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Study: Youth see Christians as judgmental, anti-gay
mobileplay ^ | Wed Oct 10th, 2007 | Adelle M. Banks

Posted on 10/12/2007 2:59:51 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus

Majorities of young people in America describe modern-day Christianity as judgmental, hypocritical and anti-gay. What's more, many Christians don't even want to call themselves "Christian" because of the baggage that accompanies the label.

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1 posted on 10/12/2007 2:59:54 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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2 posted on 10/12/2007 3:03:28 AM PDT by Stepan12 ( "We are all girlymen now." Conservative reaction to Ann Coulter's anti PC joke)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Majorities of young people in America describe modern-day Christianity as judgmental, hypocritical and anti-gay.

Christians should be Judgmental, and anti-gay but not Hypocrites.

3 posted on 10/12/2007 3:05:11 AM PDT by LowOiL (Duncan Hunter .. a man you're not ashamed to support full heartedly..)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

There are plenty of good kids in this country. That said, what should we expect the other kids to think when all the MSM & Hollywood does is bash Christians?


4 posted on 10/12/2007 3:05:18 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: PetroniusMaximus
I read the article. Total BS. What they call “judgment”, I call just having a sense of right and wrong. Stupid damn kids today don’t seem to be able to understand the difference between being judgmental and using your judgment.
5 posted on 10/12/2007 3:10:44 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Thompson / Hunter in 2008)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

So, in a few years they (and Hollywood) will probably start converting to Islam, the world’s only non-judgmental, non-hypocritical, and pro-gay “religion.” It’s just so cool to dress up funny, learn some exotic foreign words, and pray with your butt in the air like a duck dipping for food in a pond.


6 posted on 10/12/2007 3:10:47 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

So let me get this straight, if somebody wants to get into a depressing, loveless, unhealthy, and barren lifestyle, I should encourage them to, because I love them, and don’t want to judge them?


7 posted on 10/12/2007 3:13:11 AM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Christ's Kingdom on Earth is the answer. What is your question?)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

From the article:

“Andy Stanley, senior pastor of North Point Ministries in Atlanta, suggested that churches should not focus solely on converting people, as has been the emphasis for generations.

“If we were able to rewrite the script for the reputation of Christianity, I think we would put the emphasis on developing relationships with non-believers, serving them, loving them, and making them feel accepted,” he wrote.”

Yes, make unrepentant sinners feel accepted. That’s FAR more important than saving their souls! Yeah, ignore that sin stuff. It’s so old school!


8 posted on 10/12/2007 3:15:06 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: CitizenUSA

I wonder what Andy’s father, Charles Stanley thinks about his son’s views?


9 posted on 10/12/2007 3:18:48 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: PetroniusMaximus

An item that should be added to the list: ‘And they can’t take criticism.’


10 posted on 10/12/2007 3:19:00 AM PDT by Rudder
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Study: Youth see Christians as judgmental, anti-gay

Common Sense: Adults see Youth as morons, anti-everything

11 posted on 10/12/2007 3:20:23 AM PDT by gridlock (C'mon people now / Smile on your Brother / Everybody get together / Try to love one anoth-kaBOOM!)
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To: CitizenUSA
Yes, make unrepentant sinners feel accepted. That’s FAR more important than saving their souls! Yeah, ignore that sin stuff. It’s so old school!
You can't save someone's soul by dragging them to church and getting them to cynically mouth pieties. Too many churches today produce Churchians, not Christians.

Setting a good example and letting *true* seekers find their own path to salvation is the only way to go IMO. Although YMMV.
12 posted on 10/12/2007 3:21:27 AM PDT by ketsu
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To: NurdlyPeon

I think the “stupid damn kids of today” are a direct result of the stupid damn parenting that started immediatedly after the so called peace love and rock and roll decade of the 60’s.


13 posted on 10/12/2007 3:23:19 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Image hosted by Photobucket.com pretty damn judgmental of them if you ask me...
14 posted on 10/12/2007 3:26:07 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: LowOiL

“but not Hypocrites.”

Just another term that the left is succeeding in redefining.

Where it used to mean someone who condemns others for behavior he condones in himself, it now means anyone who in any way fails — even once — to live up to the most rigorous interpretation of the Christian moral code.

No room for human weakness; no room for error; no room for repentance. Stumble once, and you become one more piece of proof that all Christians are hypocrites.


