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College Bargain Basement Standards
Campus Report ^ | October 10, 2007 | Malcolm Kline

Posted on 10/10/2007 1:48:25 PM PDT by bs9021

College Bargain Basement Standards

by: Malcolm A. Kline, October 10, 2007

When you pay dearly for a room at a luxury hotel or a meal at a five-star restaurant, the price tag may sting but at least you can see, feel, taste, touch and smell what you are getting. The same is not the case in higher education.

“We don’t have answers to parents who ask us if spending one-third of their income on a college education is worth it,” Sarah Martinez Tucker of the U. S. Department of Education said last month at the American Enterprise Institute. Statistics from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development show that the U. S. ranks:

• First in government spending on education;

• 18th in high school graduation rates;

• 10th among countries in 25-35 year-olds who have college degrees; and

• First among countries with 55-65 year-olds who have college degrees.

“This is the first generation in our history that isn’t doing as well as the last,” Tucker, the former CEO of the Hispanic Scholarship Fund, observes. Nor, as we have seen, does the problem seem to be a niggardly federal government.

“In the last decade we have tripled aid,” Tucker said at AEI. “We have 55 percent more students and are giving three times as much aid.”

(Excerpt) Read more at campusreportonline.net ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: accredition; education; proficiency; waste

1 posted on 10/10/2007 1:48:27 PM PDT by bs9021
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To: bs9021

We should tripple spending on _____________________.

That will bring costs down.


2 posted on 10/10/2007 1:50:27 PM PDT by Leisler (Sugar, the gateway to diabetes, misery and death. Stop Sugar Deaths NOW!)
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To: bs9021

The cost to send a student to a private college equates to a $250 / night hotel for two semesters. It is out of control and people need to start talking about it.


3 posted on 10/10/2007 1:51:27 PM PDT by AdaGray
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To: Leisler

LMBO!!


4 posted on 10/10/2007 1:54:13 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: bs9021

When hiring, I look primarily to see if a graduate worked while in school. I give greater credence to candidates who worked their way through college as opposed to getting a free ride from mom and dad.

I consider work experience to be far greater an asset than the “pedigree” of the school they attended.


5 posted on 10/10/2007 1:54:21 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Slapshot68

I agree.


6 posted on 10/10/2007 1:55:19 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: AdaGray

You can’t compare going to college to spending nights in a five-star hotel.

I mean, five-star hotels don’t make you listen to some bitter ex-hippies drone on about how they hate the United States. Please be more respectful of the hotel business!

(Just joking around.)


7 posted on 10/10/2007 1:55:22 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: bs9021
“We don’t have answers to parents who ask us if spending one-third of their income on a college education is worth it”

Genetics being genetics, if the parents can’t figure this out without Government help, sending their children to college is probably not a good investment.

8 posted on 10/10/2007 2:02:15 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: Slapshot68
When hiring, I look primarily to see if a graduate worked while in school.

There is a world of difference between a college student who has worked through school and one who has not.

9 posted on 10/10/2007 2:03:06 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering '09 * Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat * Fred in 2008)
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To: Slapshot68
When hiring, I look primarily to see if a graduate worked while in school. I give greater credence to candidates who worked their way through college as opposed to getting a free ride from mom and dad.

My kid went to college on a merit scholarship. He did work a very part-time job (16 or less hours per week), but in order to maintain his scholarship he had to keep a high GPA. It's hard to juggle 18 credit hours, a job, and maintain a high GPA. So our advice to him was if the job interfers with the education, quit the job (he was able to maintain the GPA with the low work hours)...the education was the primary goal at this point in his life. And it paid off in the end because his high GPA and GMAT scores are allowing him to attend grad school, tuition free.

10 posted on 10/10/2007 2:09:42 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: Slapshot68; rabscuttle385
I always got my best grades in college in the semesters I had a part-time job. It made me manage my time. Without it, I found it far too easy to loaf and watch sitcoms instead of studying.

If there had been a World Wide Web in those days, I'm not sure I would have graduated.

-ccm

11 posted on 10/10/2007 2:11:47 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: rabscuttle385; Slapshot68
Out of curiousity....

What about a college student that didn't work while at school, but worked vacations + summers.

That's what I did. Got a job co-ordinating conventions during the summer, and doing prep work for the next summer during winter break. Basically worked 80 hour weeks...didn't pick up the whole tab for college, picked up about 1/2-2/3 of it.

Over the short term, I should have gotten an internship - would have helped me find a job in my field faster. Long term....the summer position was invaluable, as it taught me how to work with people, how to work with people that I didn't particularly like, and how to work *for* customers (conventioners). Good stuff, all of it.

12 posted on 10/10/2007 2:13:51 PM PDT by wbill
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To: bs9021
First among countries with 55-65 year-olds who have college degrees.

That's rather misleading. This country is full of smart people who went to high school and college elsewhere, then came here to seek their fortune. It's not like our elders went to college in greater numbers than we in our 30's and 40's did, and certainly not more than kids do nowadays.

To the contrary, there are more people in college than ever before, including many who manifestly have no business being there.

-ccm

13 posted on 10/10/2007 2:14:53 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: AdaGray
I agree. Higher education costs reflect a cottage industry with little competition. The higher education establishment sees tuition growing at faster than the rate of inflation for many years.

A new approach is needed but I am not sure who will take the risk and provide startup capital. Everyone seems married to the current approach. Here are some ideas to reduce costs and improve quality:

- Commoditize the knowledge
- Unbundle services
- Use computing and communication technology to provide interaction
- Provide standardized outcomes assessments to ensure quality

14 posted on 10/10/2007 2:27:21 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: bs9021
Nor, as we have seen, does the problem seem to be a niggardly federal government.

HATE CRIME!

15 posted on 10/10/2007 2:31:11 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: AdaGray

Someone just did a study - that if you borrow for college, you only break even rather than going to work straight after high school. The loss of 4 years of work time, plus payment on debt, plus less bang for the buck in social security and higher taxes = break even.
That’s an average, of course. Doctors make a killing, and a profit. German polka majors lose big time.


16 posted on 10/10/2007 3:23:35 PM PDT by tbw2 (Science fiction with real science - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: AdaGray
It is out of control and people need to start talking about it.

There are only two kinds of votes that count on this topic: the government's and the public's wallet. As a conservative, I do not consider the former to be an option, but the latter...

17 posted on 10/10/2007 4:05:35 PM PDT by Seņor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To: bs9021

Why does the government give Harvard 300 million dollars a year? The endowment is in the billions.


18 posted on 10/10/2007 4:08:37 PM PDT by groanup (Why do the shrill and shrieking SQL's accuse us of shrieking shrilly?)
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To: bs9021
Too many students are enrolled in college now who are not academically prepared, and who will not graduate. It makes no sense to push "universal" college for everyone.

And going into debt for college; that's just crazy.

19 posted on 10/11/2007 6:57:57 AM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: ccmay
including many who manifestly have no business being there.

Ol' Slick said --All who want should be able to attend college

They are ATTENDING! Learning? Solly Cholly....

20 posted on 10/11/2007 7:10:25 AM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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