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Hume, Father of Postmodernism and Anti-rationalism—Part 1
The Autonomist ^ | 10/10/07 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 10/10/2007 8:12:38 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

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To: Hank Kerchief

Another untempered selective hit piece on Hume without any sense of perspective. Hume’s salient characteristic is no more “little confused fuzzy pictures” than America’s is slavery. Hume’s major effect, as evidenced by college philosophy curricula throughout the West for decades, is to further pull metaphysics out of Dark Age mysticism and into the realm of rational analysis. Someone needs to tell this author that Ayn Rand wasn’t born until after Hume died.

This author has a personality trait of Rand that is shared by many of the more suggestible Oists. With them it is never “X was wrong about Y because...”, but rather, “The monstrous X was deceitful or ignorant of the absurd Y which is the origin of all evil in the world...” It leaves one wondering if “Histrionicists” isn’t a better term for them.

This piece does at least give a reasonably concise summary of how Rand’s metaphysics differs from Hume’s, though I might have worded some things differently.


21 posted on 10/10/2007 9:29:16 AM PDT by beavus (People are rational in the mundane. Irrationality is left for what matters most.)
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To: Borges

My comments were not to imply Berkley was not important. I do not quite understand this:

“Berkley was the first philosopher to make the claim that language can be used for a variety of things besides describing things.”

I cannot believe you mean by this what it seems to mean. When was it ever not known that language is used for many things besides “describing thing.” Anyone familiar with Aristotle’s epistemology would know that a large part of it is describing the different uses of language, of which “describing things” was just one of many.

Perhaps I’ve misunderstood what you intended.

Hank


22 posted on 10/10/2007 9:37:12 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
For this reason, postmodernism is highly skeptical of explanations which claim to be valid for all groups, cultures, traditions, or races, and instead focuses on the relative truths of each person.

Sounds familiar. Teach the controversy.

23 posted on 10/10/2007 9:40:22 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Hank Kerchief

Put me on the philosophy list please. Thanks.

Hume also influenced Kant to give up his Rationalist ways, or as Kant said, to wake up from his dogmatic sleep. Kant perhaps was the greater influence on what eventually leads up to postmodernist thought.


24 posted on 10/10/2007 9:59:13 AM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: PeterPrinciple
Words used to have very clear meanings.

Not really. Language is constantly in flux and words are a nomenclature.
25 posted on 10/10/2007 10:03:54 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Hank Kerchief

I knew Brit was an older gentleman, but wow....(chuckle)

He’s really holding up well.


26 posted on 10/10/2007 10:05:09 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: litehaus

Paul Feuerabend — “the Norman Mailer of philosophy”.


27 posted on 10/10/2007 10:06:51 AM PDT by RightWhale (50 years later we're still sitting on the ground)
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To: beavus

You must be commenting on a different article. This one never implies, “Hume’s salient characteristic is no more “little confused fuzzy pictures”. Maybe you didn’t notice this is part 1 of a 4 part article.

Where did you get, “This piece does at least give a reasonably concise summary of how Rand’s metaphysics ...”

Rand’s metaphysics?

Rand never wrote metaphysics.

In all her writing, the word only shows up about 25 times. In almost every case it’s in reference to what she regards as a wrong or mistaken metaphysics. Here is all she ever wrote about metaphysics [quoted from her works]:


Metaphysics: Existence exists—A is A.

... the fifth branch of philosophy, the basic one, the fundamental of the science of fundamentals: metaphysics?

In metaphysics, this meant a fundamental change in emphasis: from God to this world, the world of particulars in which men live, the realm of nature.

These answers are the province of metaphysics—the study of existence as such or, in Aristotle’s words, of “being qua being”—the basic branch of philosophy.

In philosophy, the fundamentals are metaphysics and epistemology. On the basis of a knowable universe and of a rational faculty’s competence to grasp it, you can define man’s proper ethics, politics and esthetics.

The essentials are: in metaphysics, the Law of Identity—in epistemology, the supremacy of reason—in ethics, rational egoism—in politics, individual rights (i.e., capitalism)—in esthetics, metaphysical values.


Her entire explicit metaphysic can be summed up as, “existence exists, and A is A (the law of identity)” which means only that there is an objectivie existence independent of consciousness.

One of my major criticisms of Objectivism is that it has no thoroughgoing metaphysics, and no ontology at all.

By the way the author is not an Objectivist and does not promote Objectivism—especially as it is held and practiced by those who do call themselves Objectivists today.

