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Judge Suspends Key Bush Effort in Immigration
NY Times ^ | 10/11/07 | Julia Preston

Posted on 10/10/2007 8:24:07 PM PDT by RAY

"A federal judge in San Francisco ordered an indefinite delay yesterday of a central measure of the Bush administration’s new strategy to curb illegal immigration."

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; bush; imigration; immigrantlist; immigration; judge; nowthatsanexcerpt; spartansixdelta; suspends; tyrantsinblackrobes
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"What part of illegal does Stephan Breyer's brother Charles not understand?"
1 posted on 10/10/2007 8:24:10 PM PDT by RAY
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To: RAY

“If we fail to check the power of the judiciary, I predict that we will eventually live under judicial tyranny.” - Patrick Henry


2 posted on 10/10/2007 8:27:08 PM PDT by kc8ukw
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To: kc8ukw

Impeachment / Recall and other measures should start to be considered. This has gone too far.


3 posted on 10/10/2007 8:28:37 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Visit this thread 1-hour from now. In that time, an average of 416.6 more ILLEGALS will be in the US)
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To: RAY
“There is a strong likelihood that employers may simply fire employees who are unable to resolve the discrepancy within 90 days,” even if they are legal, he (Breyer) wrote.

This statement reeks of so much BS I'm going to have to go change clothes now.
4 posted on 10/10/2007 8:32:40 PM PDT by jonathanmo (No tag available at this time.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

B S Meter needed!


5 posted on 10/10/2007 8:45:34 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

“This has gone too far.”

No it’s going according to plan. You think Jorge really wanted this enforced?


6 posted on 10/10/2007 8:53:37 PM PDT by DemEater
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To: RAY
"Judge Breyer is the brother of Justice Stephen G. Breyer of the Supreme Court and was nominated by President Bill Clinton in 1997."

Beautiful, the Stainmaster gave us a 2-for-1 on liberal bozos to the judiciary, judges who do not know the meaning of respect for the LAW or the LEGISLATURE or the EXECUTIVE branch, a pair of judges who believe in making it up as they go from the bench so long as liberal interests are satisfied.
7 posted on 10/10/2007 8:56:47 PM PDT by Enchante (Democrat terror-fighting motto: "bleat, cheat, retreat, defeat while we suck on liberal teat")
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To: RAY

p.s. Is there any LEGAL person with a Social Security number who cannot obtain a Soc. Sec. card or other documentation with the number on it? Is there some form of validation that is beyond the capacity of LEGAL residents to supply within 90 days???????


8 posted on 10/10/2007 8:58:27 PM PDT by Enchante (Democrat terror-fighting motto: "bleat, cheat, retreat, defeat while we suck on liberal teat")
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To: RAY

Mr. Bush has tried as hard and authentically to enforce the border as Mr. Clinton tried during his first two weeks in office to cut taxes.

Mssrs. Bush, Breyer et al, I appeal this treachery to God.


9 posted on 10/10/2007 9:16:06 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Enchante

p.s. Is there any LEGAL person with a Social Security number who cannot obtain a Soc. Sec. card or other documentation with the number on it? Is there some form of validation that is beyond the capacity of LEGAL residents to supply within 90 days???????


My wife recently lost her SS card here in Houston. She took her birth certificate and her TX drivers license into a local SS office.

She had written verification of her SS number in about 20 minutes, and she had her new card in 8 days.


10 posted on 10/10/2007 9:16:34 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Countdown till everyone on FR including the mods see right through this and pull the thread entirely off of "Breaking News".

11 posted on 10/10/2007 9:31:54 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

: )


12 posted on 10/10/2007 9:43:11 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: RAY

It’s just what Bush ordered. You know he never intended to have any employers arrested nor any illegals deported.


13 posted on 10/10/2007 9:44:44 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (It*s time for "Tea Party II" This time we*ll meet at the border and toss Mexicans back over it.)
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To: NRA2BFree

But at least he can say he tried.


14 posted on 10/10/2007 9:56:35 PM PDT by esarlls3
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To: RAY
And that, dear George, is why we didn't trust "comprehensive immigration reform." Sure, you thought all the RAT giveaways were balanced by the strict enforcement provisions (such as they were), but we knew darned well that the Judiciary would "line-item veto" them, exactly like this judge did. Then all we'd be stuck with is an amnesty bill. Stay the %(*%^ away from Kennedy and Schumer, Mr. President, you are getting rolled.
15 posted on 10/10/2007 9:56:48 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: RAY

Yeah you’re right - legal citizenship is unconstitutional (It’s just spelled out in the constitution...)


16 posted on 10/10/2007 10:27:20 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; kc8ukw

I like both of your posts. Right on folks.

These judges need to get a dose of reality.


