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Reid gets warm reception at BYU
The Deseret News ^ | October 10, 2007 | Tad Walsh

Posted on 10/10/2007 5:54:42 AM PDT by Utah Binger

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To: Landru

LOL


51 posted on 10/10/2007 8:18:00 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Sanctimony: Feigned piety or righteousness; hypocritical devoutness.)
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To: Utah Binger

While we are busy apologizing for things we have no control over, be reminded the Biblical injusnction stands:

1 Timothy 2

1. I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone—
2. for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.


52 posted on 10/10/2007 8:19:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TNCMAXQ

Jim Gibbons could have taken out Reid in 2004. Instead, he opted for the Governorship in 2006, which he won. Reid does have low approval ratings. So maybe Reid can be taken out in 2010.


53 posted on 10/10/2007 8:21:55 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Colofornian

Reid: “I am a Democrat because I am a Mormon, not in spite of it,” he said.


It depends on what your meaning of “it” is.

.....here we go again!


54 posted on 10/10/2007 8:22:00 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Life was better when cigarette companies could advertise and lawyers could not)
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To: Colofornian
Just the latest LDS leader to publicly ridicule and attack Evangelical Christians, a tradition started by Joseph Smith.
 
No!!  I am SHOCKED!!
 
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself adelivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I bsaw two cPersonages, whose brightness and dglory defy all description, estanding above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My fBeloved gSon. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to ainquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those bprofessors were all ccorrupt; that: “they ddraw near to me with their lips, but their ehearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the fcommandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the gpower thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself alying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, bmother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” 

 
 
 
--MormonDude(Sometimes I am NOT proud of our history)

55 posted on 10/10/2007 8:22:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Harry Reid=Brothel? Why I think Rush can use that statement out of context today.

Hey Rush, get a load of LC!


56 posted on 10/10/2007 8:23:29 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Sanctimony: Feigned piety or righteousness; hypocritical devoutness.)
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To: Utah Binger
Harry Reid=Brothel? Why I think Rush can use that statement out of context today.

Hey Rush, get a load of LC!

 

Heck... let him read it IN context!!!

 

Reid encouraged students to get involved in public service, telling them the American dream is alive.

His father was a hard-rock miner. To make ends meet, his mother took in laundry from the town's 13 brothels.

"I learned in America, it doesn't matter the education of your parents, what their religion is or isn't, their social status — we had none — the color of their skin or their economic status.

"I am an example of this. If I made it, anyone can."


57 posted on 10/10/2007 8:28:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Loud Mime; Utah Binger

A Post-Mormon welcome to you too, from Salt Lake City.


58 posted on 10/10/2007 8:34:35 AM PDT by colorcountry (If the plain sense makes sense, seek no other sense, lest you get nonsense! ~ J. Vernon McGee)
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To: Elsie

http://www.nvlb.com/home.htm


59 posted on 10/10/2007 8:35:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Loud Mime

If you get in trouble with the law; do you have to be read the Miranda thingy?


60 posted on 10/10/2007 8:37:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Utah Binger
Reid first spent 40 minutes delivering a well-received and sometimes tender BYU forum speech in the Marriott Center to 4,091 students, faculty, staff and visitors.

I didn't know there were 4,091 people in Searchlight, NV, much less that many that would make the trip to Utah.

61 posted on 10/10/2007 8:41:42 AM PDT by WesternPacific
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To: WesternPacific

Counts best if you add all of Harry’s friends that he introduces to the locals. He knows how to get people screwed in more ways than one.


62 posted on 10/10/2007 8:46:32 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Sanctimony: Feigned piety or righteousness; hypocritical devoutness.)
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To: Elsie
There's no Miranda when the Ultimate Authority is involved...just truth. You will incriminate yourself.
63 posted on 10/10/2007 8:57:03 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Life was better when cigarette companies could advertise and lawyers could not)
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To: Elsie
I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt...

