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Superferry sets off the battle of Kauai
Los Angeles Times ^ | October 9, 2007 | Tomas Alex Tizon

Posted on 10/10/2007 11:17:54 AM PDT by Lorianne

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1 posted on 10/10/2007 11:17:56 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

I am in full sympathy with the lady!


2 posted on 10/10/2007 11:21:59 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Lorianne
"See the natives. Watch us dance the hula. Clog up our roads. Buy up all the good land. And please, help yourselves to our beaches!"

"Our beaches"? Someone can't go to "your" beach?

3 posted on 10/10/2007 11:24:12 AM PDT by SIDENET (Stop Kim Jong-Hill in 2008)
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To: Lorianne

Well, if I can speak for all Alaskans - PLEASE come and visit, spend yur money (and then go home).

We could use the cash.

Since we are forbiden by the FedGov and the Greenies (via the FedGov courts) to do anything remotly related to development, we might as well pick up some extra tourist ucs.


4 posted on 10/10/2007 11:26:09 AM PDT by ASOC (Yeah, well, maybe - but can you *prove* it?)
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To: Lorianne
"“The ferry would be the best thing to ever happen to this island,” says one longtime resident of Kauai. “From what I’ve seen of the protesters, they’re like, ‘Now that I’m on this beautiful rock, let’s kick the ladder off so no one else can get on.’ ”"

He is right, there doesn't seem to be too many native Hawaiian people in the pictures.

5 posted on 10/10/2007 11:26:36 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Lorianne
I wonder how the folks will look at the money brought in by those nasty tourists? There are folks on the island who earn their bread and butter from tourism.

Look at it this way, the ferry brings them and takes them back. If folks find it easy to come visit, they may decide they DON'T want the expense of living there, and there may not be as big an explosion of construction of homes.

6 posted on 10/10/2007 11:27:37 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I am in full sympathy with the lady!

I'm not.

She's a socialist loser of the worst description.

7 posted on 10/10/2007 11:28:56 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Lorianne
Buy up all the good land.

Too bad federal laws prohibit Kauai natives from buying the land on their own. < /sarcasm level 11>

8 posted on 10/10/2007 11:30:05 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (May the heirs of Charles Martel and Jan Sobieski rise up again to defend Europe.)
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To: Lorianne

I’m guessing that most of the people arriving on Kauai are there legally.


9 posted on 10/10/2007 11:31:18 AM PDT by SmithL (I don't do Barf Alerts, you're old enough to read and decide for yourself)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

She’s awful!


10 posted on 10/10/2007 11:35:04 AM PDT by what's up
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I am in full sympathy with the lady!

Why? If she wants to control the development of land there, she can buy that land and keep it undeveloped. Unless she owns the land, it's not really up to her, nor should it be.

11 posted on 10/10/2007 11:37:34 AM PDT by xjcsa (Defenseless enemies are fun.)
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To: Kaiulani Huff

"Welcome to Disneyland," she says one day while driving around the island. "See the natives. Watch us dance the hula. Clog up our roads. Buy up all the good land. And please, help yourselves to our beaches!"

If you don't like it here you can go back to the Marquesas where you came from.

I am on Kauai a month year. Not too crowded now but it will be soon. I don't like that but without the tourists there will be abject poverty on the island. After all who would pay for the lava slow road workers to stand around 365 days a year?

They are not your beaches, every beach in the state is public.

And thanks for noticing I'm rich. I'm not much about vanity but I have to admit it is nice that people recognize I've been rewarded for my success. Especially when I am contributing to the economy, right?


12 posted on 10/10/2007 11:39:04 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: what's up
She’s awful!

Word.

Her island is extremely sparsely populated.

About 100 people per square mile.

My county is more like 1000 per square mile.

13 posted on 10/10/2007 11:40:02 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: SIDENET

Here’s the problem. Once upon a time I could get off after work, launch my little boat, go scoop up a nice batch of fresh oysters, make a few throws of my net and grab some fine shrimp, or mullet, pull my crab traps, and score some great blue crabs. Can’t do that, anymore. The water is full of jetskis, flabby New York refugees, and plastic bags. The beaches are backed up with concrete condos, no more rolling dunes. The beaches are locked down at dark, no more all night fishing, with family and friends and a campfire.
It is all about lifestyle, and values, vs money. I know we need money, but it isn’t everything.
The only lifestyle now visible isn’t much different than, at best, Coney Island, and, at worst, Fire Island, and heading downhill, fast.


