Skip to comments.Phoenix cops call for end to immigration policy in city
Posted on 10/09/2007 5:15:22 PM PDT by SandRat
PHOENIX A union for police officers broke with leaders of the Phoenix Police Department on Monday in calling for an end to an immigration policy that the union says makes streets in the nations fifth largest city more dangerous.
The policy prevents police officers from asking federal immigration authorities for assistance in situations where illegal immigrants commit civil traffic violations.
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Pulling for the union, looks like. They’re the ones on the front lines, not the desk jockeys who have to brownnose civic pols.
I’ll support a union like that.
Like your tagline. The whole chapter works, too.
It’s appropriate for the times, I guess.
Its long past time to start punishing cities and states that practice sanctuary for illegals.
I don’t blame them. The pols make the policy, but in the public opinion the cops get blamed.
The thought of a LEO being reprimanded for enforcing a federal law is just a little disgusting.
There are at least 300,000 illegals in Phoenix (probably more). If those people become afraid to interact with the local police (as witnesses, for example, or when threatened by crime), then there will be an enormous island subculture
which will be entirely ‘lawless’.
There’s no way a city can exist like that; and there’s no way to arrest 300,000 people for being illegal and no place to put them if there was.
Police have to live with the reality of what is, and be practical about crime fighting.
The place to stop illegals is at the border.
GOOD for them !!
IIRC it was Phoenix cops that said the city's murder rate dropped about 30% with some added security @ our border.
And that's different from the current situation "how"?
LOL....IIRC, GWB in his book (1999) wrote "the most *compassionate* way to stop illegals is @ the border".
However, years later the feds continue to tell CITIZENS there are no funds to (compassionately ??) stop them @ the border.
Irving, TX is ONE jail in ONE town now deporting 300 illegals every month.....& these are illegals arrested for *other* than immigration crimes.
The Chief is creating a phony dichotomy. This isn’t about enforcing immigration laws on a daily basis, it’s about simple fairness. Those who ‘only’ committed a traffic violation will, upon being asked for a drivers license, probably produce a phony one. They’ll also be driving without insurance, and probably driving an unregistered vehicle. All of those are crimes. If they’re cited and released, they will have given a phony address and won’t show up in court, making the citation meaningless. So, you end up letting illegals ‘skate’ while legals experience consequences when they disobey the laws.
There’s nothing wrong with insisting on knowing who you’re actually dealing with so you can enforce the laws uniformly. If that involves ICE having to do a fingerprint check because the guy gave you a phony ID, and that check turns up a warrant, so be it.
Traitor Sutton is looking for a way to arrest these cops.
True..but we haven't stopped the 300,000 living in Phoenix. What now? Just turn the other cheek and accept them and the criminal activity?
The idea is to take those who come into contact with law enforcement and turn them over to the Feds for deportation. What's wrong with that?
And don't tell me it will make them hide from the cops. They're already doing that, for the most part.
Thanks for the pings, fellows.
Bull! Cut off all the damn benefits and they will leave themselves.
We will spend about a trillion dollars this year on these criminals!
I’m moving to the Valley soon. Is there an FR Chapter there?
The freaking border isn’t that far from Phoenix borrow a bunch of school busses and start a chain.
Harris is a police chief which means that he is a political whore, and will do whatever his master, the mayor or equivalent, tells him to do.
Pinging a valley person to answer Jeff's question? (I'm further south, Jeff, and I'd say we don't officially meet...unofficially, yes!)
Ahhhhh, excuse me did Harris say "centers on immigrants"? If they're immigrants, they are legal.
About two years ago I was cruising around on real estate sites looking at the possibilty of buying a second home in AZ, NM, or elsewhere in the Southwest.
These were real estate sites and forums, not political forums like FR, but I was surprised at the huge number of extremely negative comments *by current residents* about the illegal alien problem and how it had effected their communities: lots of expressions about increased crime, trash, drunk driving, etc. And a general sense of less security and even being under seige in some cases.
Obviously I’ve stopped looking for a place in the Southwest. Even St. George Utah seemed to have problems!
Prior to the 1990's, it was routine in both Phoenix and Tucson.
The joke was you could tell who the illegals were because they were the only people actually doing the speed limit.
It was not uncommon to see a car pulled over by the local cops and a green Border Patrol van right behind it - they would call them if they guy didn't speak English, couldn't produce any state or federal ID. And prior to the 80's, legal permanent residents were almost zero in Arizona.
What you just repeated about an island subculture is La Raza talking points propaganda designed to defeat immigration enforcement by disempowering the local police. They first tried that act in Los Angeles in the 70's, and it worked for them. The same immigration enforcement by local police used to be routine there, too, but with that babble speak line they got Special Order 40 implemented.
The police union in Phoenix is simply repeating the same drivel, probably at the urging of La Raza sympathizers and activists in their ranks who were hired under "Affirmative Action" mandates (hire a Conquistador! Pizarro was an oppressed minority!)
When it's too hot to live somewhere because the next traffic stop could mean deportation, you move. For a while people will tough it out and see if they can stay under the radar. But eventually the reality of that will cause the intended attrition.
They ( La Raza / LULAC / MALDEF ) know that and intend to defeat it.
And only defeatists buy that line.
Lets hope the union wins this!!! And then it spreads out to all the other departments in the country!!!!
The police chief (Bratton) has done nothing but suck up to the sanctuary city policy. He's useless.
I didn't catch this until I read it again in your post. He contradicts himself within the same sentence. Orwellian.
He needs to be replaced with a Sheriff Joe.
Doesn't federal law trump municipal policy?
Under section 642(a) of IIRIRA, a Federal, State, or local government entity or official may not prohibit, or in any way restrict, any government entity or official from sending to, or receiving from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service information regarding the citizenship or immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual.
I should think so but then,.... it would take an AG in Washington with some .. ahem... to enforce it.
I’m a big fan of Sheriff Joe. He is BADLY NEEDED here in the illegal alien heaven of Los Angeles, Mexifornia!
Not to mention a president who'd insist on it.
Phoenix changed so much in the 19 years I lived there. Maybe the draconian laws penalizing employers who hire illegals will make a difference. I really hope so! This policy is so stupid... the mayor Phil Gordon is a lightweight in the mold of Terry Goddard.
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