Joseph says this "revelation" took place around 1820...well before any Mormons set foot in Missouri or Nauvoo.

So we have Harry Reid, 2007, at a BYU-sanctioned event: "They [Evangelical Christians] are the most anti-Christian people I can imagine, the people from the Christian far right." Joseph Smith, 1820ish: "...all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt."

Smith and Brigham Young weren't exactly spinning in their graves upon Reid continuing the Mormon acrimonious tradition of open bigotry, hostility, villification, and misjudgment.

If Mormons want to continue to this day of calling Evangelicals anti-christs, much to the standing ovation and applause of its student body and faculty, so be it. We can't stop Mormons from maligning Christians; but I would appeal to Mormons to stop maligning God's Word by saying that all Christian creeds are an "abomination" (a modern-day word for that would be "putrid").

64 posted on 10/10/2007 8:59:18 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Elsie
To make ends meet, his mother took in laundry from the town's 13 brothels.

So indirectly, the johns put bread on the Reid table?

(And if they were LDS, at the time, then twice-removed "john" money was tithed to the LDS coffers?)

65 posted on 10/10/2007 9:02:00 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Utah Binger

Given enough rope, he could hang himself. I just wonder why it is taking so much rope.


66 posted on 10/10/2007 9:09:44 AM PDT by CommonJudge (Fed up with Harry)
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To: TheDon

“Are the voters of Nevada going to support Reid for another term?”

Even the people of Nevada are embarrassed by/for Harry Reid. Those who voted for him last time have said “Never again”.


67 posted on 10/10/2007 9:18:10 AM PDT by CommonJudge (Fed up with Harry)
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To: Utah Binger
The answer is simple -- everyone has better things to do than to worry about the blatherings of MINO ("Mormon" in Name Only) Reid.

I expect that the Church leadership used this as a "focus group" to confirm what many have perceived as the sad, sheep-like state of too many LDS youngsters who have been educated in the liberal cesspools that we refer to as "public schools" and whose admiration of Dirty Hairy is about as much as they are able to muster by way of youthful rebellion.

I also expect that there soon will be a house-cleaning at the increasing liberal, albeit Church-owned, Deseret News and at BYU itself.

I take the Deseret News account with a grain of salt, having already heard conflicting reports from several BYU students concerning the level of enthusiasm and worship accorded to Dirty Harry the Red as reported by the Deserted News.

The Church cleaned out its KSL radio and television operation a few years back after it started feeling its liberal oats and its married news director was excommunicated after having an affair with a subordinate who also was married.

Finally, Dirty Harry fell into a neat little trap when he dissed the memory of Ezra Taft Benson and other revered past and present Church leaders and smeared many things that even relatively sane Democrats value.

I suspect that his sizeable base of "Mormon" and a lot of non-LDS voters in "Nirvada" is now swirling down the porcelain throne as we speak.

To paraphrase Reid's intellectual and moral superior, the fictional Forrest Gump, "Effrontery, arrogance, apostacy, and rudeness to one's host is as effrontery, arrogance, apostacy, and rudeness to one's host.

Good show, Hairy. You just shot yourself in the family jewels, such as they are...

68 posted on 10/10/2007 9:49:16 AM PDT by tracer
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To: Colofornian
"If Mormons want to continue to this day of calling Evangelicals anti-christs, much to the standing ovation and applause of its student body and faculty, so be it."

BYU students who were present and with whom I spoke state that the BYU student body and faculty did not cheer such remarks and that the number of the brain-dead ho gave Hairy the Red a "standing ovation" was quite small.

The Deseret News is an increasingly liberal rag containing a few editorial staffers who have trips to the woodshed and unemployment office in their future, having exercised their free agency in a foolish and destructive manner...

