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Court Upholds Food and Water for Eluana Englaro, Italian Terri Schiavo
Life News ^ | 10/8/07 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 10/08/2007 3:40:18 PM PDT by wagglebee

Milan, Italy (LifeNews.com) -- An Italian court has denied a request by a disabled woman's father to remove her feeding tube and authorize her death by starvation and dehydration. Eluana Englaro has been a coma for 15 years after an automobile accident seriously injured her and, this year, her father asked a Milan court for permission to remove her feeding tube.

This isn't the first time Englaro's case had been in court.

In April 2005, the Italian Supreme Court confirmed a lower court ruling to keep her feeding tube in place.

That case had also been brought by Englaro's father, who believes that she would have preferred to die. The court rejected the argument because there was no specific evidence on Englaro's views of life and death.

In addition, the court's opinion stated that to remove the tube required, "valuations of life and death that are rooted in concepts of an ethical or religious nature, which are extrajudicial."

The Italian case has drawn comparisons to that of Terri Schiavo, the disabled American woman whose ex-husband won permission from the court to take her life.

It also hearkens to Piergiorgio Welby, a euthanasia activist afflicted with muscular-dystrophy who had a doctor kill him in a euthanasia bid that is still under investigation.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bioethics; coma; death; dehydration; eluanaenglaro; ethics; euthanasia; feedingtube; italy; killing; moralabsolutes; prolife; schiavo; starvation; terrischiavo
In addition, the court's opinion stated that to remove the tube required, "valuations of life and death that are rooted in concepts of an ethical or religious nature, which are extrajudicial."

Perfect!

1 posted on 10/08/2007 3:40:20 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 10/08/2007 3:41:10 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 10/08/2007 3:41:51 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 10/08/2007 3:42:27 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

No murder under color of authority this time.


5 posted on 10/08/2007 3:43:12 PM PDT by null and void (Lib-uh-rulz are incapable of perceiving even the clearest consequences)
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To: null and void

I firmly believe that life begins at conception and ends when God says so, not when a doctor or court decides. No machines for me!


6 posted on 10/08/2007 3:49:18 PM PDT by Grams A
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To: wagglebee
The “euthanasia” crowd needn’t worry.This will be appealed to some European Union court which will uphold this woman’s “right to die with dignity”.
7 posted on 10/08/2007 3:50:05 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: Grams A; null and void
No machines for me!

A feeding tube and IV IS NOT a machine.

8 posted on 10/08/2007 3:57:50 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Grams A
As is your right.

If it's all the same to you, I'll take my antibiotics and vaccinations...


9 posted on 10/08/2007 3:58:10 PM PDT by null and void (Lib-uh-rulz are incapable of perceiving even the clearest consequences)
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To: Grams A
Feeding tubes are not machines, they've been used since the 1800's, they are less burdensome than drinking through a straw, and they are about as high-tech as contact lenses. Food and water --- for a person who can still metabolize nutrition --- are just aspects of ordinary care, like keeping the patient clean and comfortable.

Causing a helpless person to die of hunger and thirst is not "letting life end when God says so." It's criminal neglect and it's painful and cruel.

And if you've been paying attention to God, you might note that He says it is obligatory to "feed the hungry" and "give drink to the thirsty." (Matthew 25)

10 posted on 10/08/2007 4:07:14 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Hmm?)
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To: null and void
and the MRI

11 posted on 10/08/2007 5:08:45 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: wagglebee
It's a gooda ting that judga greer isn't I-talian!

www.judgegeorgegreer.com

12 posted on 10/08/2007 6:20:42 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I wish feeding tube manufacturers would engage in a public relations campaign. Feeding tubes are not "machines". I've seen infant feeding tubes. They are like small backpacks and a small clear tube. The babies and children who need them are mobile and weren't in any distress.

I think it's ashame we have to step in to defend feeding tubes. Where are the manufacturers? They aren't explaining their product line well enough.

13 posted on 10/08/2007 6:25:09 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER)
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To: All

I wouldn’t think a dad would be so cold.


14 posted on 10/08/2007 7:06:12 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: floriduh voter

You are so right. A baby bottle and -— like I said -— a straw are “artificial feeding” too, I suppose, just like feeding tubes. And God knows there are doctors who would be helpless to survive without their plastic-— credit cards.

If people had a little more experience with how normal ordinary care works for those who are weak and disabled -— I mean good care in the hands of good caregivers -— they wouldn’t be so bothered about it. Much of it is simple, common-sense, service-with-a-smile, and allows even medically fragile -— yes, even terminally ill ——people to enjoy life in a modest measure.

Nourishment -— nurture -— it’s the most human thing in the world.


15 posted on 10/08/2007 7:12:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Hmm?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Nourishment -— nurture -— it’s the most human and humane thing in the world.
16 posted on 10/08/2007 8:40:35 PM PDT by null and void (Lib-uh-rulz are incapable of perceiving even the clearest consequences)
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To: wagglebee
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


17 posted on 10/09/2007 3:41:05 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Nourishment -— nurture -— it’s the most human thing in the world."

The opposite of nurture is neglect. Neglect is supposed to be illegal.

18 posted on 10/09/2007 6:35:22 AM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER)
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To: wagglebee

Good Lord, let the poor thing die already. You could probably save thousands of lives with the money used to keep this body’s heart beating for the last 15 years.


19 posted on 10/09/2007 6:41:21 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
And you diagnosed this Italian patient when?

