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Ranking the GOP contenders (Hunter at bottom)
MSNBC ^ | 10.10.07

Posted on 10/10/2007 6:15:33 AM PDT by meandog

Rudy Giuliani Former New York City mayor Last Ranking: 1 Stars are aligning. It's not his nomination to lose, but there's a clear path to win for him. The latest NBC/WSJ poll shows that three out of four GOP voters care more about issues Giuliani can prove he's conservative on (terrorism, taxes and education/health care) than issues he struggles with re: conservatism (moral values and immigration).

Mitt Romney Former Massachusetts governor Last Ranking: 3 After languishing a bit for the last month, it seems Romney's camp has a plan for how to tackle Rudy: Ignore Thompson and try to make this a two-person race again.

Fred Thompson Former Tennessee senator Last Ranking: 2 If anyone is in need of a re-launch, it's Thompson.

John McCain Arizona senator Last Ranking: 5 His base (the media) seems desperate to deal him back in, but what's going to happen to McCain if he loses in Iowa to Paul and Huckabee?

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Report on Hunter: "No reason to rank him anymore" (BARF)
1 posted on 10/10/2007 6:15:36 AM PDT by meandog
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To: meandog

Sad, but true...


2 posted on 10/10/2007 6:18:36 AM PDT by Keith (ANY REPUBLICAN in 2008 -- it's about defeating Mrs. Bill Clinton)
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To: meandog
I like Hunter's positions better than Thompson's (though they are mostly similar), and I find that Hunter made a better impression on me than Fred.

Hunter is at the bottom at least in part because the media wants him there.

3 posted on 10/10/2007 6:19:31 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: meandog

Another BARF for ranking RINO Rooty at the top. Typical MesSNBC.

If the choice is Julie Annie or Hitlery, we got worse and worser. Please Lord let it not be so.


4 posted on 10/10/2007 6:19:31 AM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: meandog
“three out of four GOP voters care more about issues Giuliani can prove he’s conservative on (terrorism, taxes and education/health care) than issues he struggles with”

I agree. I like Rudy’s 12 Commitments. I remain concerned about how he will handle immigration, but I believe he will do better than Bush.

The Twelve Commitments:

I will keep America on offense in the Terrorists’ War on Us.
I will end illegal immigration, secure our borders, and identify every non-citizen in our nation.
I will restore fiscal discipline and cut wasteful Washington spending.
I will cut taxes and reform the tax code.
I will impose accountability on Washington.
I will lead America towards energy independence.
I will give Americans more control over, and access to, healthcare with affordable and portable free-market solutions.
I will increase adoptions, decrease abortions, and protect the quality of life for our children.
I will reform the legal system and appoint strict constructionist judges.
I will ensure that every community in America is prepared for terrorist attacks and natural disasters.
I will provide access to a quality education to every child in America by giving real school choice to parents.
I will expand America’s involvement in the global economy and strengthen our reputation around the world.

5 posted on 10/10/2007 6:21:25 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: meandog
Rudy: Ignore Thompson and try to make this a two-person race again.

Ignore who may be the most conservative candidate of the moderate wing to go after the one closest to him politically? Doesn't sound like a smart strategy to me.

6 posted on 10/10/2007 6:21:44 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: meandog
“three out of four GOP voters care more about issues Giuliani can prove he’s conservative on (terrorism, taxes and education/health care) than issues he struggles with”

I agree. I like Rudy’s 12 Commitments. I remain concerned about how he will handle immigration, but I believe he will do better than Bush.

The Twelve Commitments:

I will keep America on offense in the Terrorists’ War on Us.
I will end illegal immigration, secure our borders, and identify every non-citizen in our nation.
I will restore fiscal discipline and cut wasteful Washington spending.
I will cut taxes and reform the tax code.
I will impose accountability on Washington.
I will lead America towards energy independence.
I will give Americans more control over, and access to, healthcare with affordable and portable free-market solutions.
I will increase adoptions, decrease abortions, and protect the quality of life for our children.
I will reform the legal system and appoint strict constructionist judges.
I will ensure that every community in America is prepared for terrorist attacks and natural disasters.
I will provide access to a quality education to every child in America by giving real school choice to parents.
I will expand America’s involvement in the global economy and strengthen our reputation around the world.

7 posted on 10/10/2007 6:22:06 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: meandog
The latest NBC/WSJ poll shows that three out of four GOP voters care more about issues Giuliani can prove he's conservative on (terrorism, taxes and education/health care) than issues he struggles with re: conservatism (moral values and immigration).