69 posted on 10/10/2007 9:58:10 AM PDT by tracer
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To: tracer
Hope you are right about this. Seems to me the folks at BYU really need a major overhaul.
70 posted on 10/10/2007 10:19:08 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Sanctimony: Feigned piety or righteousness; hypocritical devoutness.)
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To: tracer
BYU students who were present and with whom I spoke state that the BYU student body and faculty did not cheer such remarks and that the number of the brain-dead ho gave Hairy the Red a "standing ovation" was quite small. The Deseret News is an increasingly liberal rag containing a few editorial staffers who have trips to the woodshed and unemployment office in their future, having exercised their free agency in a foolish and destructive manner...

Your take on the BYU response (first sentence) isn't really all that much different than what I said the Deseret News reported in post #41: At the end of his speech, Reid earned a standing ovation from a small percentage of the crowd and applause from the rest.

So don't try to write off BYU's sanctioning of Reid just because both your sources & Deseret's sources agree that a "small" percentage of students rose to provide a standing ovation.

The fact is that probably for every Mormon student who gave a standing ovation, 19 more were applauding Harry Reid. And ya wanna explain exactly why BYU is providing a indoctrination platform to anti-Christ labeling politicians like Harry Reid? (I don't suppose BYU takes no responsibility for that, either)

71 posted on 10/10/2007 10:42:19 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Good question, my FRiend, but already answered in my post 68 above:

"I expect that the Church leadership used this as a "focus group" to confirm what many have perceived as the sad, sheep-like state of too many LDS youngsters who have been educated in the liberal cesspools that we refer to as "public schools" and whose admiration of Dirty Hairy is about as much as they are able to muster by way of youthful rebellion.

I also expect that there soon will be a house-cleaning at the increasing liberal, albeit Church-owned, Deseret News and at BYU itself.

I take the Deseret News account with a grain of salt, having already heard conflicting reports from several BYU students concerning the level of enthusiasm and worship accorded to Dirty Harry the Red as reported by the Deserted News.

The Church cleaned out its KSL radio and television operation a few years back after it started feeling its liberal oats and its married news director was excommunicated after having an affair with a subordinate who also was married.

Finally, Dirty Harry fell into a neat little trap when he dissed the memory of Ezra Taft Benson and other revered past and present Church leaders and smeared many things that even relatively sane Democrats value.

I suspect that his sizeable base of "Mormon" and a lot of non-LDS voters in "Nirvada" is now swirling down the porcelain throne as we speak.

To paraphrase Reid's intellectual and moral superior, the fictional Forrest Gump, "Effrontery, arrogance, apostacy, and rudeness to one's host is as effrontery, arrogance, apostacy, and rudeness to one's host.

Good show, Hairy. You just shot yourself in the family jewels, such as they are..."

Do you think I have called this correctly? Honest and friendly question....

72 posted on 10/10/2007 11:59:24 AM PDT by tracer
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To: tracer
I take the Deseret News account with a grain of salt, having already heard conflicting reports from several BYU students concerning the level of enthusiasm and worship accorded to Dirty Harry the Red as reported by the Deserted News.

Again, you don't have to take anybody's report of the speech, salt or no salt. (Reid's pre-speech text is already online--although his caustic "evangelical" remark was apparently an afterthought of his and is not in the text) One blogger said that "maybe half" of the student stood up for the ovation...now while that could be an overestimate, it sounds like your "quite small" guess is "quite" an underestimate.

I also expect that there soon will be a house-cleaning at the increasing liberal, albeit Church-owned, Deseret News and at BYU itself.

Hey, Harry Reid's "testimony" is part of the Deseret Book published, "Why I Believe" from 2002. Deseret's been pushing Reid for 5 years (doesn't sound like there's any rush to house-cleaning).

