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Bush fights Texas over Mexican's death row case
Houston Chronicle ^ | October 7, 2007

Posted on 10/09/2007 9:46:25 AM PDT by uxbridge

To put it bluntly, Texas wants President Bush to get out of the way of the state's plan to execute a Mexican for the brutal killing of two teenage girls.

Bush, who presided over 152 executions as governor of Texas, wants to halt the execution of Jose Ernesto Medellin in what has become a confusing test of presidential power that the Supreme Court, which hears the case this week, ultimately will sort out.

The president wants to enforce a decision by the International Court of Justice that found the convictions of Medellin and 50 other Mexican-born prisoners violated their rights to legal help as outlined in the 1963 Vienna Convention.

That is the same court Bush has since said he plans to ignore if it makes similar decisions affecting state criminal laws.

"The president does not agree with the ICJ's interpretation of the Vienna Convention," the administration said in arguments filed with the court. This time, though, the U.S. agreed to abide by the international court's decision because ignoring it would harm American interests abroad, the government said.

Texas argues that neither the international court nor Bush has any say in Medellin's case.

Medellin was born in Mexico but spent much of his childhood in the United States. He was 18 in June 1993, when he and other members of the Black and Whites gang in Houston encountered two teenage girls on a railroad trestle.

The girls were gang-raped and strangled. Their bodies were found four days later.

Medellin was arrested a few days later. He was told he had a right to remain silent and have a lawyer present, but the police did not tell him that he could request assistance from the Mexican Consulate.

Medellin gave a written confession. He was convicted of murder in the course of a sexual assault, a capital offense in Texas. A judge sentenced him to death in October 1994.

Medellin did not raise the lack of assistance from Mexican diplomats during his trial or sentencing. When he did claim his rights had been violated, Texas and federal courts turned him down because he had not objected at his trial. Mexico later sued the United States in the International Court of Justice in The Hague on behalf of Medellin and 50 other Mexicans on death row in the U.S.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; bush; compean; crimaliens; hispandering; immigrantlist; immigration; presidentbush; ramos; raped; readdailykos; strangled; voteclinton2008
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Texas argues that neither the international court nor Bush has any say in Medellin's case.

Exactly right

1 posted on 10/09/2007 9:46:26 AM PDT by uxbridge
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To: uxbridge

Bush is really turning out to be a turncoat...


2 posted on 10/09/2007 9:48:24 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: uxbridge

The state of Texas should thank President Bush for his input, then pull the trigger on Medellin.


3 posted on 10/09/2007 9:48:53 AM PDT by Spok
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To: Star Traveler
A disappointment on many levels, yes.

Maybe he's fixin' to run for president of Mexico next.
4 posted on 10/09/2007 9:50:57 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
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To: uxbridge

His actions seem like obstruction of justice to me.


5 posted on 10/09/2007 9:51:12 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: uxbridge

Did he do it? If YES, fry him.

How many Americans are given “justice” in Mexico?

Texas has the right to do as it will, Bush is looking to make sure Mexico doesn’t get too friendly with the Caracas CaracPOT.

Mr. President stand up for the rights of the poor American girls who were raped and murdered.


6 posted on 10/09/2007 9:51:33 AM PDT by Former Dodger ( "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Einstein)
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To: uxbridge

One of the fathers was on FNC this morning, saying he had actually met Bush and that Bush made him some kind of promise. I don’t want to put words in his mouth, but it was along the lines of keeping the murderer in prison.


7 posted on 10/09/2007 9:52:46 AM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: LIConFem

Bush has been a disappointment all around, especially in his second term. Don’t really know what the hell they are doing up there at the WH when it comes to things like this.


8 posted on 10/09/2007 9:54:30 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: uxbridge

Mr President, neither you, nor any international court, has jurisdiction in this matter.