Luv your screen name.

20 posted on 10/09/2007 6:46:10 AM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Copied from my Profile Page:

FEEDING TUBES ARE NOT TORTURE DEVICES.

We should be careful not to demonize feeding tubes. They are not horrid torture devices. Sometimes, premature babies and children need them. There are portable feeding tubes like back packs called G-tubes. They are not scary looking and should not be looked upon as objects of torture. They save lives, sustain life and many times after therapy, can be tossed aside.

For anyone interested, here's Terri's Foundation w/other links that may prove helpful.

http://terrisfight.org/

Judge George Greer forbade swallowing tests for TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO even though she could swallow her saliva. He said,"The law of the case is that she will die."

Chilling crime, wasn't it? A judge citing laws he's been paid to follow instead of FOLLOWING the Florida Statutes making what they did to Terri a FELONY MURDER, said statute is on my profile page.

Web sites for all: www.judgegeorgegreer.com (more than Greer here) and www.michaelschiavo.com or .org (google it).

21 posted on 10/09/2007 7:09:14 AM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER)
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To: floriduh voter
Darwinism & Hitler:

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57351

22 posted on 10/09/2007 7:13:59 AM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
The woman is in a coma. She is not in pain. She is lying there as peacefully as a sleeping child.

If we give her the most modest decent care a human being deserves, she may slumber or she may die, or she may recover to some extent, who knows?

If you're a regular reader of this kind of thread, you know that there are instances reported, I would say about monthly, of people waking up from comas of long duration.

The science of mind and consciousness is incompletely understood, to say the least.

It is not expensive to supply nutrition and fluids with a feeding tube.. It costs about as much as eating 3 meals a day at McDonalds, choosing the cheapest selections on the menu.

She may not be living the life you or I would prefer, but it's the only life she has. Why should she be forced by those more powerful, to die of hunger and thirst? Why? Simply for her father's belief (or yours) that she should be dead?

Such would be the argument of the tyrant. Such a death would negate, not this woman's humanity, but our own.

23 posted on 10/09/2007 7:55:26 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Cordially.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The actual “food” they pump into this body may be a trivial expense but the “cost” of providing care 24x7 is nothing trivial.


24 posted on 10/09/2007 8:10:06 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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Good Lord, let the poor thing die already. You could probably save thousands of lives with the money used to keep this body’s heart beating for the last 15 years.

Just out of morbid curiousity, what is your criteria for deciding who should have food and water? I only ask because your statement have a rather unsettling familiarity to them.

Translation:
This person suffering from hereditary
defects costs the people 60,000
Reichmarks during his lifetime. People,
that is your money. Read 'New People'."

25 posted on 10/09/2007 8:23:37 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Such would be the argument of the tyrant. Such a death would negate, not this woman's humanity, but our own.

Excellent point! Elie Wiesel wrote that it was not the Jewish people who faced extinction during the Holocaust so much as it was that morality faced extinction.

26 posted on 10/09/2007 8:41:09 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
"Providing Care 24x7" for a person in a coma is not that burdensome. I speak as one who did it for my father --- not in a coma, but bedridden and very debilitated for months before his death.

The local Home Hospice Service (paid for by Medicare) sent one CNA to our home to bathe him daily, which took 20 minutes. We (my husband and I) changed his undies, shifted him around to prevent bedsores, turned on the radio to his favorite classical music station (while he could still hear), and so forth. We also fed him nutritious liquids with a 20 cc syringe (no needle) orally, and ice cream with a spoon.

The "bother" was comparable to care and feeding of the tropical fish in my kid's aquarium.

It's just a matter of common decency. It's what human beings do.

27 posted on 10/09/2007 9:12:42 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Cordially.)
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To: wagglebee
The Italian case has drawn comparisons to that of Terri Schiavo, the disabled American woman whose ex-husband won permission from the court to take her life.

Terri was never divorced and never had an ex-husband. Crappy journalism.

28 posted on 10/09/2007 9:36:33 AM PDT by Rita Hayworth (Vote for a guy who had 399 House Bank overdrafts totaling $129,000? Yeah right!!)
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To: wagglebee

The state alone has the legal power of death and guards that power jealously. It’s really the state’s only power (violence) so they won’t give it up even though they might lose it through revolution that would kick the state out also.


29 posted on 10/09/2007 9:41:12 AM PDT by RightWhale (50 years later we're still sitting on the ground)
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To: Rita Hayworth

You’re right, if Terri’s estranged, adulterous husband had divorced her she would be alive today.


30 posted on 10/09/2007 9:42:46 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666; Mrs. Don-o; 8mmMauser; floriduh voter; MHGinTN; Mr. Silverback; Sun; ...
The actual “food” they pump into this body may be a trivial expense but the “cost” of providing care 24x7 is nothing trivial.

So then, if the cost of caring for someone is "not trivial," are you saying that human life is "trivial"?

Who gets to decide? If someone wealthy is hospitalized and his family determines that they can get an extra hundred thousand dollars or so by "speeding up" death, should they be allowed to do so?

31 posted on 10/09/2007 1:02:31 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Speak of the devil...

A godless freeper is an oxymoron.


32 posted on 10/10/2007 4:04:23 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

And a FReeper who makes such statements and then won’t respond to questions about them is in all likelihood a troll!


33 posted on 10/10/2007 5:06:22 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Some people who love the dark scurry away when the light is turned on.


34 posted on 10/11/2007 3:37:44 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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