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To: icwhatudo
"A photo taken in the family's kitchen shows what appears to be a recent remodeling job"

I'd just avoid the entire remolding thing if I were you. A decent carpenter with the right shop equipment can build his own kitchen cabinets at 10th or less than the cost of store bought cabinets. This guy is a carpenter and has the shop tools so it's easily evening / weekend work for the cost of some lumber and hardware. Same with the concrete counters. They don't have to be store bought. A good DYIer can pour them himself.

No doubt with the real estate they own, this family's assets are much larger than a 45k yearly taxable income would typically indicate, but the kitchen remolding job means nothing in that regard.

25 posted on 10/11/2007 12:03:06 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: Ditto; icwhatudo

Even if everything Ditto says is true regarding the cost of the remodel, he could have used the time and resources to do a remodel for a paying customer to get more income to provide security for his family, and lessen the taxpayer burden. In fact, the cheaper he was able to do it the worse it is that he didn’t do it for profit.

The kitchen is an extravagence no matter which way you slice it. Don’t fold on this point.


71 posted on 10/11/2007 2:49:02 PM PDT by HundredDollars
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To: Ditto
A decent carpenter with the right shop equipment can build his own kitchen cabinets at 10th or less than the cost of store bought cabinets.

Didn't your mother ever teach you that farting in public is rude?

There might be some savings, if like for like materials were used. But unless the bought cabinets were custom made, the savings really won't be THAT substantial.

If the cabinets were something that can be bought at Lowes or Home Depot, it would be extremely hard, if not outright impossible to drastically undercut those prices.

1-hardware must be bought. The cabinet company buys theirs by the 1,000's or even 10,000's, versus the individual buying them at a couple or few dozen.

2-lumber costs. A cabinet company probably gets their lumber green and seasons and mills it themselves. A small furniture company would probably buy dried lumber, probably rough sawn. Definitely more expensive.

3-machining. A cabinet company is going to be using a lot of computer operated machinery. Wood is fed in one end, cut to size, comes out the other end. Moves to the next station, and similar happens. And so on. A one man operation can have a cnc machine, but still a person is overseeing each and all of the operations.

4-setup. A cabinet company makes pieces for a 1000 cabinets before changing to set up for another, at each different machine. An individual might have 2-3 duplicate machines, set up differently, but they have to be initially set up, and reset when measurements change.

By the time a cabinet is rolled out the door, the actual labor cost per unit is relatively small. The real factor for the company is large numbers. Granted, they have large overhead with buildings, machinery, land, and so on, its divided by the large lots produced.

An individual still has to buy relatively expensive equipment. 1-2 cabinet saws at $2000+, 1-2 bandsaws at $2000+, drumsander, drill press, shaper or routers, air filter, dust collector, and other machines and tools and accessories. It would cost $10,000 just for the hobbyist/small business man to get started for equipment, and that number would easily double or triple for that hobbyist/ small business man to really get serious. And to really gear it for a small business the price would go up. Now divide those numbers by a small volume of products and it becomes obvious, how relatively inexpensive the massed produced cabinetry machinery costs.

No "carpenter" is going to build high quality cabinetry on his Craftsman contractor table saw, or with his Milwaukee Hole Shooter. There are numerous tools for cabinetry or furniture that the average "carpenter" will not have.

86 posted on 10/11/2007 5:24:11 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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