Skip to comments.An Open Letter to the Ron Paul Faithful
Posted on 10/11/2007 10:55:46 PM PDT by South40
You guys are good. Real good. You are truly a force on World Wide Web and I tip my hat to you.
That's based on my first hand experience of your work regarding our CNBC Republican candidate debate. After the debate, we put up a poll on our Web site asking who readers thought won the debate. You guys flooded it.
Now these Internet polls are admittedly unscientific and subject to hacking. In the end, they are really just a way to engage the reader and take a quick temperature reading of your audience. Nothing more and nothing less. The cyber equivalent of asking the room for a show of hands on a certain question.
So there was our after-debate poll. The numbers grew ... 7,000-plus votes after a couple of hours ... and Ron Paul was at 75%.
Now Paul is a fine gentleman with some substantial backing and, by the way, was a dynamic presence throughout the debate , but I haven't seen him pull those kind of numbers in any "legit" poll. Our poll was either hacked or the target of a campaign. So we took the poll down.
The next day, our email basked was flooded with Ron Paul support messages. And the computer logs showed the poll had been hit with traffic from Ron Paul chat sites. I learned other Internet polls that night had been hit in similar fashion. Congratulations. You folks are obviously well-organized and feel strongly about your candidate and I can't help but admire that.
But you also ruined the purpose of the poll. It was no longer an honest "show of hands" -- it suddenly was a platform for beating the Ron Paul drum. That certainly wasn't our intention and certainly doesn't serve our readers ... at least those who aren't already in the Ron Paul camp.
Some of you Ron Paul fans take issue with my decision to take the poll down. Fine. When a well-organized and committed "few" can throw the results of a system meant to reflect the sentiments of "the many," I get a little worried. I'd take it down again.
Allen Wastler Managing Editor, CNBC.com
Some 7000 voters out of 169,000,000 is not a very substantial number and not even big when compared to the 2,240,000 who watched the debate.
We've ALL been "FREEPING" poles since I've been around Freerepublic (which is about eight years under my old name). I've just changed to being a Paul supporter since this last debate and it amazes me how much some hate this man. He has the strictest, Constitutionalist message in our Grand Ole Party and for some reason our party hates him for that. That makes me wonder if the Republican party has drifted too far to the left from where I, and Ron Paul, stand.
Poor guy. He doesn't seem to have a clue what happened.
I have made a similar switch, though I won’t act rabid, and DO disagree with him on the War in Iraq, and WOT!
I do think he makes a point, however that Congress should actually declare war on Iraq, Afghani, Irani, or any other when we go to war against someone else.
“That makes me wonder if the Republican party has drifted too far to the left from where I, and Ron Paul, stand.”
I heard out of Ron Paul’s mouth that WE were responsible for 911... Is that where you stand?
It has been a official pasttime of Freerepublic for about a decade to flood unscientific online polls for just about any reason that could be made.
Blame not the power of the grassroots mob for exploiting your corporation’s critically flawed website implementations.
If the Ron Paul online army succeeds only in ending the lamestream media’s use online unscientific polls, that would be a great success for the entire country, and the world.
You have a misunderstanding of the Ron Paul online presence.
Paul supporters are not a single cabal of several thousand drone like people posting threads on web forums and getting everyone to click the polls.
(The follwoing is the bestI can see from what I’ve seen trying to figure out how they get such a huge presence.)
Paul supporters have instead done something incredibly evolutionary, the have a small group of casual users who have signed up for every social bookmarking website available on the internet. When your goals are simple, (Click here, vote Ron Paul) you can create a massive multiplier effect by recruiting just a few moments of random social bookmarking users’ time.
They go further though, and continuously (and probably through a good amount of code writing) submit articles to every social bookmarking website in the Anglophone internet regarding Ron Paul. They get ALOT of eyeballs on every small mention of Paul in the press, RELATIVE to their small numbers.
Now, is a flash mob swarm by Paul supporters any less or more valid than a flash poll by a lamestream media outlet’s website?
