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Look Again At The Frost Facts...And Don't Back Down
freeper research, Baltimore Sun, Others ^ | 10-11-07 | icwhatudo

Posted on 10/11/2007 11:19:24 AM PDT by icwhatudo

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To: Age of Reason
The biggest thing for me for whatever project I do, whether woodworking or home repair/ improvement, or whatever, is personal pride and satisfaction. Its nots the ONLY factor, but it is the largest.

Hard Working Man
Brooks and Dunn

I'm a hard workin' man
I wear a steel hard hat
I can ride, rope, hammer, and paint
Do things with my hands that most men can't
I can't get ahead no matter how hard I try
I'm gettin' really good at barely gettin' by

Got everything I own
By the sweat of my brow
From my four-wheel drive to my cowboy boots
I owe it all to my blue collar roots
I feel like I'm workin' overtime on a runaway train
I've got to bust loose from this ball and chain

I'm a hard, hard workin' man
I got it all on the line
For a piece of the promised land
I'm burnin' my candle at both ends
'Bout the only way to keep the fire goin'
Is to outrun the wind

Come Friday night
I like to party hard
I carry on with the Cadillac cuties
Spend my whole week's pay on some weekend buety
Come Monday mornin' I'm the first to arrive
I ain't nothin' but business from nine till five

Chorus

I can't wait to get up in the mornin'
And do it all over again
Well I'm a hard livin', hard workin' man

And women too

101 posted on 10/11/2007 7:32:38 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: icwhatudo

Excellent job. These parnets made choices.


102 posted on 10/11/2007 8:01:52 PM PDT by dervish (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem)
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To: italianquaker; icwhatudo
Good investigative work, the kind that newspapers and journalists USE to do. dittoes!
103 posted on 10/11/2007 9:03:00 PM PDT by proud2beconservativeinNJ ("In God We Trust")
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...

Halsey Frost And The Shameless Left
Riehlworldview.com | October 11, 2007 | Dan Riehl
Posted on 10/11/2007 4:18:59 PM PDT by khnyny
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1909980/posts


104 posted on 10/11/2007 9:18:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, October 5, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Son House; Beagle8U; Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; JRochelle; DuncanWaring; Phantom Lord
Someone please explain to me the importance of the accident details. What are you trying to show?

There was/wasn't black ice, so then what?
Husband/wife was diving the vehicle so then what?
Car/SUV so then what?
In/out of 4WD, so then what?
Another car/tree, side/front impact, airbags/side curtains... so then what?
Sat/school so then what?

Answer these questions anyway you like and what does it prove? Why is it relevant to the story of dem poster-family freeloaders supporting their lifestlye on the taxpayer dime?

105 posted on 10/11/2007 11:59:30 PM PDT by HundredDollars
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To: icwhatudo

You’ve done some good work here my FRee State friend. These ninnies are simply attacking you because you’re altering their reality of facts.

My wife and I are independent business owners here in Maryland. We get dragged over the coals by our health insurance providers; paying about 12k a year for our family, then paying a pretty big hit on the deductibles each year, as well. It’s a pretty big chunk of our budget. I’d like to find a better plan, but I wouldn’t leave my family without some kind of provision for this. Forget “assailing” the kid how come the parents aren’t being taken to task for NOT insuring their family. It seems irresponsible to me.

We also send our children to a private school to the tune of 10k, I wouldn’t dare to leave my children in the public schools in our district. This is another big piece of the family budget, but it’s something that we value. If we could not afford it - and we are not wealthy by any means - we would have to homeschool.

This is what we choose to do. I don’t ask other individuals to pick up the tab for my kid and I don’t want to get stuck with the bill for your kid either. Nothing personal.

The folks that are attacking your post ought to do the “grown up” thing and take care of their own families. The Frosts should be taken to task for being so irresponsible, using their kid to shamelessly promote their political agenda, then defending that which is morally wrong once they are called on it. The father isn’t even man enough to take care of his own kids. He wants you and I to do it.

Wow! Being criticized for that has really got to hurt. Maybe not for a lib?

Thanks for your hard work. If you’re being attacked for your observations of the facts, take heart, you’re being attacked by all the right people; the liberal jackasses of the world.


106 posted on 10/12/2007 2:51:01 AM PDT by incredulous joe ("The floggings will continue until the general morale improves." - anon)
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To: HundredDollars

Someone please explain to me the importance of the accident details. What are you trying to show?