As for BYU, would that include the dean of the College of Family, Home and Sciences, David Magleby. (I don't think so). How did Magleby recently describe Reid's forthcoming campus forum? Allow me to quote Magleby:

Senator Harry Reid...will be speaking at Tuesday's forum assembly. As Senate Majority Leader, he is the first member of the LDS Church to lead his party in either the House or the Senate. He is a convert to the church who is frequently described as a committed member of the church. Whether we do or do not agree with Senator Reid on any particular policy matter, he deserves our respect and appreciation for his long career in public service. Within the church there can be and should be room for disagreement about political matters. At the 1968 Commencement exercises President Hugh B. Brown encouraged students to "strive to develop a maturity of mind and emotion, and a depth of spirit which will enable you to differ with others on matters of politics without calling into question the integrity of those with whom you differ. Allow within the bounds of our definition of religious orthodoxy a variation in political belief. Do not have the temerity to dogmatize on issues where the Lord has seen fit to be silent."

So Magleby, who already knew Reid's position on protecting marriage (or rather as not protecting marriage), saw fit to toss in a quote, "Do not have the temerity to dogmatize on issues where the Lord has seen fit to be silent." [Well, Golly Gee Mr. BYU dean of College of Family, Home and Social Sciences, we just didn't know that the Lord was silent on matters like marriage]

expect that the Church leadership used this as a "focus group" to confirm what many have perceived as the sad, sheep-like state of too many LDS youngsters who have been educated in the liberal cesspools that we refer to as "public schools" and whose admiration of Dirty Hairy is about as much as they are able to muster by way of youthful rebellion. I also expect that there soon will be a house-cleaning at the increasing liberal, albeit Church-owned, Deseret News and at BYU itself.

And I suppose since BYU-TV is going repeat Reid's speech eral timesr the next few weeks is yet a further extension of applying a "focus group" test to TV audiences at-large, including the vast number of Mormon adults who watch the program (especially the ones not prominently involved in "youthful rebellions).

And I suppose your "ouse-cleaning" theory will apply to BYU-TV as well?

And, of course, while SLC HQ didn't want to put tape over a guest speaker's mouth...now that he has gone on record to call Evangelicals (the "far right" as being the most "anti-Christian" monsters there could possibly be, we don't see SLC HQ rush into weigh in on BYU-TV's programming staff, now do we?

I guess that truly shows what the LDS general authorities & SLC HQ bureaucrats think of Evangelicals. (Any chance of your "house-cleaning" theory applying to them as well?)

73 posted on 10/10/2007 1:25:03 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
And ya wanna explain exactly why BYU is providing a indoctrination platform to anti-Christ labeling politicians like Harry Reid?

At least it wasn't Imadimnutjob!

74 posted on 10/10/2007 3:01:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
Reid has turned sharply left in the past six or so years. BYU-TV is educational, orthodox, and broadcasts the BYU athletic events and isn't seen by anyone as anything but a positive asset.

But the Church has had to deal with faculty who have gone off the deep end by anyone's perspective, be they LDS or not. And deal with them it has.

I'm disappointed that the Deseret News has been leaning leftward on a few issues, but sooner or later,I predict, its editorial board, made up of members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve,will clean things up a bit while avoidiung throwing the baby out with the bath water.

I know a fair number of LDS educators and journalists and, like their non-LDS counterparts, often are Democrats or liberal Republicans at best.

Jack Anderson (D-The Spirit World) was one journalist that was not exactly admired by President or Elder Benson over the years. I knew and liked Jack Anderson, but he never met a POTUS he could stand, including, to his credit, Jimmuh Carter.

Re: Reid, I remember sitting in the Tabernacle waiting for General Conference (October, 1988) to start (good seats/up close/long story), and saw none other than Senator Orrin Hatch (R?-Utah) saunter in with someone in tow who was identified for me as then non-LDS Senator Harry Reid.

My faith in the Lord and in the leaders of the Church remains quite strong, but I marvel at how the Church moves on -- growing and growing around the world -- despite the frequent cow pies, living and inanimate, that it must avoid stepping in each and every hour.

Its phenomenal success is in and of itself a miracle...