14 posted on 10/10/2007 11:43:32 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: ASOC
Well, if I can speak for all Alaskans - PLEASE come and visit, spend yur money (and then go home).

I'm up for touring Alaska. Couldn't live there (no IT industry), but would love to come hunt and trek up there.

15 posted on 10/10/2007 11:43:45 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (False modesty is as great a sin as false pride.)
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To: ASOC
Well, if I can speak for all Alaskans - PLEASE come and visit, spend yur money (and then go home).

I'm up for touring Alaska. Couldn't live there (no IT industry), but would love to come hunt and trek up there.

If I want cold though, me and my wife will move back to her homeland.

16 posted on 10/10/2007 11:44:04 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (False modesty is as great a sin as false pride.)
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To: Abathar
there doesn't seem to be too many native Hawaiian people in the pictures.

Kaiulani Huff looks like a Kanaka to me.


17 posted on 10/10/2007 11:45:24 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: wideawake
She's selfish, plain and simple.

She wants to frolic in a natural wonderland of open spaces forever. So does everyone.

Too bad. If people want to sell their land to richer folks who then want to build, that's their prerogative.

Hawaii's full of selfish people who want the whole thing to themselves without paying anything.

18 posted on 10/10/2007 11:45:39 AM PDT by what's up
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I understand what you're saying, but for me it comes down to freedom. If the land there is for sale, someone has a right to buy it. Just because the locals there liked their setup doesn't give them the right to close the place down to outsiders and development.

If they had wanted the island to remain as it was, they should have bought the land up and sat on it.

19 posted on 10/10/2007 11:50:21 AM PDT by SIDENET (Stop Kim Jong-Hill in 2008)
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To: ASOC

Easy to see why they are inhibiting Alaska development,
wouldn’t want the place to fill up like New York now would we?
Why? I mean it’s so large ya could put in two maybe three Mall of the Americas and still have room for a McDonalds.


20 posted on 10/10/2007 11:52:29 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Lorianne

The opposition to the Superferry is not “local” opposition. Oh yes, you’ll see a token “hawaiian” for flavor in the news but this CAVE (Citizens Against Virtually Everything) action is not locally driven and Green financed.
The EAS study the CAVEs want is for the harbor addition/expansion, not for the users of the harbor. However, the Hawaii State Supreme Court has forced a Maui judge, by unanimous dccision, to require an EAS and that judged has said the Superferry cannot operate until the EAS is complete. This is the same Supreme Court, in a 2-3 decision, that the term “people of Kauai” in the Kauai Charter, does not mean the people but the elected council. Therefore, it is the County Council who has the last say on property taxes, not the people.
The democrat controlled legislature has been requested by the Republican governor to call a special session to settle the “law” in this case. However, the disfunctional legislature, unwilling to upset 5% of the population, has yet to act.


21 posted on 10/10/2007 11:55:12 AM PDT by caisson71
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To: Centurion2000

LOL

I guess ‘cold’ is a personal definition, we go sunbathing at 60F...

As far as IT jobs, I know of several folks who telecommute from the L48 to “work” here. No big business tho.

Come on up and enjoy, in the winter the skiing is super and with very few tourists.


22 posted on 10/10/2007 11:55:51 AM PDT by ASOC (Yeah, well, maybe - but can you *prove* it?)
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To: XeniaSt
She doesn’t look like it to me, I think she is only part Kanaka, part something else.
23 posted on 10/10/2007 11:58:34 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Lorianne

At first, I thought the article was about Richard Simmons running amok....


24 posted on 10/10/2007 12:01:11 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: SIDENET

I snagged 5 acres, 20 years ago. It shows on Google Earth as a rectangle of green in the middle of almost bare earth. From the air, you can’t even see the 2 homes on it. I still live in Florida, not on a golf course.


25 posted on 10/10/2007 12:02:08 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Lorianne

Sounds like those who recently found ‘paradise’ now want to pull up the draw bridge and fill in the moat.


