Skip to comments.Survey: Male gay teachers abuse most
Posted on 10/12/2007 8:01:24 AM PDT by yankeesdoodle
A survey of news stories in seven English-speaking countries conducted by the Family Research Institute shows that incidents of teacher-pupil sex are most often perpetrated by male homosexual teachers. Overall, 43 percent of teachers who made the news for having sex with their pupils over the last 27 years were homosexual.
Homosexual teachers violated 1,925 (56 percent) of the 3,457 pupil-victims. Women were 11 percent of perpetrators, but a heterosexual female teacher was least apt to have sex with pupils, Christian Newswire reported Thursday.
Lexis-Nexis was searched from 1980 through 2006 uncovering 902 teachers who had sex with pupils. Teachers who engaged in homosexuality constituted 63 percent of perpetrators in Ireland, 62 percent in New Zealand, 60 percent in Canada, 54 percent in Scotland, 48 percent in Australia, 47 percent in England and 35 percent in the United States.
(Excerpt) Read more at religionandspirituality.com ...
They’re only doing it at school because they’re not allowed to be parents.
There’s a shock.....
Wow. Considering they make up around 2-4% of the population at large, these are huge numbers.
"Hey, I resemble that remark."
"Hey, I resemble that remark."
First paragraph - "43 percent of teachers who made the news for having sex with their pupils over the last 27 years were homosexual."
Must be the new math.
"Gay Adoption and Parental Choice" In some states, gay couples can adopt children.
Gay male teachers and young boy students. Kind of like the fox in the hiney house.
Allowing homosexuals to teach children is like having alcoholic bartenders.
Bears repeating. 2-5% are committing 56% of the known offenses!
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So much for the school boy fantasies.
“Must be the new math.” mtbopfuyn
You have a point only if 43% or more of the teachers are gay. If only 5% or less of teachers are gay, then 5% of the teacher population is committing 43% of the offenses (35% in the U.S.A.).
What is missing from this study is an accurate picture of the numbers of teachers of each sex vs. the numbers of students of each sex. That would be a much harder study to do, and would not be available from public records such as this study used.
For instance, is there more male-to-male or female-to-female sex in sex-segregated schools, where the teachers are also of the same sex?
The study says that the incidence of homosexual male sex is least in Africa and Asia — is that because there is a greater taboo, because females are more devalued by society, or because there are greatly more female teachers than male teachers than in Europe and the U.S.?
It would be interesting to know.
Once again, it goes back to the obvious, but definitely un-researched, fact that homosexuals are far more likely to have both physical and psychological abnormalities unrelated, but possibly associated, with their sexuality, than heterosexuals.
In other words, their abnormalities are not *caused* by their homosexuality, but are independent of it, unless they assume or choose to intertwine the two.
Ironically, this leaves a lot of homosexuals walking around with treatable physical and mental conditions, because the assumption is that they are either part of their homosexuality, or as a consequence of their homosexuality.
The reason that it is un-researched is probably based in fear that if homosexuals are discovered to have a far higher percentage of abnormalities in their bodies and minds, that it will somehow be used as an excuse to despise them further.
But as it is, it just results in a lot of untreated suffering on their part, yet again ironically, suffering that would not be alleviated even if they accomplished their agenda.
As far as society as a whole is concerned, however, until these individuals who especially have psychological problems are treated for those problems, they are, and should be scrutinized, as much as anyone else with untreated psychological problems. It is not because they are homosexual, it is because they have some degree of untreated mental illness.
...Though there are scientific journals that publish some empirical studies and reviews about human SS [same-sex desires and/or behavior], no journal is solely dedicated to its empirical study. The Empirical Journal of Same-Sex Sexual Behavior (EJSSB) aims to fill this void.
EJSSB was conceptualized by Dr. Paul Cameron and Dr. George Rekers in late 2006. Both felt that a pall of censorship had descended upon academia, and an unbiased peer-reviewed journal editorially, neither dedicated to, nor in opposition to, gay rights was needed. A clear illustration of this censorship occurred in the on-line version of Pediatrics. When Drs. Paul and Kirk Cameron first submitted Problems With Pawelski, et als Article on the Well-Being of Children of Homosexuals to Pediatrics (aappublications.org/cgi/eletters/118/1/349, 2006), it was published immediately and remained on the website for a couple of months. A member of the American Academy of Pediatrics submitted another critique and it too was published briefly. Both then disappeared. After multiple attempts to get these articles reinstated as per the claimed policy of Pediatrics it became clear that inclusion of facts not in accord with the pro-gay rights stance of the journal... would not be permitted. This kind of censorship is diametrically opposed to what science and free inquiry are all about. Further, in this instance, professionals dealing with children were exposed to a one-sided, prohomosexual set of poor research. Not telling the whole truth has consequences for any society.