It’s actually an admission by CNBC’s staff that Paul’s unpaid volunteers have a larger internet footprint than CNBC does, which is one of the reasons most of CNBC’s staff are worried they are going to lose their jobs.
No matter how much Pauliacs flood these online polls, he still stand a snowballs chance of getting elected.
Falsifying these polls gains absolutely nothing!
Well, is that a surprise from a bunch of nutjobs, 19th century protectionists, and Stormfront asshats (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=27461_Neo-Nazis_Heart_Ron_Paul&only)? Of course they have no life. Who would want to share one with these psychotic freaks?
Shhh. Don't upset the Paulians. After all, aren't all TRUE conservatives 9/11 troofers on the side of Stormfront?
Anyone who supports Ron Paul is an idiot, a troofer, a neo-Nazi, or someone so frustrated with the other options that they've lost the ablity for rational thought. Sorry if I've insulted some of you, but the truth hurts. And if this gets me banned, oh well, it was a nice run.
Completely wrong. We don't hate him for that. In fact, he makes some good points on those grounds. Wish some other GOPers would do the same.
However, we hate him for his troofer cr## and other completely wacked-out positions. He's WAY off the deep end, plain and simple. Just because he gets some (important) issues right is no excuse to ignore his other garbage. For an apt analogy, consider that Hitler liked doggies and kids. We didn't hate him for that, and we didn't hate people who liked doggies and kids. We hated him because he was a psychotic bastard, his banality on those (dogs and kids) issues notwithstanding.
And no, I'm not breaking/triggering Godwin's law. The analogy to Hitler here is completely justified given Stormfront's support of Ron Paul.
Actually, both assertions are wrong. The poll was not "hacked" - nor were the Fox polls (the one where Hannity falsely accused Paul supporters of redialing, when that was not possible).
Nor was the CNBC poll the target of the Paul campaign. Paul's support is spontaneous from those of us who are hearing a message that both parties have cynically rejected. The Repubs and Dems are in the business of politics - the power they wield and influence they can sell. The message Paul is delivering has not been heard since Goldwater. Because of this, Paul supporters, though relatively small in number, are far more energized than those who favor other candidates.
Now, if we want to talk about a campaign fixing a poll, how about all of those Romney buses to the Iowa straw polls, plus his campaign buying all of those tickets on behalf of all of those bussed in people? That's how a campaign rigs a poll!
The other candidates may giggle into their microphones whenever Paul speaks, but I bet they're all green with envy over the grassroots organization Paul has.
“Got to be something wrong with a person when they justify supporting Paul.”
Pro fence secure our borders
Reduce federal budget
Abolish the IRS
Abolish the Dept of Education
Abolish the Dept of Energy
Pro 2nd Amendment
Pro 10th Amendment
Strong support for property rights
No government subsidized health care
Pro home schooling
Strong lifelong Christian
No unconstitutional government agencies
Jeesh! Who could like that stuff, right?
I agree with those who say his stance on whether Islamic Jihadism is an imminent threat is wrong. We need to address this now. I don’t believe that we can negotiate anything with the jihadists. Force is the only answer. I also don’t believe that we wait until they reach our shores (they already have). I also believe that Bush’s original strategy was bad. The fact is we are there now and have to finish. However, it is not a foregone conclusion that we will spend whatever it takes to control Iraq. Anyone who says that has not considered what that means, because it means that we can’t defend our own shores and are subject to economic collapse...which as a policy, I’m against.
I’m amazed that Ron Paul’s message of limited government has resonated so strongly with so many people and I am equally amazed at the resistance to limiting government. There are a lot of RINOs out there.
Missing from your list: “friggin’ nuts.”
All one has to do is look at the poll here on FR on which canidate won the debate.. It says Paulute came in second.. but if you look at the breakdown of that vote (click the “details” button), most of the Paul voters were not registered voters.. and Paul came in 5th among FR members at only 7.5%.
Yes Paul people are active, but if they think they are fooling anyone, well, they must assume the general populace is very stupid.
