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Media Fail at Fact Checking on 12 Year Old Voice of SCHIP; Blogs(Free Republic) Pick Up Slack
NewsBusters ^ | October 7, 2007

Posted on 10/08/2007 3:28:15 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084

The media piled on when President Bush used his veto pen on this children's health insurance bill. They tried to drop the absolute moral authority bomb on it big time and paint him as not caring about children. Now it looks like a little backfire is on the horizon.

On September 29th, 12 year old Graeme Frost of Maryland got to do the Democrats’ radio address, in which he told his story of how he and his sister were seriously injured in a car accident, and if it hadn’t been for SCHIP, they wouldn’t be here today. The Baltimore Sun did a story on the family, in which it stated the family couldn’t get health insurance through their work.

"Bonnie Frost works for a medical publishing firm; her husband, Halsey, is a woodworker. They are raising their four children on combined income of about $45,000 a year. Neither gets health insurance through work."

There were many others in the media that swallowed the story whole with its hook. All of them were missing greatly in one major thing, facts.

Freerepublic's icwhatudo, managed to find plenty of missing facts using google:

"First, Mr. Halsey Frost, Graeme’s father, owns his own woodworking design studio, Frostworks, so his claim that he can’t get health insurance through work is shockingly deceptive. He chooses not to get health care for his family. Second, Graeme and his sister Gemma attend the very exclusive Park School, which has a tuition of $20,000 a year, per child. Third, they live in a 3,000+ square foot home in a neighborhood with smaller homes that are selling for at least $400,000. "

Dan Collins concludes:

"I’m glad little Graham and his family were able to get help, and I hope he reaches full rehabilitation. But perhaps the Democrats ought to take more care in the spokespeople they choose, if they wish to tug at our heartstrings."

Then again, as Mark Steyn says:

"But who needs facts when you've got the human-interest angle sewn up?"

Roundup of blogosphere reactions at Stop The ACLU


TOPICS: Free Republic; Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: democratparty; graemefrost; healthinsurance; icwhatudo; pajamahadeen; schip
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How about a round of applause for icwhatudo?
1 posted on 10/08/2007 3:28:20 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084
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To: icwhatudo

Awesome! The next Buckhead.


2 posted on 10/08/2007 3:30:27 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Salute to icwhatudo! Another example of the RATS lyin’ through their scummy teeth. Egads!


3 posted on 10/08/2007 3:31:36 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: icwhatudo

Your post has been cited by Newsbusters. Gratz!


4 posted on 10/08/2007 3:31:42 PM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner (The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is at all comprehensible.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084; icwhatudo

5 posted on 10/08/2007 3:33:11 PM PDT by MaryFromMichigan
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To: Eric Blair 2084

BRAVO icwhatudo, BRAVO!

6 posted on 10/08/2007 3:33:46 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Eric Blair 2084; icwhatudo

This baby’s got legs!!!

PowerlineBlog.com has picked up on this, as well....

“October 7, 2007
Busted!

A Freeper took the trouble to investigate the 12-year-old who gave the Democrats’ weekly radio address last week, and whose family ostensibly is too poor to pay for medical insurance, and therefore wants to use your money instead. The results are hilarious. Mark Steyn has more here.

Why is it that the chance of any mainstream media reporter doing easy internet research to check the accuracy of the Democrats’ story, as this Freeper did, is exactly zero?”

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2007/10/018686.php


7 posted on 10/08/2007 3:34:18 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Tracking The Flyin' Imams Since 11/20/06)
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To: MaryFromMichigan

Nice job, icwhatyoudo!! This is detailed by Rush in his website today as well.


8 posted on 10/08/2007 3:35:29 PM PDT by vigilence
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To: Eric Blair 2084

The article says neither had health insurance. Did they have auto insurance? I just had an accident (not my fault) and my health insurance won’t touch it, but my car insurance will. Could they be double dipping?


9 posted on 10/08/2007 3:35:58 PM PDT by trustandobey
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To: icwhatudo
I See What You Do
Your eyes reflect: Mystery and allure

What's hidden behind your eyes: A quiet passion
What Color Should Your Eyes Be?

10 posted on 10/08/2007 3:39:15 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084; icwhatudo

Maybe we should all make an extra donation to FR this month to honor icwhatyoudo?