Being empirical rather than theoretical, studies published in EJSSB will generally use descriptive rather than diagnostic or political language....
Why EJSSB is Different
Many journals such as those of the American Psychological and Sociological Associations take an advocacy role regarding SS, refusing to publish papers that might be construed as injuring the progress of the gay movement. Others, such as Pediatrics, publish reviews of parenting by those who engage in SS, but present one side of the issue while deliberately ignoring counter-research. As a purely scholarly publication devoted to scientific investigations, the Empirical Journal of Same-Sex Sexual Behavior will not take any editorial stance or advocacy position for or against gay rights, the age of consent, the criminalization of SS, whether those who practice SS should be induced to change, etc. because these are all matters of public policy, law, politics, moral judgment, and/or opinion. Empirical phenomena constitute the sole academic focus of this journal. A number of our editors and reviewers are anonymous because they fear for their careers. This indicates the degree to which being in scientific fashion regarding gay rights has become a requirement for publication. Even opening the possibility that one is not in favor of gay rights can be a career killer. EJSSB exists to permit free, unfettered inquiry. No editorial stance regarding gay rights pro or con is taken in the hope that, in the long run, truth will out.
so 2% of the population is responsible for 56% of molestations?
oh well, not that there’s anything wrong with that, eh? /sarcasm
This really explains where “homophobes” come from. Those that are molested become either homophobic or queer.
...so they can screw these children up even more!!!!
Following up on my earlier post, here are the bios of the Doctors Paul Cameron and Kirk Cameron mentioned in the “About” page of the journal where the study appeared:
If, however, they mean both Gay Males and Gay Females together represent 43% of all abusers, it is still possible, but not clear from the data, that the largest group of abusers is Gay Male.
MALES are drum roll ....
They see a cute little thing and have little restraint.
You have to admit, it takes EXTREME imagination to truly believe that sadistic sex is “making love” or that two males can successfully imitate a normal heterosexual relationship as ONE male and ONE female.
No, I think you just misunderstood what they were saying. Male homosexual teachers commit 43% of these crimes. Meaning that is more than the proportion committed by female homosexual teachers or heterosexual teachers of either gender.
Sorry, I mistyped. What I meant was that males were the largest portion of the 43% that are homosexual.
A dirtly little secret that the Dems always try to sweep under the rug is that homosexuals ARE disproportionately more prone to molest children. It has always been true. Homosexuals make up approximately 2-3% of the population yet account for 27% of the molestations. That means statitically that any individual homosexual is far more prone to pedophilia than any individual heterosexual. Their lifestyle is intimately tied to man/boy relationships. Dr. Laura Schlessinger had the guts to point this out years ago and look at what the homosexual activists tried to do to her.
Correction: 27% should be 43%!
I can here the shrieks coming from the light loafer crowd already....
The APA published a study that suggested children may benefit from Adult-Child Sex. May they assume room temperature soon.
You can’t be serious that you would take an organization like the BOX TURTLE seriously!
It’s another LEFTIST apology group!
Atleast understand that the Box Turtle ADVOCATES any kind of sexuality - and why it is REJECTED as OBJECTIVE and certainly not a scientific group. You’ve been fooled!
I wouldn’t trust anything from that Box Turtle site. A quick check of their ‘About Us’ page yields this:
“And if youre already out, proud, and on the front lines of the battle for gay rights, this site is for you too.”
Obviously they have an agenda.
“Obviously they have an agenda.”
And religionandspirituality.com... doesn’t? Paul Cameron has an “agenda” — does that alone invalidate the study? If so, why is it even being discussed?
I’m sorry — praising one and rejecting the other solely on whether or not you agree with their particular agenda is just stupid.
Well if the loafer fits wear it ;-)
Im sure the NEA will be able to explain this away and using group coercision force all teachers under the name of ‘diversity’ and tolerance to teach that homosexual men arent bad at all they are just misunderstood. We need to support them and offer up our young children to them in order to show that we are not ‘homophobic’. “Everything will be alright Mr. and Mrs. RINO/Leftist - we understand that eventhough Mr.Homoteacher is teaching little Johnny he wouldnt ever molest him.”
Time to take back our school and our country from the RINOs and the leftists.
This is just based on Lexis/Nexis searches?
Editors conceal the sex of the children to protect/conceal the fact it is a homosexual attack.
If not reported, it is not part of this survey.
It's kind of like illegal aliens are criminals because they are ILLEGAL aliens.
We know homosexuals have some mental illness simply because they are homosexual. Homosexuality IS a mental illness.
This was posted as a rebuttle to Caerons research on www.space.com under there FreeSpace forum, you have to register to view that forum though:
“Intersting, interesting...Well now...it appears that I’ve found the hole in the statistical argument used.