15 posted on 10/12/2007 3:26:55 AM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Coldwater Creek wrote: “I wonder what Andy’s father, Charles Stanley thinks about his son’s views?”

I don’t know either of them, but perhaps you do. If Andy Stanley was accurately quoted in the article, he’s WAY off course. What’s this bunk about the “reputation” of Christianity? This isn’t a popularity contest...it’s about saving people from HELL.

The world crucified our leader, and we should expect no less. If, by God’s grace, we are treated better in these times...be thankful! Harder times will come.


16 posted on 10/12/2007 3:27:46 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: driftdiver

Part of the plan, Just read Marx.
Take GOD out of the flag certificate, per Queen Pelosi’s directive. Just another push towards Herself the First’s Socialist Eutopia.


17 posted on 10/12/2007 3:29:21 AM PDT by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Study: Youth see Christians as judgmental, anti-gay

Only if they read the bible...

18 posted on 10/12/2007 3:29:34 AM PDT by GOPJ (When it makes you mad -- "ping & grrrr" -- Freeper:pandoraou812)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
What's more, many Christians don't even want to call themselves "Christian" because of the baggage that accompanies the label.

Then they don't know what Christ is all about.

If the persecution of the media and homosexuals (in many cases one in the same with agressive "gay" reporters) is too much for you, then your faith is a mile wide and an inch thin.

There are Christians all over the world being tortured, beaten, and imprisoned for the cause of Christ.

Too many Americans are so soft.

Everyone who acknowledges me before others I will acknowledge before my heavenly Father. But whoever denies me before others, I will deny before my heavenly Father.”

Matthew 10:32-33

19 posted on 10/12/2007 3:30:11 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: CitizenUSA
Charles Stanley is pastor at First Baptist Church, Atlanta, with a world wide following. He probably wonders how in the world he raised such a liberal thinking “Christian”.
20 posted on 10/12/2007 3:31:07 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: dsc
Just another term that the left is succeeding in redefining. Where it used to mean someone who condemns others for behavior he condones in himself, it now means anyone who in any way fails — even once — to live up to the most rigorous interpretation of the Christian moral code. No room for human weakness; no room for error; no room for repentance. Stumble once, and you become one more piece of proof that all Christians are hypocrites.

Very well said.

21 posted on 10/12/2007 3:31:15 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: CitizenUSA

I venture to say that Andy Stanley’s remarks may have been taken out of context, but I don’t know.

I do know that he and Louis Giglio have done so much to reach the college youth of this generation. My son attended a 35,000 strong group of college kids (the Passion 07) led by Giglio (who was part of Stanley’s church leadership for years.) It was very evangelistic in it’s nature. They have promoted worship bands like David Crowder, Charlie Hall, Matt Redmon, and Chris Tomlin who play to the college kids and their main thrust is evangelism.


22 posted on 10/12/2007 3:32:08 AM PDT by dawn53
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ketsu wrote: “You can’t save someone’s soul by dragging them to church and getting them to cynically mouth pieties. Too many churches today produce Churchians, not Christians.”

Not the churches I’ve attended, but who’s “dragging” people to church? People are free to attend or not attend, but I’m very skeptical of any Christian who is unwilling to associate with fellow believers.


23 posted on 10/12/2007 3:33:06 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: ketsu

The Bible says to go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come to hear the Word.


24 posted on 10/12/2007 3:33:07 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath

Yesterday was transgender day at RHAM High School in Hebron Ct. You were supposed to dress as the opposite sex and get in touch with your real feelings. Hows THAT for modern day education!


25 posted on 10/12/2007 3:33:52 AM PDT by ABN 505
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To: pennboricua

That is pretty much what is happening.


26 posted on 10/12/2007 3:34:01 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: pennboricua

Define “anti-gay”. I would never hurt someone because they are homosexual(I prefer to call a spade a spade). I do, however, reserve the right not to accept their lifestyle. So, I guess that’s “anti-gay” and I don’t have a problem it. No homosexual need fear me or my feelings. They just wouldn’t be among my circle of frinds and I guess I still have the right to hang around with whomever I wish.


27 posted on 10/12/2007 3:34:24 AM PDT by GOP_Proud (I'm really tired of the Paulie WalNUTS.)
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To: dsc

dsc wrote: “No room for human weakness; no room for error; no room for repentance. Stumble once, and you become one more piece of proof that all Christians are hypocrites.”

Good points. Truth be told, we are ALL hypocrites. Any Christian who claims otherwise is likely not being truthful with themselves.