75 posted on 10/10/2007 3:37:40 PM PDT by tracer
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To: Elsie

Please don’t plant any ideas to that effect!! 8~)


76 posted on 10/10/2007 3:38:34 PM PDT by tracer
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To: Utah Binger

Were the students influenced to vote DemocRAT by his talk? Puhleese! I rather doubt that many were. BYU is a stronghold of conservatism, regardless of Reid speaking there. By the way, he claimed he wasn’t going to talk about politics, but then he slipped into the usual, slime the Pubbies, RAT rants.


77 posted on 10/10/2007 4:05:57 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: meandog

How do you know most BYU profs are liberal? I know several, and not one is a liberal. As for challenging profs, the students do very well at it and are not naive or malleable at all. It is very difficult to get into BYU now and they admit only the brightest candidates with the highest test scores.


78 posted on 10/10/2007 4:11:45 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: meandog

You are wrong on all counts, and your dirt bag list is evidence enough. You have some seriously maladjusted opinions in my experience as a BYU graduate.


79 posted on 10/10/2007 4:29:19 PM PDT by wita (truthspeaksi@freerepublic.com)
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To: Paulus Invictus
How do you know most BYU profs are liberal?...

Ever hear of Hugh Nibley? On outward appearance he would seem to be an ultra-Mormon in (falsely) disbuting Fawn Brodie's expose about Joseph Smith...but he was an anti-war type lefty kook when it came to national politics.

80 posted on 10/10/2007 5:39:15 PM PDT by meandog (I'm one of the FEW and the BRAVE FReepers still supporting John McCain)
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To: wita
You are wrong on all counts, and your dirt bag list is evidence enough. You have some seriously maladjusted opinions in my experience as a BYU graduate.

Thanks for the correction...I'll have to assume now that Harry Reid (the topic of this discussion) fits right into yours and BYU's political sphere. Incidentally, he'll probably make my "dirtbag list" after his passing from the Senate--right along with dirtbag pedophile polygamists and false prophets Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.

81 posted on 10/10/2007 5:46:10 PM PDT by meandog (I'm one of the FEW and the BRAVE FReepers still supporting John McCain)
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To: tracer
BYU-TV is educational, orthodox, and broadcasts the BYU athletic events and isn't seen by anyone as anything but a positive asset.

"Orthodox" used in what context?

82 posted on 10/11/2007 4:57:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tracer
My faith in the Lord and in the leaders of the Church remains quite strong, but I marvel at how the Church moves on -- growing and growing around the world -- despite the frequent cow pies, living and inanimate, that it must avoid stepping in each and every hour.

Its phenomenal success is in and of itself a miracle...

This; also; could be said...

My faith in Mohammed (PBUH) and in the Imams of Islam remains quite strong, but I marvel at how the Jihad moves on -- growing and growing around the world -- despite the frequent cow pies, living and inanimate, that it must avoid stepping in each and every hour.

Its phenomenal success is in and of itself a miracle...

83 posted on 10/11/2007 4:59:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tracer

Indeed!!!

I’ve been wondering how well Nutjob’s entourage was searched before being allowed in this country.

Could THEY have brought WMDs in, scattered amoung their luggage??


84 posted on 10/11/2007 5:01:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Paulus Invictus
By the way, he claimed he wasn’t going to talk about politics, but then he slipped into the usual, slime the Pubbies, RAT rants.

Even when trying not to talk religion in a 'political' thread here on FR, somehow it appears and then the usual accusations begin: the non-LDS churches are incomplete and fail to have the fullness of the Gospel and they did bad things in the past.

85 posted on 10/11/2007 5:04:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

somehow it appears and then the usual accusations begin: the non-LDS churches are incomplete and fail to have the fullness of the Gospel and they did bad things in the past.

Would you care to document this little tidbit of fiction. From the standpoint of one on the Mormon side of the issue, the only vindictive, negative, and accusatory posts have been by the usual suspects.


86 posted on 10/11/2007 8:17:49 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaksi@freerepublic.com)
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To: Elsie

Small “o,” and orthodox with respect to Church doctrine. BYU-TV broadcasts a lot of religious and other educational content, along with BYU athletics...