Basically, I took each separate grouping and calculated the 95% confidence intervals on the sample of each group. Here are the statistics on it:
One Sample, Mean: t
Details Data Input Results
- Confidence Interval: Two sided Confidence Level % 95.0% Sample Mean 3.86
- Numerical Variable Sample Size, n 11 Standard Error 0.567
- Source: Summary Measures Sample Mean, XBar 3.86 t +/- 2.228
Sample SD, s 1.88 df 10
95% Interval: m
- From: 2.597
- To: 5.123
One Sample, Mean: t
Details Data Input Results
- Confidence Interval: Two sided Confidence Level % 95.0% Sample Mean 5.03
- Numerical Variable Sample Size, n 11 Standard Error 0.289
- Source: Summary Measures Sample Mean, XBar 5.03 t +/- 2.228
Sample SD, s 0.96 df 10
95% Interval: m
- From: 4.385
- To: 5.675
Basically what I found is that there is a 95% probability that the true mean abuses of Straight abusers is between 2.597 and 5.123.
The 95% confidence interval of Homosexual abusers is between 4.385 and 5.675.
Now, taking the raw statistics at face value where “Homosexual” abusers abuse the same sex and “Straight” abusers abuse the opposite sex (which I don’t agree with that assumption to begin with), this means that the argument that Homosexuals abuse more than Heteros is bogus if using the data set provided.
Additionally, there is a very large standard deviation of the straight data set, which implies that there either is not enough data in the set, or that the set has problems.
I love busting arguments...LMAO...”
Can someone qualified with statistics please analyse this rebuttle and let me know if it’s correct?
Facts are mean-spirited
homosexuals ARE disproportionately more prone to molest children.
I think this post refers to teacher-student sex, not the population at large where most pedophiles are straight family members or are individuals close to the family of the molested children. Considering this I think the above text segment makes erroneousor assumptions and at the least, misleading.
Pedophiles are in a class by themselves. They may not admit to being either gay or straight but the study may draw a conclusion erroneously from the sex act itself and the sex of the individuals involved. Does this study group consider a married straight family man homosexual if he molests a male child even if the abuser will not admit to being homosexual?? I’d like to see more data and learn more about the study’s methodology.
What do you mean by that?
"Who woulda ever thunk it?!"
I tried to be careful to distinguish that from other pathologies, as a different debate. This is why I also noted that it is very common for homosexuals to have physical complaints and defects that are clearly removed from their sexuality—but ironically are sometimes twinned with it.
And, I might also add that “illegal aliens” are not actually “illegal”, first because unlawfully crossing the border is only a prosecutable misdemeanor if you are observed doing it—it cannot be legally assumed, even though it is obvious that you had to illegally cross the border. And on top of that, unauthorized residency in the US is not a crime at all, it is a civil offense.
So the only true “illegal aliens” are individuals who have been banned from re-entry into the US. This is the one serious felony crime associated with unlawful entry or residence other than trafficking, and such banned people can receive up to a maximum 20 years in federal prison for that crime.
“most pedophiles are straight family members or are individuals close to the family of the molested children.”
What I was trying to clarify is to debunk the meme of the homosexual activists that they don’t tend towards pedophilia. But the statistics show that indeed even though homosexuals account for 2-3% of the population, they commit a much higher (disproportionate) number of molestations. So just mathematically, any homosexual that you meet or know of, has a much much higher chance of being a child molester than any single heterosexual. Because there are vastly more heterosexuals in the population, the homosexual activists try to use that number, but it doesn’t equate.
The primary fault with your "logical" statistical model/argument is that you presume sexual orientation to be a scientifically objectively proved factor. I read the study to be based upon the sexual act alone regardless of what sexual orientation the reported predators may claim to "feel" they are... In essence, male on male sex is by default a homosexual act AND implies by default an objectively proved state of homosexual orientation at a minimum while the predatory act was perpetrated...
SO -assuming ALL cases reported are normally distributed (hence proportionally equal) then one would expect to see an equal number of male on -> female, female on -> male, female on -> female, and male on -> male sexual predations. This study correctly points out the obvious, which is (when normalized based upon the accepted "sexual orientation" distribution within society), that homosexual males present the greatest predation danger to young boys... In summary it is dangerous and quite stupid to consider homosexual coaches, babysitters, boy scout leaders, etcetera to be on par with heterosexual boy scout leaders etcetera etcetera....
I don't know what you are implying by "physical," but as for psychological pathologies, they has been extensively researched and validated. Homosexuals have elevated rates of depression, character disorder, substance abuse and suicide, and these have not gone down as "gay lifestyle" acceptance has spread.
Whoever told you such variables were "definitely un-researched" was "definitely" blowing smoke up your butt.
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