Verify facts, and that it wasn’t embellished for the sympathy factor, and if it was embellished it would show the Democrat Majority Press didn’t bother to get it right, again.


107 posted on 10/12/2007 3:15:08 AM PDT by Son House ($$Proud Member of Vast Right Wing, Out To Lower Your Tax Rates For More Opportunities.$$)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; Beagle8U
"“mother was driving” Yeah. I think you’re right. I read an awful lotta stuff since yesterday, and don’t remember for sure. I’d like to see the accident report regarding black ice."

I don't think you should question the black ice. That might cause Jesse Jackson to call you racist.

Seriously, the parameters around the accident shouldn't be an issue. Regardless of fault, the kids' conditions exist and they clearly need medical help. I think the only issue here is whether they have the financial means and moral obligation to pay for their own insurance, or if the rest of us should have to pay his insurance. The accident, regardless of the specifics, had tragic consequences that his parents should have been addressing beforehand.

Whatever the government gives you, the government can take away from you. They have been bought and paid for by the liberals. The liberals own them now... their votes, their opinions, their support. And the father thinks he is his own boss in his business. He has more bosses running his entire life than I do.

108 posted on 10/12/2007 3:53:37 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (A liberal is someone who believes Scooter Libby should be in jail and Bill Clinton should not.)
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To: icwhatudo
Welcome to the jungle, baby!

:-)

I nominate Karen T. of Slime Magazine as the scumbag "reporter" of the year so far.

The competition is tough, though.

You have set a match under the media scam artists and their hysterical screams can be heard from sea to shining sea.

You might want to take a look at some of the "logical fallacy" web sites. They list a whole series of false arguments that are commonly used in the major media--the ad hominem attack, argument by authority, false premise, etc etc etc.

But when the lefties go totally nuts they fall back on Hillary's favorite technique--the naked threat.

"We will destroy you."

That is their ultimate argument--and their best one.

As I say, welcome to the jungle.
109 posted on 10/12/2007 4:03:06 AM PDT by cgbg ("I give you health care and I say 'no smoking'". "Yassah Miss Hillary.")
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To: mountn man
Didn't your mother ever teach you that farting in public is rude? ----------- An individual still has to buy relatively expensive equipment. 1-2 cabinet saws at $2000+, 1-2 bandsaws at $2000+, drumsander, drill press, shaper or routers, air filter, dust collector, and other machines and tools and accessories. It would cost $10,000 just for the hobbyist/small business man to get started for equipment, and that number would easily double or triple for that hobbyist/ small business man to really get serious.

Did your mother ever theach you to read the article before posting. The guy is a custom carpenter already and owns his own custom carpentry business. One would have to assume that he already has all the shop tools and the skill to make his own cabinets. I have friends who have done the same and have made better cabinets for a small fraction of the cost of the press board crap you find in those big box stores.

110 posted on 10/12/2007 4:38:21 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: icwhatudo
100% true

And therein lies their problem...

111 posted on 10/12/2007 4:43:17 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: Ditto
I read the entire article.

I have what most would consider a pretty good shop setup. I know what it costs to build oak or maple cabinetry, or tables and chairs. To save $1000 on what would have been $5000 means I have an extra $1000 for something else, but I ain't building cabinets at a small fraction of the price.

Just for reference sake, good cabinet grade plywood costs about $45 up to $90 for the really good stuff. 4 sides can be gotten out of one sheet. Now you have the face and door back bottom and top, and maybe a drawer. Plus hardware.

If you have friends who built their cabinets for a small fraction than what can be purchased at Lowes, then they used crap wood and hardware. Otherwise they're blowing smoke at you.

112 posted on 10/12/2007 6:01:13 AM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mountn man
If you read the article, why did you assume in your last post that the guy had to go out and buy thousands of dollars in shop equipment first?

I do smell smoke.

113 posted on 10/12/2007 6:09:28 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: mountn man; Ditto
If you have friends who built their cabinets for a small fraction than what can be purchased at Lowes, then they used crap wood and hardware.

But can we be sure Lowes uses first class materials?

114 posted on 10/12/2007 10:43:39 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Ditto
I didn't assume that he had to go out and by any equipment. If he had all the equipment he needed, so that he didn't have to buy any, he'd still have to spend money on material. The point I'm trying to make is that for the cost of material alone, one is not going to build comparable or better cabinets at a small fraction of the cost that they can be bought for.