17 posted on 10/10/2007 10:51:39 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: Enchante

No. I had to replace mine about five years ago and it only took a couple of weeks, if that much.


18 posted on 10/10/2007 10:53:05 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Chertoff should be on this like flies on rice. There’s no excuse for acting as if “we don’t know what we can do about this.”

Come on, who is this guy kidding. He didn’t know this was a possibility and have his ducks in a row? Either this guy is the consummate buffoon or he’s lying.

19 posted on 10/10/2007 10:58:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: DoughtyOne
Either this guy is the consummate buffoon or he’s lying.

In Chertoff's case that's a real close call.

20 posted on 10/10/2007 11:06:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (Hillary can tap Hsus but she can't tuna fish.)
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To: TigersEye

Actually I think he’s quite capable. That is, when he wants to be.


21 posted on 10/10/2007 11:19:59 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: TigersEye

Actually I think he’s quite capable. That is, when he wants to be.


22 posted on 10/10/2007 11:20:12 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: Eric Blair 2084

LOL!


23 posted on 10/11/2007 12:40:31 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache (No One Gets To Their Heaven Without A Fight)
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To: RAY

bump for index


24 posted on 10/11/2007 1:12:17 AM PDT by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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To: RAY
If allowed to take effect, the judge found, the rule could lead to the firing of many thousands of legally authorized workers, resulting in “irreparable harm to innocent workers and employers.”

BULL !!!....

25 posted on 10/11/2007 1:33:16 AM PDT by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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To: RAY; politicallyincarrect; /\XABN584; 3D-JOY; 5Madman; <1/1,000,000th%; 11B3; 1Peter2:16; ...
If allowed to take effect, the judge found, the rule could lead to the firing of many thousands of legally authorized workers, resulting in “irreparable harm to innocent workers and employers.”

BULL !!!....

O.K. FOLKS... time to fire up those phones and fax machines.. LET'S ROLL !! ---

26 posted on 10/11/2007 1:37:22 AM PDT by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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To: Enchante
Is there any LEGAL person with a Social Security number who cannot obtain a Soc. Sec. card or other documentation with the number on it? Is there some form of validation that is beyond the capacity of LEGAL residents to supply within 90 days???????

NOPE... AND IT DOES NOT TAKE 90 DAYS.. MORE LIKE 90 SECONDS.. of course for some folks that would be unreasonable to ask them to take 90 seconds out of their busy life to KEEP THEIR JOB --- if in fact they are legally allowed to work the U.S.

27 posted on 10/11/2007 1:56:26 AM PDT by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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To: NRA2BFree; DemEater

Oh you are SOOOOO right. Every President, or Governor, who ever proposed and tried to implement something that a court intervened to stop, was obviously guilty of not really intending to do it in the first place. Who were they trying to fool?? Sheesh. Bush Derangement Syndrome strikes again.


28 posted on 10/11/2007 2:34:44 AM PDT by txrangerette (Congressman Duncan Hunter for POTUS...check him out!! r)
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To: DoughtyOne

Impossible. He can’t be capable. He works for Bush. He’s an idiot. Bush Derangement Syndrome speaks.


29 posted on 10/11/2007 2:38:03 AM PDT by txrangerette (Congressman Duncan Hunter for POTUS...check him out!! r)
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To: davidosborne

BTTT


30 posted on 10/11/2007 2:56:25 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: jonathanmo

““There is a strong likelihood that employers may simply fire employees who are unable to resolve the discrepancy within 90 days,” even if they are legal, he (Breyer) wrote.

This statement reeks of so much BS I’m going to have to go change clothes now.”

I lost my SS card and had to go to the local SSA office to get a new one for a new job. It was no big deal and took 2 weeks a the most to get the new card. The receipt from the office was good enough for my employer to start working.


31 posted on 10/11/2007 3:01:43 AM PDT by neb52
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To: RAY

If the federal government is this broken that the SS Dept cannot resolve these questions in less than 90 days, then we citizens and voters need to storm Congress and demand it be fixed.

From the beginning, the SS number was not to be used is an ID number. That used to be in the law, but I’m not sure it is any more.

Also, one of the big deals that libs and Dims raised about the reasons 9/11 wasn’t stopped before it happened is the non-communication between fed agencies. Apparently, we have the same situation here, judicially ordered.

So, either the SS number is allowed to be used as an ID number or it isn’t. If it is, then the SS Dept MUST share their info with other agencies. If it isn’t, then we’re in trouble big time WRT terrorism right here in River City.

(But if the SS number is allowed to be used as an ID number, then we’re in trouble big time WRT identity theft, and the ruined lives that leaves in its wake. Big Brother has screwed the pooch either way.)


32 posted on 10/11/2007 3:47:36 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: DemEater

Yes.

I believe he does.