In other words, Giuliani will lose 25% of GOP voters. That means he cannot win.

I am one of those voters, and I will NEVER vote for him.

"If you will just agree to the murdering of your children, then we can win the presidency."

8 posted on 10/10/2007 6:27:08 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

how about Thompson / Romney? Sounds like a decent ticket to me......... or Thompson / Hunter?


9 posted on 10/10/2007 6:27:47 AM PDT by joe fonebone (When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout)
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To: Keith

Get ready for a New York vs a New Yorker. If Bloomberg runs, it will be an NYC trifecta.

Keep in mind that no Democrat from outside the South has carried a southern state since Humphrey won Texas in 1968 (and lost the rest of the South).


10 posted on 10/10/2007 6:30:14 AM PDT by bobjam
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To: joe fonebone
My top 3 choices are Hunter, Thompson and Romney. They could combine in any way, and I'd be OK.

I'd be very unhappy if Giuliani or McCain became the nominee.

11 posted on 10/10/2007 6:33:00 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: meandog
Ranking the GOP contenders (Hunter at bottom)

Of course. He's the most rational person up there. We wouldn't want a pro-America, close-the-borders guy in the White House would we? Tancredo suggested helping Michigan's unemployment problem by reigning in the illegals. So he has to be at the bottom too. This is how America is destroyed.
12 posted on 10/10/2007 6:33:07 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
I notice that NONE of those commitments address the 2nd Amendment.
13 posted on 10/10/2007 6:33:21 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Keith
We have such a corrupt political system.

The money brokers, power people, the MSM are beginning the marginalization of the so called “2nd tier candidates”.

Makes me ill.

14 posted on 10/10/2007 6:33:21 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Keith

I think a Mitt Romney/Huckabee or Hunter ticket would work just fine.

Rudy grates on me and his positions are too liberal.


15 posted on 10/10/2007 6:33:29 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: joe fonebone
mitt pledging to consult attorneys FIRST before using the Military to defend our security ended his candidacy last night. No rootie or mitt... ever.

LLS

16 posted on 10/10/2007 6:38:17 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Just another Joe

One of the two reasons that I will NEVER vote for rootie.

LLS


17 posted on 10/10/2007 6:39:28 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Just another Joe

Neither did the 1994 Contract with America...


18 posted on 10/10/2007 6:42:53 AM PDT by jonathanmo (No tag available at this time.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Exactly. They know Hunter is the perfect counter to the anti-Christess, Hillary.

We play into the medias hands because the MSM know we are not jazzed about any in the top tier.

So put the best at the bottom.


19 posted on 10/10/2007 6:43:22 AM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: meandog

It’s really a two man race at this point. Maybe a three man race.


20 posted on 10/10/2007 6:44:04 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: ClearCase_guy

i will NEVER vote for mcpain.......


21 posted on 10/10/2007 6:44:23 AM PDT by joe fonebone (When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout)
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To: meandog

NYC based MSNBC favors the NYC liberal....

Last night was a romney in the lead with Guilain fighting him.

Thompson moving solidly into the front row.

Ronpaul showing he should be in the silly party of monty python. Enough already, kick him out he is a fake candidate.

The rest of the red tie squad (because that is what they wore) should just get out of the race and stop wasting our time.

Hillary is counting votes why we are counting candidates.


22 posted on 10/10/2007 6:45:08 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: bobjam
Get ready for a New York vs a New Yorker.

In such a case, I will probably hold my nose and vote for Giuliani, if only because he will not push socialized medicine and would be better on defense.

23 posted on 10/10/2007 6:46:00 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: ClearCase_guy
You have correctly identified the problem. I mentioned this to my husband last night when discussing Thompson (who he had thought he'd really like to get on board for--until he was faced with the many facts as to why Thompson is not particularly conservative.)

I believe that many people, like my husband so dearly wish for a true conservative, they are willing to lay that mantra on Thompson, until shown the facts of his weak conservative positions.

There are far more conservative candidates and even ones who are telegenic and engaging but our media, FNC included, won't sign on to them, at least not willingly.

Hopefully it will be the actual voters who show the truth to fiction spouted by the media elites.

24 posted on 10/10/2007 6:46:24 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: pissant; WalterSkinner; Ultra Sonic 007; Calpernia

Hunter ping


25 posted on 10/10/2007 6:47:06 AM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Hunter is at the bottom at least in part because the media wants him there.