The point I was trying to make earlier about tools, is that the cabinet making firms have large automated machines, that can do large quantities at very fast rates, driving production costs down. Meaning that cabinets can get cheaper and cheaper to produce, and cheaper to sell.

Their material costs are already below 50% of what a small time operator can get.

All this means that a producer can market their product for about the same or a little more than an individual can actually buy the material itself for.

The only time an individual can build cabinets for 1/10 the cost of bought cabinets, which you claimed earlier can be done, is when building your own cabinets versus higher end custom made cabinets. At this point the cost isn't in the material as much as its in the workmanship. When your at this level of cabinetry, Billyjo Bob working out of his garage better be alot more skilled than nailing studs together and measuring in 1/16's of an inch and calling it good, and then claiming that his cabinets are just as good or better than crap that can be bought.

115 posted on 10/12/2007 1:28:06 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: icwhatudo

bump


116 posted on 10/12/2007 1:32:01 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Age of Reason
Lowes doesn't build their own cabinets. At least that I know of. Your buying stuff like Merrilat, Schrock, and Kraft Made. And no they aren't buying the "best" material. Depending on the grade of cabinet can depend on the grade of materials used.

But since these manufacturers are producing items in such "HUGE" quantities, they buy their materials considerably less, than what a small time hobbyist could buy them at, for the same quality.

In order for the individual to cut costs to save that much, there is only one place to cut costs, and thats with the material you buy, and its quality.

117 posted on 10/12/2007 1:35:46 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: Phantom Lord

RE: numerous versions of how private school is paid off

I’ve got to hand it to Democrats/Lieberals.
They are “artful dodgers” when it comes to constant revision of
their explanations!


118 posted on 10/12/2007 1:39:46 PM PDT by VOA
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To: mountn man
The only time an individual can build cabinets for 1/10 the cost of bought cabinets, which you claimed earlier can be done, is when building your own cabinets versus higher end custom made cabinets.

Well thank you for catching up with me. I, and I think it's fair to say the original poster of this thread were operating under the assumption that they are a custom job that he guessed must have cost a bundle. I pointed out that it's also safe to assume the guy not only has the equipment necessary but after years in the business, also has the skill required to build custom cabinets. Beyond that, if custom carpentry is his business, I find it unlikly he would even want off-the-shelf stuff for his own home when he could do custom for the same or less.

My only point was that it's entirely possible that they did not spend a bundle of money on the kitchen as the originater of the thread implied and I advised that he should avoid that line of reasoning. Then, out of the blue, someone accused me of farting in the forum.

119 posted on 10/12/2007 2:04:25 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: Age of Reason
Would stainless steel be a good idea for a counter-top?

It's not something most women would like, given that it is cold and makes a very unpleasant noise when something is placed on it. And if my stainless sink is any example, it's not that easy to polish out scratches, either, which would not happen all over the counter evenly, but only in high-use spots.

120 posted on 10/12/2007 2:43:58 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: Age of Reason
And for any cabinets I might have, I was thinking stainless steel.

I installed high-end stainless steel cabinets in my former home and was disappointed at the endless problems with water spots, rusted joints around the doors, and overall coldness, both in winter, when they retained cold, in the sounds they emitted, and in "feeling."

121 posted on 10/12/2007 2:46:53 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: icwhatudo

Phony poor people!


122 posted on 10/12/2007 2:50:50 PM PDT by petercooper ("Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime." - Nicole Gelinas - 02-10-04)
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To: icwhatudo

Thanks for the update.


123 posted on 10/12/2007 2:53:14 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Leisler
Isn’t it odd that the GP’s gave to a day care center, enough to get named after themselves and, what, none to their grandkids?

In defense of the grandparents, the child care center they funded appears to be a memorial to their daughter. The wording of the web page is strange: it says "a living memorial", so it isn't 100% clear whether that means the daughter is still alive, but I take it to mean that it is a place for living children in memory of a deceased daughter.

When you figure what the average grandparents of means spend on their daughter and her children, the idea that they would instead give these funds to this church, which already has the real estate available, to supplement the tuitions at this nursery school does not offend me. I think it's a generous and useful way to remember their daugher.

Especially if they are also helping their son with their other grandchildren's tuitions, I just don't see why the grandparents should be targeted here, so much as their son, who has planned poorly for his family and now that his children have special needs, feels entitled to lash out at the president over not getting even more aid than has already been generously supplied by so many other sources.

