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The Same God?
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=22748 ^ | Cal Thomas

Posted on 10/10/2007 6:22:49 AM PDT by Finally Awake

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1 posted on 10/10/2007 6:22:50 AM PDT by Finally Awake
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To: Finally Awake

This is stupid. Arabic-speaking Christians pray to “Allah” which means God in Arabic. Muslims are mistaken about certain attributes of God, but correct about others; when they pray to the Creator of the Universe under the name of “Allah”, He doesn’t fail to notice.

Jews don’t believe Jesus was God either. Is the author saying Jews don’t worship the same God Christians do, because they don’t have a perfect set of theological doctrines?

What about those Christians who fail to agree with him on every point of theology? Does he worship the same God they do?

Yes, Islam is radically different from Christianity; but a failure to understand God pefectly is not the same thing as a failure to IDENTIFY him. They address the same Person Abraham addressed; He may well regard their worship as misguided, imperfect, or degraded, but it’s not like they’re worshipping Baal or Satan!


2 posted on 10/10/2007 6:37:44 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Finally Awake
"He has frequently said that terrorists are not real Muslims, anymore than people who proclaim to be Christian and engage in violence are genuine Christians."

Well Bush is WRONG. Terrorists are very devout Muslims. Bush just can't seen to understand that, because he has never studied what Islam is, and what it teaches.

"I believe in an almighty God, and I believe that all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God.”

It may be what you believe, Bush, but again you are WRONG. "allah" the name of the Islamic god (ilah) is the exact opposite of the Christian God, Yahweh, who is a loving God.

Allah hates, and especially hates God's chosen people. Muslims believe it's Allah's command that they kill them wherever they find them.

Allah is Satan. Only Satan would want to destroy God's children.

3 posted on 10/10/2007 6:40:19 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
Allah is Satan. Only Satan would want to destroy God's children.

Agree 100%.

4 posted on 10/10/2007 6:42:48 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: Finally Awake
I usually respect Cal but this article is one long straw-man:  he's arguing doctrine, which the President (for whom I have no respect left) didn't address.
5 posted on 10/10/2007 6:43:52 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam is a clown car with guns.)
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To: VeritatisSplendor

Allah does not mean “God” in Arabic.
the arabic word for “God” is lah.

The koran tells you 52 times that Allah is his name, not that Allah means “God”.


6 posted on 10/10/2007 6:43:55 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: VeritatisSplendor

Allah does not mean “God” in Arabic.
the arabic word for “God” is ilah.

The koran tells you 52 times that Allah is his name, not that Allah means “God”.


7 posted on 10/10/2007 6:44:12 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Finally Awake

Spot on article - President Bush is treading on dangerous ground here and needs to be firmly rebuked by Christians in this matter.

HE may pray to the same god of the muzzies, but I certainly don’t.


8 posted on 10/10/2007 6:46:35 AM PDT by HanneyBean
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To: VeritatisSplendor
And now I can say with Cal Thomas, you are wrong...dangerously wrong.

Muslims worship a false god they call "allah" (it does not transliterate into a generic term meaning "god).

Jews do not worship the same god because their god has no incarnate son.

The rest of your questions are strawmen.

9 posted on 10/10/2007 6:46:50 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: VeritatisSplendor

Even satan believes in in the same God. While I agree with you, it sounds like the author subscribes to the belief that islam is derived from the moon-god cult of the middle east.


10 posted on 10/10/2007 6:47:01 AM PDT by Armando Guerra
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To: VeritatisSplendor

Great post...

I agree completely ...


11 posted on 10/10/2007 6:50:01 AM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: VeritatisSplendor

The Qur’an, Traditions [hadiths] and Islamic law prove that ALLAH ‘THE GOD’ is NOT the ultimate, almighty GOD ‘YAHWEH, JEHOVAH, THE LORD’ as meant in the Bible. The word “ALLAH” THE GOD is a contraction of “Al-ilah,” ‘al’ meaning “the” and “ilah” meaning ‘god.’

GOD in the ultimate sense in Arabic is ILAH.

The first pillar of faith in Islam contradicts this claim when it says: “There is no ILAH but ALLAH.” [Arabic: la ilaha illa-la] If “Allah” were the Arabic word for God it would be: “There is no ALLAH but ALLAH.” Allah is exclusively an Arabic term, and it can only be translated as ‘THE GOD’.

