a black church where politics/racism are allowed without their exemption being pulled by the IRS....

15 posted on 10/08/2007 1:28:13 PM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: Baladas
join him in creating “a Kingdom right here on Earth."

Somebody should remind this nitwit that we once had a Kingdom here. But we didn't like it. So we had a revolution and threw the King and his troops out.

And then we wrote and ratified a Constitution for the expressed purpose of ensuring that our land would never be a Kingdom again.

Do these people even listen to themselves?

Even Jesus didn't try to create a "Kingdom right here on Earth."

Just what we need: a President with a Messiah complex trying to outdo Jesus.

16 posted on 10/08/2007 1:29:41 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: litehaus
>> If this were a white church saying these things, they would be pilloried....BUT---it's a black church where politics/racism are allowed without their exemption being pulled by the IRS....<<

yes..the hypocrisy is blatant but it has become so rampant that it's just a way of life now for these characters.

I expect it.

17 posted on 10/08/2007 1:34:45 PM PDT by evad
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To: Maceman

You said it better than I was thinking it. All I could think is, “The arrogance is astounding.”

He should be nowhere near a nuclear weapon.


18 posted on 10/08/2007 1:37:19 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Maceman
Just what we need: a President with a Messiah complex trying to outdo Jesus.

If I might just redo one word...

Just what we need: a President with a Messiah complex trying to outdo Mohammed.

19 posted on 10/08/2007 1:37:19 PM PDT by evad
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To: RinaseaofDs
He should be nowhere near a nuclear weapon.

Certainly we wouldn't allow someone near a nuke that has a stated purpose of invading our allies....would we?

20 posted on 10/08/2007 1:39:29 PM PDT by evad
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To: Baladas

Obama: Imagine a Kingdom right here on Earth

Imagine there’s no heaven
It’s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today... I IIII

Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace... you whooo

You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world... you whooo

You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will live as one


21 posted on 10/08/2007 1:39:33 PM PDT by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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To: evad
Yes, his father was a muzzie = and his stepfather was = are we supposed to beleive that a little boy in the same house with a Muslim step father isn't going to be expected to live the faith?

This is a good link -

Los Angeles Times, via the Hartford Courant, USA Mar. 16, 2007

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Excerpts:

"At the local primary school, he prayed in thanks to a Catholic saint. In the neighborhood mosque, he bowed to Allah....

"His former Roman Catholic and Muslim teachers, along with two people who were identified by Obama’s grade-school teacher as childhood friends, say Obama was registered by his family as a Muslim at both schools he attended.

"That registration meant that during the third and fourth grades, Obama learned about Islam for two hours each week in religion class.

"The childhood friends say Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque.

"In his autobiography, “Dreams from My Father,” Obama briefly mentions Quranic study and describes his public school, which accepted students of all religions, as “a Muslim school.”

So now? if we just took the last paragraph - if he does indeed say in his own autobiography "... mentions Quranic study and describes his public school, which accepted students of all religions, as “a Muslim school.”...

Then why is everyone else who says so, branded liars?

Truth will out, the saying goes...and it sounds like has just opened his mouth and out fell the truth of his beliefs - Muslims shall set up and rule the Kingdom "right here on earth" =

22 posted on 10/08/2007 1:42:44 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Baladas

Obama Promising the ‘Kingdom of God’ on earth is talking way above his pay grade.


23 posted on 10/08/2007 1:44:54 PM PDT by AU72
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Of course he’s a muzzie. And as a good muzzie, for infiltration purposes and da’wa he joined a “church” that is virulently anti-semitic and anti-white. I’m sure Obamasama weighed joining that “church” and the noi (nation of islam, Calypso Louie’s cult), and opted for the former for political reasons. And, isn’t he on the Senate Intelligence Committee? If he is, he’s privy to all kinds of Top Secret information. It’s shocking what we’ve allowed to happen to America.


24 posted on 10/08/2007 2:01:12 PM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: Baladas
"...asking a church audience in South Carolina to help him become “an instrument of God” and join him in creating “a Kingdom right here on Earth."

He's looking in all the wrong places.

25 posted on 10/08/2007 2:09:13 PM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: Baladas
“Wright’s preaching does promote a sort of racial exclusivity,”

A fact about which the DBM will do anything and everything in their power to keep out of the news and off the radar.

If Obama were a Republican and went to a church like this, he would have hordes of frenzied media-types camped outside his house 24/7 calling for his head until they forced him to withdraw from the race and go into self-imposed exile somewhere in Antarctica.

Privilege has its privileges.
26 posted on 10/08/2007 2:22:05 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: Baladas

To understand Obama’s statement about a Kingdom on earth, one should know something about Christian theology. Namely, the Premillennialist belief that not until the second coming of Christ, when the King gets here, can the Kingdom of heaven become God’s Kingdom on earth vs the Amillennial belief that one need not wait until Christ gets here, we can have God’s Kingdom right now on earth.

Now the question is, what is his Chicago Pastor’s position on this? Is he Premillennial or Amillennial? One might gather from Obama’s statement that he is merely reflecting the theology of his pastor.

As a Premillennialist, I see the Amillennialist view as dangerous theology. It has spawned such things as Hitler’s 1000 year Third Reich, his version of the 1000 year millennial kingdom in Revelation chapter 20. It, in my opinion, will also be the theological basis for the antichrist kingdom when it arrives.

I might add, there is another view, Postmillennialism, even more dangerous, which might be the view that Obama and his Pastor believe in.


27 posted on 10/08/2007 2:50:43 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: maine-iac7
Muslims shall set up and rule the Kingdom "right here on earth" =

LOL...a mole....
And not even a good one.

The Manchurian Muzzie

28 posted on 10/08/2007 4:07:43 PM PDT by evad
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To: Right Wing Assault
Re: 14

Yes, that is a pretty sick and twisted 'core value' of a church that is claiming Christ as its head.
Christ is the center of our focus, as we are all sinners in desperate need of a Saviour. We all come as we are - whatever skin color, tongues, nationality, education, economic scale, or what have you, to the only one who can Save.

Twisting that focus to exult ethnic or national background is disgusting.

29 posted on 10/08/2007 7:17:04 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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