26 posted on 10/10/2007 12:03:14 PM PDT by AU72
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To: Lorianne

Typical yuppies: They buy where they want then think no one else should be alllowed to move in.

We have that here in Colorado. People have bought in the foothills and thinks no one else should be allowed in.


27 posted on 10/10/2007 12:03:51 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: I see my hands
They are not your beaches, every beach in the state is public.

I stayed at a hotel in Hana, Maui that seemed to act as if a beautiful local beach was their property. While we were on the beach they had someone coming around to check that we were registered at the hotel. Apparently the hotel does own all the land surrounding the beach.

BTW one of the hotel workers told us that they had previously welcomed Hillary and Chelsea.

28 posted on 10/10/2007 12:05:52 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Abathar
She doesn’t look like it to me, I think she is only part Kanaka, part something else.

She looks like the girls I knew from Kamehameha Schools to me

29 posted on 10/10/2007 12:06:05 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Lorianne

Another depiction of the “we got ours, ef everyone else” type.


30 posted on 10/10/2007 12:08:50 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: wideawake

One thing about this island is the road system is so limited (and will remain limited) that cars from other islands will choak the island in a terrible manner.

The island has basically one small highway to connect all points. There are a few chords that serve small area but the interior can’t have a higway penetrate it due to the mountainous canyon filled rain forest that gets so much rain and the perimeter highway can’t be made into a full perimeter highway due to the NaPalli Cliffs on the NW side, a national treasure.

I spent two weeks there in the eighties and found it a paradise on earth.


31 posted on 10/10/2007 12:10:33 PM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: wideawake

Most people don’t realize that Kuaui gets 10,000,000 tourists a year.

I’ve been there 6 times....and the mountians prevent high populations, but the urban areas are just like anywhere else.

There is one road that circumvents the island...and at times the traffic is awful.


32 posted on 10/10/2007 12:10:58 PM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Lorianne

Sorry, I thought superfairy was John Edwards.

My bad.


33 posted on 10/10/2007 12:11:13 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (If you agree with Democrats you agree with America's enemies.)
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To: XeniaSt
I've been there a few times, but you sound like you know a lot more about it than I do.

how many natives live there vs. foreigners, do you know?

34 posted on 10/10/2007 12:14:09 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Lorianne

We lived in Hawaii. An extremely socialistic mindset. The natives desperately want haole dollars, and not only from tourists. Seemed that they counted on others in the workplace to do the hard work to provide tax dollars. If it was a good surf day, we didn’t expect a full staff. Natives complained that they were losing their culture (which they were, sadly), but it seems that was the tradeoff they were willing to make in exchange for the almighty dollar. Can’t have it both ways.

I love Hawaii and would return in a heartbeat if DH was so inclined — which he isn’t. It IS a stunningly beautiful place. The aesthetic changes HAVE been terrible from the ‘70s when I first visited until now; it IS way too crowded, industrialized, etc. Fie on the fat old men in their teeny-tiny Speedos! I miss the slower pace that used to be. But you can say that about almost any place in America. People call it “progress”; I’m not sure I agree. But we all have to suck it up.


35 posted on 10/10/2007 12:15:38 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: wideminded
There are no private beaches in Hawaii. All resort hotel beaches are public. If a private individual owns beach front property "his" beach is public. The island of Niihau is owned by one man and is a private island. Niihau's beaches are public.

36 posted on 10/10/2007 12:15:46 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: XeniaSt

I was referring to this picture when I first posted it, there are quite a few non-natives there I think.

37 posted on 10/10/2007 12:18:35 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: XeniaSt

The other picture is full of Ha’oles...


38 posted on 10/10/2007 12:24:35 PM PDT by dakine
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To: Halgr
My wife hails from an exotic island paradise in New Jersey known as Long Beach Island.

It gets probably more than 10 million discrete tourist trips per year.

It is 18 miles long and 0.5 miles wide, there is only one road from the mainland and there is only one road that goes from end to end of the island. Probably 3 of the 9 square miles are curfewed or private beaches.

In January it has a population of 8,000 and on summer weekends it has a population of about 125-150,000.

This crazy painted hag should count her blessings.