11 posted on 10/08/2007 3:39:48 PM PDT by tioga
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Applause?? Heck, let's give the guy(?) a standing ovation!!! This is the power of a free people, citizen journalism at its finest.

Every news "organization" that ran that claptrap ought to be standing on a ledge a hundred stories up taking one last breath. When a common citizen can do the work that multi-billion dollar, high-tech professionals can't or WON'T do, those organizations have ceased to be useful.

12 posted on 10/08/2007 3:41:07 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

So, they didn’t have car insurance that would have covered some/most medical expenses related to a car accident?


13 posted on 10/08/2007 3:42:36 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("I know the fittest have not survived when I watch Congress on CSPAN.")
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Shouldn’t auto insurance have covered their injuries in an auto accident anyway?


14 posted on 10/08/2007 3:43:48 PM PDT by falcon1966
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Freepers will be joining Waxman’s hit list along with Rush, Hannity, Levin, and all the other conservative talk show hosts. What Liberals fear the most is exposure of their lies and deceit.


15 posted on 10/08/2007 3:44:29 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Freepers — doing the job the media refuses to do.


16 posted on 10/08/2007 3:45:05 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: y'all

The “Not So Poor” 12 Year Old Who Rebutted Bush on SCHIP Veto
Multiple, Baltimore Sun ^ | 10-07-07 | self
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1907687/posts?page=1#1

Posted on 10/06/2007 10:42:57 PM PDT by icwhatudo


17 posted on 10/08/2007 3:46:01 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

19 posted on 10/08/2007 3:46:53 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

They never called 1-800-I-SUE-4U ???


20 posted on 10/08/2007 3:47:38 PM PDT by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

bump


21 posted on 10/08/2007 3:48:32 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

How many reporters does the WaPo and Old York Times have and they get scooped by the pajama truth brigade.

Pray for W and Our Troops


22 posted on 10/08/2007 3:48:32 PM PDT by bray (Think "Betray U.S." Think Democrat)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner; icwhatudo
Better than that, he was cited by Rush Limbaugh referencing this link in his show prep. SCHIP & the Tobacco Tax
23 posted on 10/08/2007 3:49:32 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Has it been verified beyond a doubt that the two children attend the expensive private school?


24 posted on 10/08/2007 3:49:56 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Hats off to icwhatudo. The MSM doesn’t seem as invincible as they want us to believe when good people take them on. I wait for the day when we read about the MSM as a matter of history. They do not deserve the freedoms they have.


25 posted on 10/08/2007 3:50:28 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: Eric Blair 2084
he and his sister were seriously injured in a car accident.

So many questions. Who was driving the car the kids were in? Uninsured? Who was driving the other car? Also uninsured? Was either one drunk, or an illegal alien?

26 posted on 10/08/2007 3:52:21 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Steve_Seattle
Yes, it was in the Baltimore Sun Article about the children
27 posted on 10/08/2007 3:53:57 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: icwhatudo
Democratic strategery


28 posted on 10/08/2007 3:54:25 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (THOMPSON '08)
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To: Eric Blair 2084; icwhatudo
Nice name, icwhatudo. Quite appropriate.


29 posted on 10/08/2007 3:55:58 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (THOMPSON '08)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
"Bonnie Frost works for a medical publishing firm; her husband, Halsey, is a woodworker. They are raising their four children on combined income of about $45,000 a year. Neither gets health insurance through work."

There were many others in the media that swallowed the story whole with its hook. All of them were missing greatly in one major thing, facts.

Freerepublic's icwhatudo, managed to find plenty of missing facts using google: "First, Mr. Halsey Frost, Graeme’s father, owns his own woodworking design studio, Frostworks, so his claim that he can’t get health insurance through work is shockingly deceptive. He chooses not to get health care for his family. Second, Graeme and his sister Gemma attend the very exclusive Park School, which has a tuition of $20,000 a year, per child. Third, they live in a 3,000+ square foot home in a neighborhood with smaller homes that are selling for at least $400,000. "

So regardless...how to they pay tuition of $20k for 2 kids and a $400k home on 45 grand? Either A- they lied or B- the MSM lied.