124 posted on 10/12/2007 3:07:57 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: icwhatudo

istillluvwhatudo.

Excellent work, sir, you have singlehandedly shown how fast and loose the so-called guardians of the free press are with facts, and how they jump when their liberal masters tell them to.


125 posted on 10/12/2007 3:10:17 PM PDT by exit82 (Major General, Armchair Warriors USA)
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To: Beagle8U
If it was a Saturday the “on the way to school” part was likely more BS.

My kid went to school on Saturday for sports and activities. Sunday, too.

126 posted on 10/12/2007 3:12:54 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: cgbg
109 posted on 10/12/2007 7:03:06 AM EDT by cgbg ("I give you health care and I say 'no smoking'". "Yassah Miss Hillary.")

Shouldn't that be "Yass'm"?

127 posted on 10/12/2007 3:19:18 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: Ditto
My only point was that it's entirely possible that they did not spend a bundle of money on the kitchen as the originater of the thread implied and I advised that he should avoid that line of reasoning. Then, out of the blue, someone accused me of farting in the forum.

I understood your point about the cabinetry and had the same thought: the guy probably built them himself and already had the equipment. He may even have had some scrap materials.

As for farting in the forum, the Viking kitty did that. Eww — fish kibble!

128 posted on 10/12/2007 3:24:59 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: icwhatudo; pandoraou812
Its safe to say she would not have switched jobs away from one that offered health insurance to one that doesn't.

If she did then it would be her choice and a clear reflection of their priorities. The facts revealed to date clearly show ample opportunities and resources to secure health insurance for the entire family. It just isn't a priority to them and why would it be when they can get some other sucker to pay for it?

Great job, icwhatudo! Clear, concise, well researched and well formatted. Simply centuries ahead of present day journalism.

The Democrats have held up a no-need case that did get welfare, as somehow heart wrenching, to argue for increased welfare. That's the story.

129 posted on 10/12/2007 3:49:47 PM PDT by TigersEye (Hillary can tap Hsus but she can't tuna fish.)
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To: Albion Wilde

I commend the grandparents.

What I am getting at is that the family, had/has more resources than they are letting on.

Frankly, I think they are gaming the system. I feel they are tax cheats, somewhere.


130 posted on 10/12/2007 3:51:15 PM PDT by Leisler (Sugar, the gateway to diabetes, misery and death. Stop Sugar Deaths NOW!)
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To: Age of Reason
Would stainless steel be a good idea for a counter-top?

In my previously life as a chef I would say yes. Commercial kitchens are virtually 100% SS. Cleaning is very easy. Infact you don't need any fancy cleaner, regardless of what SS appliance makers say. Plain old water with clorox in it is all you need.

Now, there are some disadvantages unless they are purpose built. Just a straight sheet of stainless won't work. Cutting boards slide all over. What you have done is get cutting boards made to how you want them for where you want them and have SS 'pegs' welded to the countertop and holes drilled in the cutting boards to match them. They won't go anywhere.

Plus, if you really want to have fun, do from the countertops down stainless, get a tile floor, and have a couple drains put in the floor. Then you can clean the kitchen with a hose!

131 posted on 10/12/2007 4:26:46 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Age of Reason
There's a point when one needs be honest with oneself by wondering if we're really doing something to save money--or if we're just using that as an excuse to play hooky from more important responsibilities.

It's all about what your time is worth. If you spend 200 hours in the shop building cabinets for yourself instead of a paying customer it means you want a new kitchen more than health insurance for your family. The profit from one typical kitchen job would be about enough for one year's insurance. The Frosts decided that comfort/status was worth more to them than security/health.

I am foursquare behind the liberty to make that choice. Just don't whine that others are unwilling to pay for the things you don't care that much about.

132 posted on 10/12/2007 4:53:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (Hillary can tap Hsus but she can't tuna fish.)
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To: icwhatudo

ping to post 124


133 posted on 10/12/2007 5:03:15 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: HundredDollars
I agree with you that the attention to the accident is mostly irrelevant to this story. It only ties in in one way that I can see. From the description of the accident and injuries it seems quite likely that the kids weren't in child safety seats. I don't know what Maryland law is but child safety seats are pretty universal and easily available these days. No one has not heard of them.

What is the relevance of that? That, in combination with their choice not to have health insurance, shows how low the health and welfare of their children is on their priority list.