39 posted on 10/10/2007 12:26:05 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake; SWAMPSNIPER
Apparently, none of these luddites have ever been to Maine, or Bermuda. If you haven't got the dough, Joe, you can make it off the tourists and still keep your isl;and as pristine and pure as you wish, you merely have to figure out how.

I have to tell you, my favorite island is actually Miolokai, and every "native" I have met there is as dumb as box of rocks with a surly attitude on top of the no-smarts.

When the Hawaiian Isklands were first discovered, the Beach was Royal Property and woe betide any lowly commoner that wanted to hang around and surf. A commoner was not allowed to even look at a nobleman, but had to throw himself to the ground and lie there motionless until the august personage passed.

40 posted on 10/10/2007 12:27:24 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( Teddy K's 'Immigration Reform Act' of 1965. ˇGrácias, Borracho!)
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To: Eagle Eye

best response on this whole thread.


41 posted on 10/10/2007 12:35:25 PM PDT by steel_resolve (Think pitch forks.)
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To: Abathar
I've been there a few times, but you sound like you know a lot more about it than I do.

how many natives live there vs. foreigners, do you know?

34 posted on 10/10/2007 1:14:09 PM MDT by Abathar

I lived on the Big Island and Oahu,
visiting Kauai many times by ferry in the mid fifties
as my father was stationed there.

There were less than ten percent Hawaiians.
Lots of Japanese, Chinese, Filipinos, Portuguese and a third Haole.

I just looked at year 2000 demographics and it has not changed much.


42 posted on 10/10/2007 12:36:07 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Joe Boucher

LOL

You could put 2 Texas in here and still have room left over.

‘Cept in Texas, they get to drill for oil......

The out-of-State Greenies (not a term of endearment) do everything they can to lock this place up - some even describe it as a ‘park’.

I just want for me, my kids and grandkids to be able to make a decent living.

Hell, the Greenines just sued to stop a crummy little strip mine across the inlet from here.

Anti - (http://www.akcenter.org/programs/publiclands/chuitna_mine.html)

(Pro - I would love to post a pro link, but I cannot find one)


43 posted on 10/10/2007 12:40:05 PM PDT by ASOC (Yeah, well, maybe - but can you *prove* it?)
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To: wideminded
"BTW one of the hotel workers told us that they had previously welcomed Hillary and Chelsea."

I would have checked out immediately!

44 posted on 10/10/2007 12:41:54 PM PDT by jackibutterfly
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I am in full sympathy with the lady!

She's a NIMBY of the worse sort. She picked an attractive part of the universe to live on, and then gripes when people notice.

If she want's privacy, there are some "new ghost towns" in West Texas that would do.

45 posted on 10/10/2007 12:44:11 PM PDT by narby
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To: dakine
The other picture is full of Ha’oles...

Not all

I see buddaheads and portgeese and others


46 posted on 10/10/2007 12:48:59 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Once upon a time I could get off after work, launch my little boat, go scoop up a nice batch of fresh oysters, make a few throws of my net and grab some fine shrimp, or mullet, pull my crab traps, and score some great blue crabs. Can’t do that, anymore.

Count yourself lucky that you have the memory. I don't and obviously never will.

If Hawaii was not filled with tourists, it would be just like thousands of other deserted and poor islands across the South Pacific. Your options are an island home with a job and tourists, or an island home without a job and no tourists. Pick one.

47 posted on 10/10/2007 12:51:55 PM PDT by narby
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To: Lorianne

Why do people who may own a small property think they own ALL the property and the land? If you want privacy buy 10, 20, 50 acres and you’ll have your privacy.


48 posted on 10/10/2007 12:52:30 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Joe Boucher
Easy to see why they are inhibiting Alaska development,

Jimma Carter locked up Alaska in payoff to the environazis.

49 posted on 10/10/2007 12:54:15 PM PDT by narby
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To: 1Old Pro

“Why do people who may own a small property think they own ALL the property and the land? If you want privacy buy 10, 20, 50 acres and you’ll have your privacy”.-—


Doesn’t work that way, what you end up with is “neighbors” telling you how to live on your land, and a big tax bill, to pay for all the crap they want. I really don’t want to hear how anyone did things up north, ever again.


50 posted on 10/10/2007 1:07:02 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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