30 posted on 10/08/2007 3:56:07 PM PDT by RockinRight (Can we start calling Fred "44" now, please?)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

“What Liberals fear the most is exposure of their lies and deceit.”

Think: cockroaches and sunlight.


31 posted on 10/08/2007 3:56:42 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Tracking The Flyin' Imams Since 11/20/06)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Thanks.


32 posted on 10/08/2007 3:56:48 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Wow use of our “great” public schools freeing up tens of thousands of dollars spent at a private K-12 school could buy one a decent amount of insurance.


33 posted on 10/08/2007 3:57:04 PM PDT by rod1
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To: Eric Blair 2084

The fact that we didn’t take the boy’s word for it, and checked out the story to see if it was true, just shows how mean-spirited conservatives are. lol


34 posted on 10/08/2007 3:59:04 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Perhaps one day in the future we will see another headline which reads “Baltimore man arrested for tax evasion”.
Now I’m going to have to pay more attention to the details of those kinds of articles.


35 posted on 10/08/2007 4:01:14 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Eric Blair 2084; icwhatudo

This is exactly why demorats want to shut down talk radio and gatekeep the internet. So this kind of lie cannot be exposed to the unwashed masses.

Hats off to you, icwhatudo!


36 posted on 10/08/2007 4:04:10 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: Bullish
Mrs. Columbo would be impressed.

37 posted on 10/08/2007 4:11:21 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Eric Blair 2084; icwhatudo; ChocChipCookie; Timeout

I’m not applauding until I see some actual facts from the anti-Frost side. I’ve seen several versions of this diatribe claiming that the family is clearly able to shell out $40,000 a year for private school, but not one iota of evidence for that. Most “exclusive” private schools have a lot of kids on scholarship, and for kids from families earning $45,000 a year, often full scholarships. We don’t know that they’ve paid a dime for tuition, but if they own a home in Baltimore (even if they have no equity whatsoever in it) you can be sure they’re paying huge taxes to fund the public schools that are too dangerous and academically useless to send their kids to.

The Baltimore Sun article says the family couldn’t find private health insurance for less than $1200 a month. Do we know that’s not true? Do we know that one of the parents or children didn’t have some pre-existing condition that made cheaper private insurance unavailable to them? And given that the state program was available to them at their income level, would all the accusers really have opted for the $1200/month private option?

And about this woodworking business that the accusers are quick to assume is profitable and could sell it’s building “purchased in 1999 for $160,000” to round up plenty of cash, do we know if the equity in the building (if any) is pledged to the bank that has financed the business and the building purchase? This sounds like calling family farmers “rich” because the land and equipment they own, and eke out a modest living with — all mortgaged/financed up to the hilt — is worth a million dollars.

The very nice house? Perhaps they were trying to make money by renovating and selling the house, making use of the father’s woodworking business to render the project profitable.

If we’re going to accuse political opponents of playing fast and loose with the facts, we need to be a whole lot more careful about the “facts” that we use in our accusations. Maybe they really are big-time moochers, but if we’re going to make that accusation as part of a political argument, we’d better do some real fact-checking first.

I don’t think government programs are the right answer, but the existence of government programs and regulations (like the one mandating free emergency treatment for everyone, including gangbangers and illegal aliens) are the reason medical care and insurance are so expensive that many families really can’t afford it, especially after they’ve been taxed for all the government programs they aren’t eligible for or wouldn’t dream of using (think Baltimore public schools). We’d advance our political objective a lot better by carefully explaining how government medical and other programs are the underlying cause of many working families’ inability to handle their medical expenses privately, rather than making a bunch of unsupported claims about how this particular family could have afforded to.


38 posted on 10/08/2007 4:13:33 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: I'm ALL Right!

I’ll have you know that’s me holding the second sign in the back...it was an operation I ran with Protest Warrior and yes I am 100% serious....the woman in the front is a 4-foot 11-inch conservative live wire named Rona...


39 posted on 10/08/2007 4:25:27 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: God luvs America

YOU ARE AWESOME. I wish I could have joined you.


40 posted on 10/08/2007 4:28:24 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (THOMPSON '08)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
The Baltimore Sun article says the family couldn’t find private health insurance for less than $1200 a month.

Sorry, I'm calling bullshit on that one.