And the other part is the GOP establishment.

Why anyone would take this rating by the enemedia seriously, is beyond me.

26 posted on 10/10/2007 6:47:18 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: jonathanmo
Neither did the 1994 Contract with America...

And that got us what?
Unless a politician signs something in blood, I'll believe it when I see it.

27 posted on 10/10/2007 6:47:58 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: meandog
Hunter certainly looked good last night, and that's coming from someone who thought Hunter has been flat and repetitive in all the previous debates. I loved the last line of his "fleeting target" answer, where he said it was (paraphrasing) "a responsibility the President will have to take on his shoulders."

Whether that translates into support is still unclear, but I'm at least willing to wait and see if a bump materializes before writing him off. Not terribly likely, but I think he gave more Republicans reason to vote for him last night than Paul or Huckabee did.

Yes, "National Journal", it does seem silly to say Fred needs a "re-launch" after only a month. I think this guy, and the media in general, are in Fred denial. They haven't been impressed with Fred's performance, so they believe the voters haven't been either. The polls and the money suggests otherwise, however. See where he is in another month before you say he needs a relaunch. That is, unless you like eating crow.

One kernel of truth here, "[D]on't write off Paul's supporters as simply angry anti-U.N. black helicopter types. There's been anger from the GOP's less-government libertarian wing for some time, and Paul may be becoming the protest vehicle for those folks." I think there still are Paul supporters that are mainly protesting against the nanny-state, big-spending party the GOP has become, but are still uncomfortable with his kookier views, particularly on foreign policy. I actually think he was a loser last night because, if anything, he made it less comfortable for these supporters to stay on board by his goldbuggery, complaints about the "wealth gap", and his constant mentioning of the war.

The article goes on to say, "It'll be interesting to see which of the front-runners actually 'gets it' and tries to co-opt some of Paul's supporters." I think a candidate who comes out with a hard-line small-government but pro-defense message can benefit from a defection by the less committed (or committable) Paul supporters. Fred can certainly be this candidate if he can clearly and forcefully articulate that his "first principles" would, in a Thompson Administration, include a strong push for a drastic reduction in the size, scope, intrusiveness, and expense of the federal government.

Indeed, Fred's ability to put forth a clear-cut, common sense message that connects with voters from across the conservative movement will likely be the test of his campaign.
28 posted on 10/10/2007 6:49:03 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.... Valor.)
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To: indylindy

Have a look-see at what CNN has to say about Duncan (after last night’s debate):

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1669812_1669813_1669827,00.html

I didn’t catch the whole debate, but how in the world do these @sshats come the this conclusion?


29 posted on 10/10/2007 6:49:28 AM PDT by RedCell (Honor thy Father (9/6/07) - Semper Fi)
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To: meandog

Well it is PMSNBC.


30 posted on 10/10/2007 6:51:44 AM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: meandog

Hunter is still on the top on my list.


31 posted on 10/10/2007 6:54:13 AM PDT by jer33 3
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To: zerosix
I believe that many people, like my husband so dearly wish for a true conservative...

We have ONE running. Check him out!

Core Principles

History

32 posted on 10/10/2007 6:55:50 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: RedCell

Mark Halperin is a turd sandwich.


33 posted on 10/10/2007 6:56:39 AM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: meandog

“If anyone is in need of a re-launch, it’s Thompson.”

Oh, no! And with only 13 months to go, LOL! What a bunch of hogwash.

Thompson/Hunter or vice versa, works for me for now. I’ll never vote for: The Beast, Obama, McCain, Romney or Guilliani, no matter how amusing it would be to hear Sean Hannity say President “Gee-oo-li-annie” every day for four years. *SNORT*


34 posted on 10/10/2007 6:58:19 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: RedCell

They do not want him to catch fire and will do all they can to get him out.

If CNN rates him bad, he must be the one that would really worry them.

Imagine, these are the same people that think that cackling, lying shrew nutcracker Hillary, actually is qualified to be POTUS.


35 posted on 10/10/2007 6:58:27 AM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: meandog

I really like Duncan Hunter. Those who watched — how do you think he did? I did not see the debates.


36 posted on 10/10/2007 6:58:31 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"Hunter is at the bottom at least in part because the media wants him there."

So true! So sad. He IS the Conservative that says it like it is...the true "cowboy" John Wayne kinda GUY...strong and able to protect the American people.