Texas congressman said he could see "no reason" to justify military action if he were elected president. He compared the United States to a schoolyard bully and said the country has no reason to flex its muscles overseas.Try and explain/repair this Paulestinian "Faithful"!
"There's nobody in this world that could possibly attack us today," he said in the interview. "I mean, we could defend this country with a few good submarines."
"And here we are, so intimidated and so insecure and we're acting like such bullies that we have to attack third-world nations that have no military and have no weapon."
The Paulie WalNUTS strike again.
The general populace is very stupid otherwise there would be no democrats or rinos.
You are sooo wrong. We object because he's a nut. He has insulted me with his expressed feelings about 9/11. That is ALL the reason I need to discount him.
I don’t care if I agreee with every position he has. Your list means nothing to me. His feelings about 9/11 leave me cold. It supersedes anything else he has to say. Go away Ron Paul.
VOTE ROSS PAUL.........
VOTE RON PEROT.........
ah, vote early and often!
Vote ronpaul OFF THE ISLAND!
When did the Republican party or even the majority of the "founding fathers" ever believe in the crackpot interpretation of the Constitution in Ron Paul's message?
Paulestinians on FR have already attacked Reagan for the Cold War, Radio Free Europe & and aid to foreign freedom fighters like Solidarity (in Poland). They've seen T. Roosevelt(Republican) and his Panama Canal and JFK for his Moon Mission as usurpers of the Constitution. They've vilified every American President since Lincoln (the 1st Republican President).
But, tell me, when did they approve of America? Surely it wasn't with Jefferson and his "unconstitutional" Louisiana Purchase. Nor could it be with James Monroe and Monroe Doctrine, justifying foreign intervention throughout the Western Hemisphere. It can't be with the Hero of the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 - Andrew Jackson - and his invasion of Spanish Territory Florida, during the undeclared 1st Seminole war.
Who left the party? Who went over to the side of the hate America left?
I suggest that Ron Paul may be end up being funded by the Clinton campaign because of his incredible effectiveness at destroying the GOP from within.
A decade or more ago we allowed Paul to label himself a Republican since he looked like a guy who could win in that district. He didn’t fight with him even though he never played nice with others. We admired his stance against asking for or taking pork because of this constitutional argument against it.
But at some point in the last year(s), he has decided that the GOP is a greater evil than Al Qaeda. He has become Pat Buchanan (another guy who USED to be in the GOP before he became obsessed with personal attention) of the new century. He is beating the DNC to the punch in attacking the GOP for things we do wrong and things we ‘should’ be doing (like withdrawing our troops from around the world and just surrounding the US with a giant moat or a wall).
Ron Paul is now the Lefts favorite ‘Republican’. The fact that we are pretending to have debates with 9 people on a stage and including people who will never win anything in their entire lives just adds the free publicity. We can actually allow people to believe that Ron Paul ‘won’ a debate amongst actual Republicans by accusing everybody else in the GOP of being traitors to the Constitution and ‘selling out our party’ (a party which Ron Paul didn’t actually belong to until he decided to run for Prez. He is a libertarian, remember?).
Why bother to even have a Democrat party when we can just have Ron Paul personally defeat whomever the GOP is putting up? The Democrats won’t even need to have debates of their own since there is nothing they will say which will be more damaging or destructive than the average Ron Paul soundbite.
And speaking of the Democrat party, remember the last Democrat President to get 50% of the vote? Well, it sure as hell wasn’t Bill Clinton. Clinton only had to get 43% back in 1992 since Ross Perot managed to split enough of the GOP vote to ensure that the Razorback Retard got to be President for 8 years. And remember what Ross Perot managed to add to our nation? The ‘Reform Party’ which quickly became a place for third tier GOP candidates to sneak off to when it was apparent that they were too far out of the mainstream to get a vote in the GOP.
But Ron Paul, hero of the ideological pure and channeller of the Founding Fathers themselves, is going to prove that he is no Ross Perot. He will succeed where Perot failed. Paul will win the GOP nomination by getting all of those anti-GOP voters and then help elect a GOP congress comprised of new anti-GOP members who will enact his legislation of (hell, who even knows).