That may sound like a cold indictment but asking the taxpayers to feel sorry for them and then hand over their money is even colder. Were they waiting for a government program to buy them child seats?

134 posted on 10/12/2007 5:13:50 PM PDT by TigersEye (Hillary can tap Hsus but she can't tuna fish.)
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To: AppyPappy
More importantly, do scholarships or "aid" or someone else (grandparents) helping pay for tuition constitute income that needs to be reported.
135 posted on 10/13/2007 10:29:36 AM PDT by Bob J (sis)
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To: HundredDollars

greed, questions about the accident only diverts attention from the main question of whether the Halseys needed SCHIP and whether they misrepresented their income and assets when applying for it.


136 posted on 10/13/2007 10:33:54 AM PDT by Bob J (sis)
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To: HundredDollars

Agreed, questions about the accident only diverts attention from the main question of whether the Halseys needed SCHIP and whether they misrepresented their income and assets when applying for it.


137 posted on 10/13/2007 10:34:07 AM PDT by Bob J (sis)
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To: icwhatudo

Somebody needs to get in Hillary’s face and ask her why SHE is exploiting the Frost family, when they are such a perfect example of what’s wrong with ‘Hillary care’?


138 posted on 10/13/2007 10:37:36 AM PDT by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: mountn man
Didn't your mother ever teach you that farting in public is rude?

Evidently yours did not.

139 posted on 10/13/2007 10:59:35 AM PDT by edsheppa
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To: HundredDollars
I think debating the accident details is counterproductive...

I agree with you. There only relevant question WRT to these people is should folks who chose not to get the insurance they clearly could have afforded be subsidized when they lose their gamble?

140 posted on 10/13/2007 11:06:17 AM PDT by edsheppa
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To: icwhatudo

The Democrats tried to deceive the voters. (As usual...sigh!)

They tried to sell voters a SKUNK disguised as a “cute puppy dog.”

Their new SCHIP program was not the same child-centric program which Graeme Frost said helped him.

Bush was willing to increase funding by $5 billion for the SCHIP program which helped Graeme.

If Democrats wanted Bush to sign an act which helps kids, they should have given him an act which helps kids.


141 posted on 10/13/2007 12:23:10 PM PDT by syriacus (Gore deserves THE HORNSWOGGLE FLEECE PRIZE)
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To: JRochelle
"Black Ice" around Baltimore?

I know exactly when that accident happened! Lots of wrecks that night. Cars were pushed along the ice by the wind! Weird. And a very geographically limited phenomenon.

142 posted on 10/13/2007 2:17:23 PM PDT by Zerodown (Draft Petraeus. Let's win this one.)
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To: Age of Reason

Stainless steel is great, and if you get it with a lip, you can put wood inserts in it. Wood is porous, so you have to clean it well, but it’s easy to clean, sand down to a new surface, or replace, and you can afford some striking grain if you’re only going to use it for a few square feet. Make sure you use an edible oil to seal the wood, and clean the joints and steel underneath regularly. If you really like to cook, a lot of the new surfaces can’t take the heat, scratches or stains of active chefs.


143 posted on 10/13/2007 2:28:30 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("Of course, a fool, what with sheer fright and fine sentiments, is always safe.")
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To: Son House

I hate to pile on but I read earlier that the children weren’t belted. Anybody else see that?


144 posted on 10/13/2007 2:38:08 PM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: Albion Wilde

Good stainless steel should not rust.

That’s the whole point of stainless.

If I remember correctly, a magnet will not stick to good stainless.

If a magnet does stick to something that is supposed to be stainless, then it isn’t pure stainless, and it contains iron, which will rust.

The scratch part is interesting, but only if it makes the counter harder to clean, that is, only if the scratches are deep enough to hold dirt.

I see a kitchen as a factory—make food, leave, and turn off the light ASAP.

Providing the waterspots are not permanent, I see no harm in them.

Restaurants and ship galleys use stainless extensively—so I would think it must be very utilitarian.


145 posted on 10/13/2007 3:14:23 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Phantom Lord
In my previously life as a chef I would say yes. Commercial kitchens are virtually 100% SS. Cleaning is very easy. Infact you don't need any fancy cleaner, regardless of what SS appliance makers say. Plain old water with clorox in it is all you need.

Reminds me, I remember hearing that boiling water is good for cleaning off any fingerprints--not that I expect prints to be a problem (the few cabinets I have will have handles, which handles I suspect will not show fingerprints if the handles have no flat surfaces).