33 posted on 10/11/2007 4:13:26 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: RAY

Surprise, surprise, surprise. Charles R. Breyer was nominated by S(l)ick Willie.


34 posted on 10/11/2007 5:28:11 AM PDT by steveegg (I am John Doe, and a monthly donor)
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To: RAY

Chertoff’s got to get his gut in gear to figure out how to counter the Judge.

That’s gonna create some abdominal cramping, for sure.


35 posted on 10/11/2007 5:37:50 AM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: RAY

the il part. :0)


36 posted on 10/11/2007 5:46:24 AM PDT by seemoAR (Absolute power corrupts absolutely)
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To: Enchante

Is there some form of validation that is beyond the capacity of LEGAL residents to supply within 90 days???????

By this logic ANY law requiring compliance within X days, weeks, or months, is illegal because the time constraint "might harm the innocent".

So there's no need to appear in this judge's court promptly at 9:00AM because such a constraint "might harm the innocent."

And now we also have a circuit court effectively ruling that the SSN database is such a mess that it cannot be used to validate any aspect of work authorization.

That's OK, I say just use passports, DL's, birth certificates, and make document fraud a federal felony with mandatory jailtime.

37 posted on 10/11/2007 6:02:10 AM PDT by angkor ("California, Is nice to the homeless, California, Supercool to the homeless..." South Park 11.07)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

“......Mr. Clinton tried during his first two weeks in office to cut taxes”

Clintons first 2 weeks in office (once the coronation was ended) was spent with a press/media blackout, during which they (dems/libs/clinton cabal) got their MSM media takeover ducks in a row with the MSM.


38 posted on 10/11/2007 6:03:48 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: RAY

39 posted on 10/11/2007 6:16:30 AM PDT by Gritty (Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.The corrupt and vicious need masters-Benjamin Franklin)
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To: RAY
Democrat-ically obnoxious posters, who've managed to remain blissfully ignorant of how our government and courts system works have been screaming FOR NEARLY SEVEN STRAIGHT YEARS that it's all Bush's fault. They refuse to even CONSIDER the rolls courts and municipalities play in doing to any effort to curb illegal immigration what a 1 1/4 inch ratchet can do if dropped into a running turbine.

In fact, the Jorge Brigade should be on this thread, treating us to more of their talent for intelligent discourse on the subject.

40 posted on 10/11/2007 6:45:27 AM PDT by cake_crumb (May I never live to see the day America has a 'popular war'. God bless our troops.)
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To: Enchante

My wife misplaced our safe deposit box key - and I needed my SS card or passport for verification. Both were in the box. Luckily, we found the key, but it took about a month. 90 days shouldn’t be too hard unless you simply aren’t trying.


41 posted on 10/11/2007 6:47:57 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: savedbygrace

Oh, they can’t get verification back in 90 days,

but they expected us to believe they could turn around a criminal investigation in 24 hours to prevent allowing illegal immigrant criminals to stay under the amnesty bill?


42 posted on 10/11/2007 6:50:15 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: DemEater

YEAH, why doesn’t this “Jorge” character use Karl’s mind control satellite to control those nasty judges??


43 posted on 10/11/2007 6:59:33 AM PDT by cake_crumb (May I never live to see the day America has a 'popular war'. God bless our troops.)
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To: DoughtyOne; AmericanInTokyo; kc8ukw

Nah, it’s just another one of Bush’s elaborate conspiracies.


44 posted on 10/11/2007 7:10:52 AM PDT by cake_crumb (May I never live to see the day America has a 'popular war'. God bless our troops.)
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To: MrB

Incompetent or evil . . . or both.


45 posted on 10/11/2007 7:12:58 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: azhenfud

Supreme Court.


46 posted on 10/11/2007 7:15:27 AM PDT by cake_crumb (May I never live to see the day America has a 'popular war'. God bless our troops.)
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To: DoughtyOne

That sort of leaves us with the second choice then.


47 posted on 10/11/2007 8:10:43 AM PDT by TigersEye (Hillary can tap Hsus but she can't tuna fish.)
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To: RAY
U.S. Constitution, Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.

QUISLING: a synonym for traitor, someone who collaborates with the invaders of his country.

Current federal law 8USC 1373(a) PROHIBITS SANCTUARY CITIES. It reads as follows:

"Notwithstanding any other provision of federal, state, or local law, a federal, state, or local government entity or official may not prohibit, or in any way restrict any government entity or official from sending to, or receiving from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service information regarding the citizenship or immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual."

48 posted on 10/11/2007 10:17:42 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: txrangerette

When it comes to Bush these days, I’ll have to admit to suffering from BDS as it relates to some issues.


49 posted on 10/11/2007 3:23:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: cake_crumb

Well, we’ll see how stridently the Justice Department objects to this ruling.


50 posted on 10/11/2007 3:54:50 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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