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Freemasons-freemasonry.com ^ | 29-07-2006 | Bro. Shaikh Hatim Fidahussein Nakhoda PM

Posted on 10/10/2007 2:15:55 AM PDT by Traianus

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To: VxH
You might like reading this. There are multiple articles here.
101 posted on 10/30/2007 6:24:09 PM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice, Comitas, Firmitas, Gravitas, Humanitas, Industria..)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
The principles of Masonry are incompatible with radical Islam.

Can you name three principles of either?

102 posted on 10/30/2007 6:28:15 PM PDT by humblegunner (My KungFu is ten times power.)
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To: a_Turk
[But the regular Kurd is just fine. ]

Then why are the Turks so opposed to an independent Kurdistan?

103 posted on 10/30/2007 6:29:10 PM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: Traianus

The pedophile fascist genocidaire Ataturk was a mason.


104 posted on 10/30/2007 7:26:31 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: Tribune7

Kurdish incursions


Kurds (and armenians and assyrians) have been in the region far far longer than Turkeys.

If anything the turks should get he h**ll out.


105 posted on 10/30/2007 7:30:04 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: VxH

The place is full of old nations. If they all became independent then where would we go? Perhaps we should create reservations for them! Nah.

If we can not avoid foreign entanglements, then we should at least avoid becoming hand puppets of some terrorist bands with impossible causes. No quicker way to lose an empire than to waste valuable time and resources on other peoples goals which benefit you none or are detrimental to your own well being.

The Kurdish administration in the north of Iraq harbors the terrorist organization PKK, and as such will not be allowed to lead any new state.


106 posted on 10/31/2007 4:27:23 AM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice, Comitas, Firmitas, Gravitas, Humanitas, Industria..)
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To: a_Turk

[No quicker way to lose an empire]

The U.S.A. is a Republic, not an empire.

[The Kurdish administration in the north of Iraq harbors the terrorist organization PKK]

If the PKK didn't exist, I suspect the Turks would find some other reason for objecting to Kurdish autonomy.

[and as such will not be allowed to lead any new state.]

Appears the Kurds already are leading a new state. While the rest of Iraq is in or near civil war, the Kurds are building a democracy.

Seems to me that a strong and stable northern Iraq, aka Kurdistan, would be in Turkey’s best interest. Just as an economicaly stable Mexico would be in the U.S.A’s best interest.

What are the Turks doing to facilitate prosperity and stability in Iraq?


107 posted on 10/31/2007 11:47:39 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: VxH

>> The U.S.A. is a Republic, not an empire.

At her core she is a republic which my Mason brothers crafted and fought tooth and nail to stand up. Her strong yet beautiful constitution also crafted by the same lends her the strength necessary to project her might accross the globe to conduct an awesome economic empire.

>> What are the Turks doing to facilitate prosperity and stability in Iraq?

We buy their exports and provide them their imports. We build their schools, airports, roads and hospitals.

I tire of your conversation.


108 posted on 10/31/2007 7:37:42 PM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice, Comitas, Firmitas, Gravitas, Humanitas, Industria..)
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To: a_Turk
[At her core she is a republic which my Mason brothers crafted]
 
Some of the revolutionary fathers were Masons.  Not all of them were.
 
[ and fought tooth and nail to stand up.]
 
That's interesting.  I know I have relatives/ancestors who fought for this Republic in the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. 
 
None of them were Masons.  I myself am an honorably discharged U.S. veteran.
 
Are you even a U.S. citizen?   Maybe you're just a Turkish parasite benefiting from the sacrifice of U.S. service men and women.
 
[I tire of your conversation.]
 
Well if you're too weak to continue then perhaps you should stop conversing.
 
Is Sharia law compatible with your vision of Masonry or not?  Can one be a good muslim and not desire Sharia Law?
 
 
[We buy their exports and provide them their imports.]
 
Those who funded Adolph Hitler could have said the same thing.  You'll have to do better than that.
 
Ahh yes, almighty commerce - seems like that is the only god of many masons.
 
What are the Turks doing to prevent Iran from perpetrating mischief in Iraq?
 
[We build their schools, airports, roads and hospitals.]
 
Do you now? And here "we" thought it was the Engineers of the U.S. army.

109 posted on 11/01/2007 9:44:44 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: a_Turk
[to conduct an awesome economic empire]
 
Pretty much sums up the facade, doesn't it.
 
 
Escuche, is that not the sound of rat's feet treading upon glass in yonder dry cellar that doth prickle my ears?

110 posted on 11/01/2007 10:30:51 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: a_Turk
 
I wonder what these murdered Armenians think of Turkish / Islamic "commerce".

111 posted on 11/01/2007 11:10:03 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: VxH

Yawn...


112 posted on 11/01/2007 5:12:33 PM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice, Comitas, Firmitas, Gravitas, Humanitas, Industria..)
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To: a_Turk

[Yawn...]

Coward.


113 posted on 11/01/2007 10:21:36 PM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: VxH

LOL! Double yawn.


114 posted on 11/02/2007 4:02:53 AM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice, Comitas, Firmitas, Gravitas, Humanitas, Industria..)
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To: a_Turk

Yawn all you want. It won’t change the truth.


115 posted on 11/02/2007 10:05:35 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: VxH

Turks like ATURK and his fellowtravelers suffer from a most troubling element: they are Muslims and as such cannot face or tell the truth about their sordid bloody activities.


116 posted on 11/02/2007 1:26:49 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: eleni121

C.S. LEWIS
Oration at University of London, 1944
THE INNER RING

May I read you a few lines from Tolstoi’s War and Peace?...

 

117 posted on 11/23/2007 12:47:31 PM PST by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: VxH

A lack of time precludes me from reading all at the link...can you sum it up for me and explain why it was sent?
Many Thanks


118 posted on 11/25/2007 3:34:26 PM PST by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: eleni121

It’s actually a fairly short essay and, IMHO, well worth the read. Lewis has some interesting insights regarding exclusive clubs and I think they are applicable to Free Masonry.


119 posted on 11/25/2007 5:24:36 PM PST by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: eleni121
FWIW, this is probably the group at Oxford that Lewis was referring to:
 
Professor Carroll Quigley died in 1976, and to my knowledge no one had tried to validate his research. In 1980, I
decided to find out how he knew about Cecil Rhodes' secret society since there were no references or footnotes in his
book. I contacted the History Department at Georgetown University where Professor Quigley taught, and I was told
that his papers had been donated to their library. I closed my medical practice, traveled to Washington, D.C., and
began reading through thousands of pages of notes, correspondence, and unfinished manuscripts. I found what I was
looking for among his letters. Professor Quigley went to England shortly after World War II ended, and while there he
met Sir Alfred Zimmern. Sir Alfred taught International Relations at Oxford University, and since both men were
historians and shared similar interests, they soon became friends. Eventually Sir Alfred told Professor Quigley about
Cecil Rhodes' secret society. The members of the organization called it the Group, or the Band, or simply Us. [2] Sir
Alfred joined the movement in 1910 and remained within the inner circle of the Group until 1922 when he stopped
attending meetings because he disagreed with their plan to support Germany. He was also concerned because they
supported Adolph Hitler during the years that led up to World War II.[3]
 

3. Carroll Quigley, The Anglo-American Establishment, Books in Focus, 1981, p. 265.

 

Cecil Rhode's organization collaborated with the Nazis.   I wonder what kind of special relationship Mr. Rhodes little club had with the Muslim Brotherhood?

120 posted on 11/30/2007 3:04:44 PM PST by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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