28 posted on 10/12/2007 3:36:45 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: PetroniusMaximus
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. (2 Timothy 4:3)

We are now in that time and I am very shocked and saddened at Andy Stanley.

The world makes those who are perishing feel accepted. Christians are called to be the "salt of the earth"; not the ones who make those who are enslaved to their sin feel okay about it and feel like they are in no need of rescue- feel like there is nothing wrong with them and they don't need a Savior.

Is there no one left on the earth who claims the name of Christ that feels immense sorrow about the fallen state of man and who is burdened to tell as many people as possible that there is a way of escape from God's judgment? Is there anybody?

29 posted on 10/12/2007 3:37:00 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: PetroniusMaximus

So, now the pop-culturists are drawing a clearly inferred distinction between “youth” and “Christians” as though these are entirely separate, if not actively antithetical, entities, rather than overlapping ones.

I am neither a youth nor a Christian but I know plenty of people who are both and who are not aware of any tension or inconsistency in those affiliations.


30 posted on 10/12/2007 3:40:13 AM PDT by atomic conspiracy (Rousing the blog-rabble since 9-11-01)
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To: ketsu

‘Too many churches today produce Churchians, not Christians. “

Thats true for people of all types and not limited to Churches. People want the benefit without paying the bill.


31 posted on 10/12/2007 3:40:16 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver
Thats true for people of all types and not limited to Churches. People want the benefit without paying the bill.
Not going to argue with you there.
32 posted on 10/12/2007 3:41:08 AM PDT by ketsu
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To: PetroniusMaximus

I’m not anti-gay. I’m anti-men-making-other-men-squeal-like-Ned-Beatty.


33 posted on 10/12/2007 3:41:56 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich!)
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To: SkyPilot; dsc

Yes churches can be full of hypocrites. But there’s always room for one more.

:)


34 posted on 10/12/2007 3:43:39 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Some mornings I have to pinch myself to see if I am truly awake! Who are these people?? Wednesday, FCA just sponsored Fields of Faith at our public high school. They had to hold it on the football field, it was packed. The teenagers I know are extremely proud of their christianity. The largest by far groups at our school are FCA and Younglife and our school has 2000+ students.


35 posted on 10/12/2007 3:43:52 AM PDT by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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To: NurdlyPeon
I read the article. Total BS. What they call “judgment”, I call just having a sense of right and wrong. Stupid damn kids today don’t seem to be able to understand the difference between being judgmental and using your judgment.

Unfortunately, this is more evidence that a portion of the next generation of children have been dumbed down successfully by the Marxists. Their philosophy is of moral relativism, so they have no moral compass. With moral relativism as a core they see no problem with homosexual lifestyle, risky and degenerate as it is. These youngsters consider moral guidelines like the Ten Commandments as being out of date, and an attempt to force religion on them.

The great left wing conspiracy of the 1960s is bearing fruit.

36 posted on 10/12/2007 3:45:05 AM PDT by olezip
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GiovannaNicoletta wrote: “Is there no one left on the earth who claims the name of Christ that feels immense sorrow about the fallen state of man and who is burdened to tell as many people as possible that there is a way of escape from God’s judgment? Is there anybody?”

I witness when I can, but the topic doesn’t come up nearly as often as I wish. People nowadays definitely don’t discuss religion as much as when I was young, and it’s often considered impolite to broach the topic.

To tell the truth, I’m not led to simply blurt out, “Jesus saves!” to everyone I meet. Yet, I remember one time when I was taking a flight and this guy climbed on board and started handing out tracts while exclaiming his love for Christ. Perhaps he planted some seeds that day, or not. Either way, we should never be afraid to speak of our faith when given the opportunity. May the Lord grant me more opportunities to witness!


37 posted on 10/12/2007 3:49:08 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: driftdiver

Not just the MSM and Hollywood, but public schools, local governments, etc.


38 posted on 10/12/2007 3:55:23 AM PDT by Brakeman (Subsidies, while expensive for the donor, are ruinous for the recipient.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Roman Hedonists making a comeback.

Children not wanting to be called christian?

how did they ask the question? “Do you like being called with the homophobic, bigotted, hypocritical ‘christian’?”


39 posted on 10/12/2007 3:55:45 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: CitizenUSA

“I witness when I can, but the topic doesn’t come up nearly as often as I wish. People nowadays definitely don’t discuss religion as much as when I was young, and it’s often considered impolite to broach the topic.”