The media certainly wouldn't want a guy to really be a guy. You wouldn't want a politician who really doesn't negotiate with terrorists (even if they're in his own Country). You wouldn't want a leader who would tell the UN to shove it if it were a matter of us or them. You wouldn't want a MAN as the Commander in Chief.

37 posted on 10/10/2007 6:59:29 AM PDT by NordP (If illegal alien = "undocumented immigrant" then drug dealer = "unlicensed pharmacist")
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To: RedCell
how in the world do these @sshats come the this conclusion?

They simply MUST come to this conclusion or they would have to report on him favorably and that simply would not do.

38 posted on 10/10/2007 7:02:35 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: bboop
I watched and he did VERY well each time he was asked a question.

The problem remains that when you're annointed with being the "second tier," questions only come at you once in a while.

Even with that problem, Hunter spoke well and was concise. He has content and timing down.

The media doesn't want someone of his confidence level to be on top....He's not your typical "politician."

39 posted on 10/10/2007 7:04:53 AM PDT by NordP (If illegal alien = "undocumented immigrant" then drug dealer = "unlicensed pharmacist")
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To: longtermmemmory

>>>Ronpaul showing he should be in the silly party of monty python.

Hey! I like Monty Python!


40 posted on 10/10/2007 7:07:13 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Just A Nobody

LOL!

Tagline bump!


41 posted on 10/10/2007 7:08:42 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Yeah, it really bothers me that he pronounces Rudy's last name so badly. How hard IS it to say Jewel-ee-on-ee???

I think we have a great group to choose from--especially after seeing the debate last night. (with the definite exception of RP!!!)

42 posted on 10/10/2007 7:09:18 AM PDT by NordP (If illegal alien = "undocumented immigrant" then drug dealer = "unlicensed pharmacist")
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To: Calpernia

you’re right...he should be in the EXTREMELY Silly Party...


43 posted on 10/10/2007 7:10:05 AM PDT by Keith (ANY REPUBLICAN in 2008 -- it's about defeating Mrs. Bill Clinton)
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To: meandog
I'm sorry, but to me there there is just a certain air of unreality to a Giuliani candidacy.

To take just one example, I have a hard time imagining the actual mechanics of a Giuliani nomination.

Would the existing party's leaders alter it's planks on issues like abortion and stem-cell research, or would a convention dominated by Giuliani supporters rewrite the party platform on such issues, or would he take the stage to accept the nomination promising to campaign against the party platform or to to promise somehow split the difference ("I support the right to choose, but I promise to appoint Justices who support the right to life")?

Would there be a Republican party, as we understand it, left standing afterwards?

It's just very, very hard for me to comprehend how this would work.

44 posted on 10/10/2007 7:11:38 AM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (Opinion based on research by an eyewear firm, which surveyed 100 members of a speed dating club.)
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To: bboop

Here you go:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1909042/posts
Duncan Hunter—Dearborn, Michigan Debate


45 posted on 10/10/2007 7:12:19 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

There’s not 13 months left...primaries start up in January... Thompson can’t rely on the “not Rudy” vote, he has to actually acquire voters on HIS merits as well...


46 posted on 10/10/2007 7:14:06 AM PDT by jonathanmo (No tag available at this time.)
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To: bboop
Watch Hunter's entire 6 minute face time in the two hour "debate" here:

Duncan Hunter, Dearborn, MI Debate, 10-09-07

You can hear Hissy hissing in the background on one of the questions trying to get him to shut up. Meanwhile, during a "30 second" round they allowed Paul to rant for close to a minute and a half.

47 posted on 10/10/2007 7:14:36 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: meandog

Fred Thompson Former Tennessee senator Last Ranking: 2 If anyone is in need of a re-launch, it’s Thompson.

LOL I just love spin....Mitt who has spent a fortune to lead in Iowa might be the one in need of a relaunch, since he is behind Fred here.

Laughing with the glee.


48 posted on 10/10/2007 7:18:01 AM PDT by donnab (saving liberals brains....one moron at a time.)
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To: Calpernia

LOL! Glad you like it. ;*)


49 posted on 10/10/2007 7:19:00 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: meandog
Report on Hunter: "No reason to rank him anymore" (BARF)

It's true. He literally repeated the same information about China three times in the debate yesterday, nearly verbatim. Not only that, but he told the same store about only being able to find a single American contractor for a defense item that he told in another one of the debates. He also looked stiff and irrelevant, though not as irrelevant as Tancredo or Brownback. All three of them should drop out of the race immediately. They have all failed to gain any traction.

50 posted on 10/10/2007 7:19:47 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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