9 posted on 10/09/2007 9:57:00 AM PDT by SouthTexas
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To: uxbridge
Nauseating display of Mexiphilia. Whose President does he think he is?
10 posted on 10/09/2007 9:58:09 AM PDT by drpix
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To: KC_Conspirator

The reason that the power to commute a Death Sentence in Texas was taken from the Governor was so that no outside influence could affect the penalty from being enforced. Be that influence, money or Mexican presidents. The Mexican consulate should however, get a call. Come and pick up the bodies of your vermin and get their caracasses the hell out of the United States of America.


11 posted on 10/09/2007 9:58:56 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: uxbridge

The IJC is the judicial body of the un. Bush has acquiesced our law for theirs. In doing this he has proclaimed “their” laws over ride ours. This is only the beginning.


12 posted on 10/09/2007 10:00:04 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Star Traveler
Bush is really turning out to be a turncoat...Turncoat isn't quite the word I had in mind and manners suggest I not use the word. He may look better with time; however, right now he gives a pretty good imitation of being a not-to-bright, liberal democrat.
13 posted on 10/09/2007 10:01:08 AM PDT by pt17
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To: SouthTexas
Mr President, neither you, nor any international court, has jurisdiction in this matter.

Through the steady drip "we" have given them that right. Don't be shocked.

14 posted on 10/09/2007 10:01:54 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: uxbridge

There’s our president, standing up for America again.


15 posted on 10/09/2007 10:02:38 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Former Dodger
Did he do it? If YES, fry him.

He not only admitted it, he laughed about it in court

16 posted on 10/09/2007 10:02:45 AM PDT by Soliton (Freddie T is the one for me! (c))
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To: uxbridge

The President has been a big disappointment on many issues in his second term.


17 posted on 10/09/2007 10:03:26 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: uxbridge

I agree. Stay out of it Bush. You are stepping way over the line in something that is none of your business.

This guy should be fried.


18 posted on 10/09/2007 10:03:35 AM PDT by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: Spok

I think Texas should remind Bush that they are not to be messed with and give Bush the choice of pulling the switch or just watching.

This is clearly politics getting in the way of justice.


19 posted on 10/09/2007 10:03:53 AM PDT by SQUID
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To: LIConFem

“Maybe he’s fixin’ to run for president of Mexico next.”

He’s already the de facto president of much of it.


20 posted on 10/09/2007 10:04:11 AM PDT by tennteacher (Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: uxbridge
The Murders of Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena
21 posted on 10/09/2007 10:06:38 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: processing please hold
I’ve lived long enough to not be surprised by much of anything, but it is high time we took those rights back!
22 posted on 10/09/2007 10:08:17 AM PDT by SouthTexas
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To: tennteacher
"He’s already the de facto president of much of it."

This is as true as it is unfortunate.
24 posted on 10/09/2007 10:12:05 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
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To: LIConFem

I’d vote for him.


26 posted on 10/09/2007 10:13:36 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: uxbridge

State’s rights, Bush needs to shut up.


27 posted on 10/09/2007 10:15:13 AM PDT by Anonymous Rex ( For Rent)
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To: Still Thinking

LOL!! Me too, come to think of it! ;o)


28 posted on 10/09/2007 10:15:54 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
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To: SouthTexas
There is only one way to do that. "Repeal the un Participation Act."

Our leaders won't do that. We can bitch and moan till hell freezes over but until they repeal it-it ain't gonna happen.

Quote

The first step towards withdrawing from the United Nations would require the repeal of the UN Participation Act outright. Repeal would require the closing of the U.S. mission to the UN, and the withdrawal of all U.S. government delegations. The second step would be to give notice of withdrawal from accession to the UN Charter and from the Statute of the International Court of Justice.

Unquote

29 posted on 10/09/2007 10:16:50 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: uxbridge

Bush is no longer welcomed in Texas....I suggest Maine....


30 posted on 10/09/2007 10:19:11 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: uxbridge

Bush wants court to rule agin him.