True but its amazing what kind of depraved things can be discussed without problem.

The old image of shoving religion down someones throat turns many people away. I’ve found the simple works best. A well placed comment, a personal statement of what you believe. Telling people what they should believe doesn’t work. Telling people what you believe and why does work. Then simply ask if they are interested. Having a simple tract to hand them helps as a follow up.


40 posted on 10/12/2007 3:56:21 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: olezip
The great left wing conspiracy of the 1960s is bearing fruit.

I agree. I think I'm going to coin a new term here. I'm going to call it "resultism". It's has the advantage of being objective and "non judgmental". And it's not based on what "might" happen, it's based on what will "probably" happen. To borrow from post #7, homosexuality leads to a depressing, loveless, unhealthy, and barren lifestyle. That's the "probable" result. Then you can just ask people if that's something that they want to promote, aspire to, and encourage. When you "tolerate" homosexuality, i.e. you don't speak out against it, you are encouraging it.

41 posted on 10/12/2007 3:58:05 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Thompson / Hunter in 2008)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

The study is crap. The sample includes a minority of ‘active church-goers’ who are asked if Christians are anti-gay. And they said yes. Duh!

The sample plan is probably nonexistent. The study’s questions are poorly worded.

And the story is put out by USA Today, a syndicated rag that pulls for the atheist left.


42 posted on 10/12/2007 3:59:25 AM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: driftdiver

driftdiver wrote: “True but its amazing what kind of depraved things can be discussed without problem.”

Yes, it is. The younger generation discusses their sex lives, physical problems, etc in great detail. I’d be embarrassed to discuss many of the intimate details they have no problem sharing in mixed company.


43 posted on 10/12/2007 4:06:50 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: CitizenUSA
It just seems that many Christian pastors and "leaders" are falling into the thrall of the world in that they are watering down the very unambiguous, uncompromising, Word of God that plainly states that "unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God".

There is absolutely no possible manner in which the way of the world, which loves sin and rejects Christ, can be reconciled to the way of God, which is narrow and provides only one way out of eternal damnation. To see men who have answered the call of God to be ministers attempt to please the world by ignoring the central, unyielding truth of the Gospel; that is, without Christ one cannot know God or spend eternity with Him, is frightening and immensely dismaying.

I suppose it's just one more sign of the times we live in.

44 posted on 10/12/2007 4:07:35 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: PetroniusMaximus
The other side of the coin---Christians see secular anti-Christians as judgemental, hypocritical (tolerance and free speech for them only), and pro-gay. The libs have all the rights, right?

vaudine

45 posted on 10/12/2007 4:11:33 AM PDT by vaudine (RO)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

GiovannaNicoletta wrote: “To see men who have answered the call of God to be ministers attempt to please the world by ignoring the central, unyielding truth of the Gospel; that is, without Christ one cannot know God or spend eternity with Him, is frightening and immensely dismaying.”

Yes. Unfortunately, many pastors seem afraid of mentioning sin or repentance lest they discourage their more generous contributors! I say, speak the truth boldly and watch how fast your church fills. True Christians will seek you out in droves!


46 posted on 10/12/2007 4:14:27 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: Hostage

Yes, it would be interesting to look at the cross-tabs and demographics. The concern among the Left is that it’s the right-wing that is having most of the children.


47 posted on 10/12/2007 4:14:29 AM PDT by MSF BU
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To: CitizenUSA

The problem is this. In modern America, most media push the ideas of relativism, that there is no fixed standard of right and wrong, so these kids don’t have a strong sense of themselves as sinners. Acceptance and love, combined with a “go and sin no more” doesn’t register as acceptance and love, but as condemnation. It’s a difference in perspective and the Christians have the right perspective. Each of these kids will face themselves as a sinner one day and, God willing, realize that the people talking to them about morals did so in love and with love and took a bit of a risk to do it.


48 posted on 10/12/2007 4:21:38 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: NurdlyPeon

No I’m afraid it isn’t total BS. It’s a very serious challenge to Christianity. I’m quite sure a great many people really do believe Christians are “judgemental” and “anti-gay”, and that is a problem.

Of course, their definition of “judgemental” and “anti-gay” isn’t the same as mine (or in fact, the same as anyone with half a functioning brain)


49 posted on 10/12/2007 4:21:58 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: ketsu

I agree absolutely.


50 posted on 10/12/2007 4:23:22 AM PDT by Vanders9
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