Hank


28 posted on 10/10/2007 11:03:30 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Blind Eye Jones

You are on the list.

“Hume also influenced Kant to give up his Rationalist ways, or as Kant said, to wake up from his dogmatic sleep.” Yes, that’s what Kant said, but he was a subjectivist and his philosophy is filled with philosophical rationalism.

Kant perhaps was the greater influence on what eventually leads up to postmodernist thought.

Yes. Please see the previous article in this series.

“The Roots of Revolution”
http://theautonomist.com/aaphp/revolution/revolution6.html


29 posted on 10/10/2007 11:14:35 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief

“By the way the author is not an Objectivist and does not promote Objectivism”

For him to deny Hume’s positive impact on the evolution of “his” philosophy is ignorant. To deny Rand’s is just laughable. He can call himself what he wants, but he is Objectivist in ideas, tone, and even word choice.

I suppose his next article will be a similar hit piece on Rand. For completion’s sake, he can afterwards write a hit piece on himself.


30 posted on 10/10/2007 11:26:46 AM PDT by beavus (People are rational in the mundane. Irrationality is left for what matters most.)
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To: Hank Kerchief
Hume's absurdly primitive epistemology made clear reason nearly impossible. All the rest of his philosophy is the result of this corrupt foundation.

It seems clear to me that Hume was what we now call a liberal. Perhaps he was the father of liberalism.

Hume's "philosophy" is literally the very opposite of learning. How ironic that it finds its most enthusiastic adherents within the walls of institutions of "higher learning".

31 posted on 10/10/2007 11:34:36 AM PDT by TChris (Cartels (oil, diamonds, labor) are bad. Free-market competition is good.)
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To: Borges

Words used to have very clear meanings.

Not really. Language is constantly in flux and words are a nomenclature.


So you don’t know what is is either?


32 posted on 10/10/2007 11:43:07 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: beavus
No need to wait:

Articles critical of Objectivism:

Beyond Objectivism—Introduction
Beyond Objectivism—Knowledge of Particulars
Beyond Objectivism—Measurement
Beyond Objectivism—Retaliation
Beyond Objectivism—About Force
Ayn Rand, Beauty, Love, and Tenderness

Articles critical of today's Objectivists:

An Atheist's Defence of Christianity
OINO's Paranoid Fear of Christians
OINO Death Wish
OINO True Believers: It is easier to believe than to think
Ayn Rand—Autonomist
Individualism—Not Objectivism
Saving The World

Sorry that you'll probably be disappointed they aren't what you call "hit" pieces.

Hank

33 posted on 10/10/2007 11:54:41 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: cornelis; Dumb_Ox

fyi


34 posted on 10/10/2007 12:01:13 PM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Red Herring Alert. Do you disagree with either of my points? The idea that the same text can have different meanings regardless of authorial intent is a longstanding hermeneutic truism.


35 posted on 10/10/2007 12:01:49 PM PDT by Borges
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To: TChris
It seems clear to me that Hume was what we now call a liberal. Perhaps he was the father of liberalism.

John Locke was the Father of Liberalism.
36 posted on 10/10/2007 12:03:27 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges
John Locke was the Father of Liberalism.

I haven't studied philosophy. What was Locke's deal?

37 posted on 10/10/2007 12:08:20 PM PDT by TChris (Cartels (oil, diamonds, labor) are bad. Free-market competition is good.)
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To: TChris
Locke postulated that the human mind is a Tabula Rasa (blank slate) that has nothing innate and which is entirely formed by physical and psychological stimuli. Draw a straight line from that to Marx's ideas about the human being a product of socio-economic conditions to a defense attorney claiming that his defendant can't be blamed for the crime since he was a 'product of his environment'.

This is rather a broad simplification but so is is the above hit piece on Hume Calling the Hume-Kant-Hegel influence anti-Western makes no sense since they are among the building blocks of modern Western Culture.
38 posted on 10/10/2007 12:14:24 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges; TChris

John Locke was the Father of Liberalism

Yes, but it was 19th century European liberalism, which much close to American Libertarianism than what is called liberalism today. Today’s liberalism is closer to socialism than Locke’s Liberalism.

Hank


39 posted on 10/10/2007 3:12:45 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
Locke’s ideas about the human consciousness being entirely determined by surroundings and external stimuli has nothing little to do with libertarianism. It's pure Materialism
40 posted on 10/10/2007 3:24:38 PM PDT by Borges
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