31 posted on 10/09/2007 10:19:15 AM PDT by larryjohnson (USAF(Ret))
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To: All

Are you aware that the un’s existence itself is a ‘treaty?”


32 posted on 10/09/2007 10:19:20 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: uxbridge

Sit down Jorge!....just ‘cause you have a cozy relationship with the Fox and have forgotten how many killers you toasted in Texas doesn’t mean the frying stops!


33 posted on 10/09/2007 10:20:04 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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and from the Statute of the International Court of Justice.

Everybody catch that?

34 posted on 10/09/2007 10:21:24 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold

One other, The Republic of Texas. ;)


35 posted on 10/09/2007 10:30:21 AM PDT by SouthTexas
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One other, The Republic of Texas. ;)

Lol

People on FR scoff at the un. They underestimate our enemy when they do.

36 posted on 10/09/2007 10:36:25 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold
Scoff at the UN yes, underestimate them, never.

Have heard several of the talk radio stations in Texas picking up on the ROT theme lately.

37 posted on 10/09/2007 10:42:57 AM PDT by SouthTexas
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To: processing please hold

Appears to me, he is trying to protect Americans overseas...make other countries have to follow the ICJ and allow Americans to talk to US reps before being railroaded through their foreign court systems...on the surface appears bad, but the big picture may be something else. Just my opinion and NO I don’t care for the ICJ!

Then again he may be forcing the issue of rights with the US courts....

Not a battle worth stiring up without a darn good reason...


38 posted on 10/09/2007 10:43:47 AM PDT by anotherdubya
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To: SouthTexas

I believe this is a test case to see just how far the IJC can go.


39 posted on 10/09/2007 10:50:57 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: anotherdubya
Appears to me, he is trying to protect Americans overseas...

Don't kid yourself. If I go to England and break their laws, I expect to be tried by British law, not American.

Not a battle worth stiring up without a darn good reason...

To me the reason is obvious.

40 posted on 10/09/2007 10:54:18 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: uxbridge

“The president does not agree with the ICJ’s interpretation of the Vienna Convention,” the administration said in arguments filed with the court. This time, though, the U.S. agreed to abide by the international court’s decision because ignoring it would harm American interests abroad, the government said.”

Abiding by it hurts Americans here at home. Just ask the families of those two girls.


41 posted on 10/09/2007 10:55:30 AM PDT by InsensitiveConservative
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To: uxbridge

Bush WTF-#76. I’m sure there’s a perfectly acceptable legal explanation. You know...like with Ramos and Compean...


42 posted on 10/09/2007 10:58:02 AM PDT by reuben kincaid (Diplomacy's for pussies...)
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To: processing please hold

drip = don’t reelect incumbent politicians


43 posted on 10/09/2007 10:58:05 AM PDT by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: uxbridge

State’s right issue and Bush knows it.

The worm just can’t stop turning!


44 posted on 10/09/2007 11:02:47 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: B4Ranch
drip = don’t reelect incumbent politicians

Term limits should keep the pool refreshed. ;)

45 posted on 10/09/2007 11:03:53 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold

Hpefully it falls on it’s face.


46 posted on 10/09/2007 11:08:21 AM PDT by SouthTexas
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Hpefully it falls on it’s face.

We shall see.

47 posted on 10/09/2007 11:14:44 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold
"The IJC is the judicial body of the un. Bush has acquiesced our law for theirs. In doing this he has proclaimed “their” laws over ride ours. This is only the beginning."

If so, that's a direct violation of our constitution, and a violation of his oath of office, in which he swears to protect the constitution.

Strange that the RATS aren't screaming to have him impeached over this. It might actually have teeth.

48 posted on 10/09/2007 11:17:38 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: processing please hold
Yep, and hopefully too.
49 posted on 10/09/2007 11:21:25 AM PDT by SouthTexas
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To: uxbridge

50 posted on 10/09/2007 11:25:22 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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