87 posted on 10/11/2007 8:22:14 AM PDT by tracer
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To: meandog

I’m afraid that history class in the hereafter will have to be the source for the “truth”. If we can arrange to attend the same class, I’ll willingly admit to being wrong, if proven so, and if you are wrong, regards Joseph and Brigham, I get to say I told you so. Can’t argue with your other dirt bags including Dingy Harry Reid.


88 posted on 10/11/2007 8:27:19 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaksi@freerepublic.com)
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To: wita
I’m afraid that history class in the hereafter will have to be the source for the “truth”. If we can arrange to attend the same class, I’ll willingly admit to being wrong, if proven so, and if you are wrong, regards Joseph and Brigham, I get to say I told you so. Can’t argue with your other dirt bags including Dingy Harry Reid.

Agreed...no offense meant to Mormons but it seems, IMO, that Msrs. Smith and Young are regaled in the same way that RCs regale certain popes (as infallible). It is my belief that all men are mistake prone--especially so when it comes to religious tenents and proclamations of "true" churches. Sorry, but I'm somewhat of a universalist in believing that we ALL have a good chance of getting to Christly paradise (including the good among Jews, Mormons, Buddists, Shintos, and Hindus)

89 posted on 10/11/2007 9:02:32 AM PDT by meandog (I'm one of the FEW and the BRAVE FReepers still supporting John McCain)
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To: wita
We believe that Joseph Smith's charge to avoid churches in his New York state "neighborhood" stemmed from the historical fact that there was much tumolt and contention among them and that they apparently were off in left field re: the doctrines of their own parent denominations.

Indeed, Joseph found himself in the middle of a sectarian war without even a clear battle front and he was confused by what was going on and was seeking the truth.

It is my understanding -- through my years as a Sunday school student and teacher, a member of LDS congregations wherein spiritual "talks" are presented every Sunday and at other times by the leaders and members of the Church, a presenter of such "talks" in various roles in the capacity of a member of the leadership of a few "stakes" (consisting of six to eight "wards," or congregations) -- that the lord's admonishment to Joseph Smith was not a blanket condemnation of the very religious denominations that had kept the name of Jesus Christ "alive" since the original apostles left the earth.

The Articles of Faith of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have much to say on such matters: We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.

We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

There are other articles of faith, but I have selected those which seem most relevant to your question.

The Church, through its leadership and members, interact amicably and productively with those of other faiths through inter-faith councils, national organizations (approximatley 1/3 of the members of the Boy Scouts of America are sponsored by LDS congregations), and other bodies.

We render a considerable quantity of relief aid to victims of disasters, in the form of funds, food, clothing and blankets, medical supplies, etc. and, strange though it may seem, for decades we have done so via the good offices of Catholic Charities.

We often pitch in to re-build churches (e.g., in Florida after hurricanes) and synagogues damaged or destroyed by natural disasters of by arson and vandalism and indeed, have been defended -- by the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Brit -- against hateful and viciously false claims contained in a film produced and disseminated by anti-LDS group.

We reach out to Catholics, ProtestantsJews (e.g., BYU operates a religious studies institute on the Mount of Olives), Muslims, and others alike, and the Church, believe it or not, had and possibly still retains a New York public relations consulting firm owned by some of our Jewish brothers and sisters.

With respect to the FR, we try to address and teach in the face of the lies of those who admittedly have never even attended an LDS Sunday meeeting or watched our semi-annual General Conference on cable TV in the comfort of their own living rooms.

That said, the record will show that, although we are not always cheery and gentle our discussions in accordance with the teaching and example of the Savior, we virtually never have attacked the beliefs of individual FReepers and likewise have not assailed the doctrines and earthly embodiments of any religious body.

Indeed, I and others have defended Catholic FReepers against the venom spewed against their Church re: covert sexual abuse and other matters.

All we would like to do is get along, and we seek to avoid starting flamewars here, unless such occurs immediately after reference to our Church or its members, "prominent" or otherwise.