But the last Republican who ran against the Republican base in a GOP primary was John McCain and he failed to win anything. But I’m sure Ron Paul will succeed where McCain and Buchanan failed. Paul will be able to convince all of the anti-war, American hating socialists on the Left to cross party lines and vote for the GOP. No need to wonder what kind of actual aftermath something like that would have in real life since the odds are so insanely unlikely.
Oh hell, I’m just sick of this bizarre Ron Paul cult. I was sick of the Perotistas back in 1992 and I told every Republican I knew that it was suicide then. But I’m sure that it won’t make any difference at all for me to point out again that when we find our own Howard Dean in the GOP it isn’t a good idea to follow him. I’ll just be told that I’ve ‘lost touch’ with (fill in the blank).
Have a great time under President Clinton! (again) But don’t expect a Thank You card from Hillary for all your hard work. She is notoriously ungrateful.
>> No matter how much Pauliacs flood these online polls, he still stand a snowballs chance of getting elected.
Heh heh... and that’s only the start.
Ron Paul will be defeated not only in the (R) primaries, but he will lose his seat in Congress. Having exposed himself as a cut-n-run “it’s America’s fault” truther, he’ll have a tough time getting elected in Congress. We Texans don’t buy that stuff.
It’ll give him lots of free time to start up that Truther think tank he’s always had his heart set on...
Ron Soros Paul is now the Lefts favorite Republican.
If he runs as 3rd party will he drain votes from the Dems or the Reps?
No life? These guys are screwing with the next election big time; this is basically criminal. My feeling is there is somebody in Paul’s pocket who is a whiz at bombing these polls and websites.
I hate to tell you this, Allen, but this is true of every poll you put up on CNBC. So why do you only pull the ones you don't like?
I guess so. . .if you call being on the edge of hysteria "dynamic".
Specifically, what did he say that changed you into a Paul supporter?
Yeah, they're working so hard, that in some polls, Paul can get a whole 4%. Of course, he drops back to 2% the next day, but. . .
I hate to tell you, but the Neo Nazis have never supported a liberal over a libertarian or conservative. That doesn't mean that the candidate was anything like them. They supported Bush over Gore and Kerry, yet Bush appointed the first Hispanic Attorney General, appointed the first two, black Secretaries of State, appointed the first black National Security Adviser, a black Secretary of Education, etc.
Here are some more Conservative' votes by RuPaul:
Voted NO on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes.
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research.
Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion.
Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons.
Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime.
Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism.
Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror.
Voted NO on allowing vouchers in DC schools.
Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy.
Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy.
Voted YES on barring website promoting Yucca Mountain nuclear waste dump.
Voted NO on speeding up approval of forest thinning projects.
Voted NO on reforming the UN by restricting US funding.
Voted NO on requiring lobbyist disclosure of bundled donations.
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits about obesity against food providers.
Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers
Voted NO on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse.
Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1.
Voted NO on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Voted NO on $266 billion Defense Appropriations bill.
Voted YES on more immigrant visas for skilled workers.
Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers.
Voted NO on promoting work and marriage among TANF recipients.
Voted NO on treating religious organizations equally for tax breaks.
If we would just finally, and openly, excommunicate Ron Paul the lefties might actually rally to him. And then we could finally start giving him money so he would have a successful anti-war, anti-GOP campaign and steal the real lefties from Hillary (whom they all know is really a sell-out).
If Ralph Nader isn’t going to have the balls to run, then we might have to push Ron Paul to run in the Green Party.
The DNC should be the party who is the most afraid of a viable third party since the anti-war movement is a party in itself now and the DNC is tripping over themselves to keep it within them own borders. But if Hillary is the annointed leader, they might determine that she just ain’t quite Bush/Iraq/Military/American hatin’ enough for them and demand that Kucinich/Paul run on the independent ticket.
Oh, by chance, to dream.....