Here in Taxifornia we are paying about $600 a month for catastrophic care Blue Shield coverage for the entire family, with deductibles of $2,400 per person or $4,800 per family.

41 posted on 10/08/2007 4:30:40 PM PDT by Lizavetta ( Politicians: When they're speaking, they're lying - when they're not speaking, they're stealing.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
The kids were covered by SCHIP. President Bush supports re-upping SCHIP, but opposes it's expansion to people making even more money. So, these kids were covered under the existing plan and would be covered under whatever plan Congress passes and Bush signs.

What am I missing here?

42 posted on 10/08/2007 4:31:42 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: Bullish; icwhatudo; All

icwhatudo is either:

Too humble to take a bow
Too important now that he is famous
Too busy lining up interviews at Fox and CNN


43 posted on 10/08/2007 4:32:34 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I tend to agree with you...dot the i’s and cross the t’s to make sure you CYA but a few things stand out....

-people who live in 3000 sq ft homes with appraised values of $400K are usually not eligible for scholarships...

- scholarships are usually for college and very few are handed out for kids who want to go to private school if they have access to public school...

- someone posted the wedding announcement of this couple from 1992 (I think the link is in this thread)....the woman is actually from Bronxville; right down the road from where I am typing this now...in this announcement from 1992 it says the groom “owns Frost Woodworks in Baltimore”...hence he’s had the business for at least 15 years and non-profitable businesses usually don’t last that long....if in FACT they show an income of $45K and the guy owns his own business it could be a case where he actually makes $150K but shows less to avoid taxes....

44 posted on 10/08/2007 4:33:06 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

The comments attached to that article are great. The liberals get their collective a$$ kicked. Hard. Love it!


45 posted on 10/08/2007 4:33:59 PM PDT by BillyBonebrake
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Wedding announcement from the NY Times for Halsey and Bonnie Frost. Poor people do not tend to get wedding announcements in the NY Times. Nor do they have families that were involved in designing “several public buildings in New York.”

WEDDINGS; Bonnie Sebring, Halsey Frost
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Del.icio.usDiggFacebookNewsvinePermalinkPublished: December 20, 1992
Bonnie Lynn Sebring, a daughter of Mr. and Mrs. James R. Sebring Sr. of Sparks, Md., was married yesterday to Frederick Halsey Frost, the son of Mr. and Mrs. A. Corwin Frost of Bronxville, N.Y. The Rev. Anne Reed performed the ceremony at Immanuel Episcopal Church in Glencoe, Md.

Mrs. Frost, 26 years old, is a receptionist at the Cat Hospital at Towson, in Baltimore. She graduated from Towson State University. Her father is an electrical engineer at Tracor Inc., a defense electronics manufacturer in Crystal City, Va.

Mr. Frost, also 26, is known as Halsey. He owns Frostworks, a woodworking and furniture-design studio in Baltimore. His mother, Randy Frost, is a quilt artist. His father is the deputy director of design and construction for the City University of New York in Manhattan. The bridegroom’s late grandfather Frederick G. Frost Jr. was an architect responsible for several public buildings in New York, including Martin Luther King High School in Manhattan..


46 posted on 10/08/2007 4:35:22 PM PDT by rhetorica
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Or enjoying the Columbus Day vacation with his/her family.


47 posted on 10/08/2007 4:35:33 PM PDT by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: icwhatudo

Well done FRiend!


48 posted on 10/08/2007 4:36:51 PM PDT by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: RockinRight
So regardless...how to they pay tuition of $20k for 2 kids and a $400k home on 45 grand? Either A- they lied or B- the MSM lied.

I choose "C" - they both lied. It was no mistake that the lamestream media didn't notice this little financial error - they ignored it and hoped that everyone else would as well. They've chosen their side, and it isn't the side of truth.

49 posted on 10/08/2007 4:40:13 PM PDT by meyer (Illegal Immigration - The profits are privatized, the costs are socialized.)
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To: Lizavetta

My husband & I are self employed. We have Kaiser Permanente’s Personal Plan. My husband is a smoker and we have two kids. The premiums are $604 per month.

Expensive, yes, but it’s not $1200 per month.


50 posted on 10/08/2007 4:40:35 PM PDT by Republican Red (The word "courage" is not in the liberal vocabulary)
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