Again and finally, "We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."

Thank you for your sincere and polite question....

90 posted on 10/11/2007 9:08:57 AM PDT by tracer
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To: Colofornian
FWIW, the Marriott Center seats 25,000 and usually is filled during events which take place therein.

Dirty Harry's flock of some 4,000 curious or liberal folks does not exactly constitute a ringing endorsement of him by the BYU family...

91 posted on 10/11/2007 9:14:27 AM PDT by tracer
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To: wita

My post #90 should have been addressed to Elsie. New glasses are in my future...


92 posted on 10/11/2007 9:16:51 AM PDT by tracer
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To: Utah Binger
"Reid.....described a journey .....to his position as the highest-ranking Mormon in American government."

His contention is arguable. Michael Leavitt serves a Secretary of Health and Human Services in the Bush administration. Several other "Mormons" have held cabinet-level positions in the past....

93 posted on 10/11/2007 9:21:57 AM PDT by tracer
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To: Paulus Invictus; wita
How do you know most BYU profs are liberal? I know several, and not one is a liberal. As for challenging profs, the students do very well at it and are not naive or malleable at all. It is very difficult to get into BYU now and they admit only the brightest candidates with the highest test scores.

FYI click here for recent BYU cave to gays

94 posted on 10/11/2007 10:12:37 AM PDT by meandog (I'm one of the FEW and the BRAVE FReepers still supporting John McCain)
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To: wita
 
Would you care to document this little tidbit of fiction.
 
 
 
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself adelivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I bsaw two cPersonages, whose brightness and dglory defy all description, estanding above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My fBeloved gSon. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to ainquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those bprofessors were all ccorrupt; that: “they ddraw near to me with their lips, but their ehearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the fcommandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the gpower thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself alying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, bmother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” 

 
 
 
 You've been around here longer than I.  You've read the output from proud LDS organization members, telling about their church and what it offers over 'regular', un-restored Christianity.  This is no need for ME to 'document' anything.

95 posted on 10/11/2007 11:31:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tracer
Small “o,” and orthodox with respect to Church doctrine.

I'll assume you mean LDS organization doctrine.

96 posted on 10/11/2007 11:33:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: meandog
The amended code says: "One's stated sexual orientation is not an Honor Code issue," and "Brigham Young University will respond to homosexual behavior rather than to feelings or orientation and welcomes as full members of the university community all whose behavior meets university standards."

However, acting on one's homosexuality through sexual intimacy, giving expression to homosexual feelings and advocating for homosexual behavior are still violations of the code and grounds for expulsion at Brigham Young.

Matthew 5:27-28
27. "You have heard that it was said, `Do not commit adultery.'
28. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

97 posted on 10/11/2007 11:38:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tracer

Whew. My head was spinning.


98 posted on 10/11/2007 11:45:42 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaksi@freerepublic.com)
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To: meandog

As the article states it is a clarification. Nothing has changed as I see it and we had no lack of Homosexuals when I was attending in the late fifties and early sixties. Those who engaged in the physical expression of their tendencies were expelled from school. Those who desired to control those tendencies were retained. I personally knew (not in the biblical sense) both. The school mascot was one who got the boot. just happened to live two doors down from me in the same dorm. Who knew. I didn’t, until the expulsion.


99 posted on 10/11/2007 11:53:58 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaksi@freerepublic.com)
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To: Elsie

Even when trying not to talk religion in a ‘political’ thread here on FR, somehow it appears and then the usual accusations begin:

I persist, What accusations? There have been none, and you cannot show me any. The only ones I’ve seen are as I said previously from the usual anti-mormon suspects whose screen names miraculously appear on any thread remotely about anything Mormon. Amazing isn’t it.

PS, 90 posted on 10/11/2007 10:08:57 AM MDT by tracer This response was for you.


100 posted on 10/11/2007 12:11:56 PM PDT by wita (truthspeaksi@freerepublic.com)
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