Now, there are some disadvantages unless they are purpose built. Just a straight sheet of stainless won't work. Cutting boards slide all over. What you have done is get cutting boards made to how you want them for where you want them and have SS 'pegs' welded to the countertop and holes drilled in the cutting boards to match them. They won't go anywhere.

The pegs would get in the way of wiping down the countertop, which would be a minor nusiance, but not tha bad. Maybe I could figure something better out, if not, then the pegs are a great idea; thanks for the tip.

Plus, if you really want to have fun, do from the countertops down stainless, get a tile floor, and have a couple drains put in the floor. Then you can clean the kitchen with a hose!

Oh--no cabinest under the counters for me.

And NO tile on the floor--I despise tile, not so much for the tile, but for the grout and seams between the tiles, which is miserable stuff.

I was thinking of sheet linoleum or vinyl in one big piece (I will instruct the architect to make the floor as square as possible, with no fancy moldings along the baseboard and door openings, to make cutting the sheet to fit easier.

Having no cabinets under the counters makes maintenence easier (especially of the plumbing, which I plan to be visible), and when something spills, little chance it might get under the cabinets where it can't be got at.

As for a drain in the floor and hosing everything down--that would be wonderful.

ACtually, it would be great if I could go at my bathrooms with a steam cleaner.

(believe it or not, except for ultilitarian rooms like baths and kitchens, the house I intend to build will be a repro of an 18th century design).

146 posted on 10/13/2007 3:34:51 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason

My stainless cabinets rusted at the inner corners of the door openings where some other soldering compound had been used to seal the joints. The water spots were probably due to the smooth surface, whereas some people order the matte surface. Any steel surface will show scratches.

You seem to have your heart set on them, so just discount everything I’ve said about water spots and an unpleasant sound and the other poster said about fingerprints, because what do we know?


147 posted on 10/13/2007 3:35:01 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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You seem to have your heart set on them, so just discount everything I’ve said about water spots and an unpleasant sound and the other poster said about fingerprints, because what do we know?

It's not that I'm discounting them, it's just that water spots, fingerprints, and sound are not important to me.

Rust is another matter, and I intend to remember your info about the sealed joints rusting--that's extremely valuable information for me to question the manufacturer about.

148 posted on 10/13/2007 3:50:45 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: AppyPappy
I am by no means a CPA, but I am a businessman...

My general understanding about the current tax code is that if you receive, income, revenue, or money from whatever source, there is a very strong potential that with a few exceptions, that money is subject to taxation. It could be taxed as income, taxed as a gift if it meets the criteria, or taxed under an array other taxable attachments that are built into the current tax code. If you are really playing it straight under the code, and someone “gives you money” or pays bills for you, like grandparents paying for children’s tuition for private schools, etc... without the anticipation of being repaid, I think you might have to call that income, at worst, a gift at best.... I believe that you have a taxable event, especially if its a large amount of money provided to you over an extended period of time...

So, with that said, we need a good CPA to inform us as to how the amount of money being paid by anyone, for which the Frosts experience benefit for example in tuition offset or payment on behalf of the Frosts, is handled under the tax code...

After all, if they are receiving tens of thousands of dollars each year in tuition assistance from let’s say grandparents, is that money received each year required to be(1) included in their tax filings as additional income, (2) added to their income considered in their qualification requirements under the program?

Look I don’t want any ill will to come to these nice people, all I want is the truth to prevail in this process. If they are cutting corners anywhere, especially since they have chosen voluntarily to enter the public discourse using “their situation" to make a statement about policy that effects all of us, they are not exempt from being held accountable if it is found they should be...

Is there a CPA that can answer these questions for us?

149 posted on 10/13/2007 4:45:11 PM PDT by SterlingSilver (If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... its a duck!)
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To: NonValueAdded

Concrete countertops ARE a DIY project, for someone willing to take the time. We’d considered doing them in our home here in MA, but since we’ve decided to sell next year, and move South, we’re going with quartz. Apparently concrete countertops are not as acceptable in the average Colonial here in the Northeast. But they can be done; I attended a seminar and demonstration given by Fu Tung Cheng at a Builder’s Trade Show in Worcester a few years ago. It’s not rocket science, and with some time and effort, a nice product can result, at MUCH less than $100/sq. ft.


150 posted on 10/14/2007 8:23:19 PM PDT by SuziQ
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