2:163 And your ILAH [GOD] is One ILAH [GOD].
3:62 There is no ILAH [GOD] except ALLAH.
5:73 But there is no ILAH [GOD] but One ILAH [GOD].
9:31 ‘The Jews and Christians were commanded in the Tawrat [Torah] and the Injeel [Gospel] to worship none but One ILAH [GOD] LA ILAHA ILLA HUWA [none has the right to be worshipped but He].
20:8 ALLAH! There is no ILAH [GOD] save Him.
20:14 Verily, I am ALLAH. No ILAH [GOD] may be worshiped but I.
20:97 Your ILAH [GOD] is ALLAH: there is no ILAH [GOD] but He.
52:43 Have they an ILAH [GOD] other than ALLAH?
59:22 ALLAH is He, no other ILAH [GOD] may be worshiped.
2:132 The Qur’an uses ‘ILAH’ when Allah claims to be the God of Abraham.

With his dying breath, Muhammad cursed the Jews and Christians, and warned the Muslims to beware of the curses of the oppressed People of the Book.
The Jews and Christians are banished from Arabia, to this day.
“When Allah’s Apostle became seriously sick, he started covering his face with a woolen sheet. When he felt short of breath, he removed it, and said, ‘That is so! Allah’s curse be on Jews and Christians!’”
Bukhari: Volume 5, Book 59, Number 727

So the very Koran proves that allah is not ilah.


12 posted on 10/10/2007 6:50:13 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
Jews do not worship the same god because their god has no incarnate son.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

13 posted on 10/10/2007 6:50:55 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: VeritatisSplendor
You obviously haven't studied Islam either. If you did you'd know "allah' is not god. he's the exact opposite.

Muslims are mistaken about certain attributes of God, but correct about others; when they pray to the Creator of the Universe under the name of “Allah”,

even a broken clock is right twice a day.

lot's of "god's" worshipped by other cults/religions are creators of the universe.

Islam is nothing but the delusions of a sadistic, mass murdering pedophile and bandit named Mohammad, who incorporated a lot of Jewish and christian fables he knew at the time into his religion in order to make it sound legit.

Most of Islam however is the same rock idol worship of pagan arabs before Mohammad came on the scene. In fact many of the Islamic rituals remain unchanged from Mohammads rock worshipping days.

The true creator of Islam was actually Mohammads great grandfather, who brought "allah" (a black hunk of meteor) home from one of his journys to egypt and added the allah rock to the other rock idols in the Ka'aba. The Ka'ba itself was nothing but a pile of rocks around a watering hole, which he purchaced from another tribe for a lute of wine and a whistle.

14 posted on 10/10/2007 6:55:27 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: HanneyBean
HE may pray to the same god of the muzzies, but I certainly don’t.

So you don't worship or pray to the G-d of Abraham?

so who's your choice?
Vishnu?
Thor?
Xenu?
Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Baal?

15 posted on 10/10/2007 6:55:34 AM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: AppyPappy

My God can kick Allah’s butt.


16 posted on 10/10/2007 6:56:14 AM PDT by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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To: Armando Guerra
"it sounds like the author subscribes to the belief that islam is derived from the moon-god cult of the middle east."

it is.

17 posted on 10/10/2007 6:57:50 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: taxcontrol
Thanks. I'm sick and tired of having to post the same sort of thing all the time for those who think allah means god.

The whole Islam cult is from the pagan rock idol cult which Mohammad himself and his tribe belonged.

In fact, when Mohammad recieved his first torturous visit from Satan (disguised as an angel of light) he was preforming his rock idol worshiping rituals in his favorite cave for doing just that.

Mohammad had the right idea at first. He thought he had become possesed by satan, and tried to commit suicide. Too bad he didn't.

18 posted on 10/10/2007 7:03:21 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Finally Awake
I like to use the site, Answering Islam.

I am not associated with the site in any way, but I have often found this to be a somewhat useful reference and I am just passing that information along.

19 posted on 10/10/2007 7:04:52 AM PDT by TexGuy
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
"Jews do not worship the same god because their god has no incarnate son."

Sorry, but you're dead wrong. Jesus is the son of God, whether Jews want to believe it or not. Jesus is the anointed one sent as promised to complete the covenant which was began at Mt. Sinai. Christians are really just Jews who accepted this fact and through baptism in the blood of the Lamb mark the flesh in his name and are "born again" accepting the new Covenant of Christ which releases us from the old law, which traps everyone in sin.

20 posted on 10/10/2007 7:12:35 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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