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The GOP's 20% Problem
The Wall Street Journal/Opinion Journal ^ | 10/12/2007 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 10/12/2007 9:00:03 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross

Fred Thompson gives "a very incoherent and not very concise stump speech," peaked months ago, and is the campaign's "biggest dud." Mitt Romney has "an authenticity problem"; he is "almost too mechanical about the issues." John McCain faces "enormous hurdles," and the "irony" of his quest is that he may just be repeating 2000. Mike Huckabee has "the obvious problems--being from Hope, Ark., and quite frankly having the last name Huckabee." The craven Republicans are "terrified about losing the presidency after losing Congress." All this comes from Terry McAuliffe, longtime Democratic Party mover, maven and moneyman, who's obviously hoping for a Democratic win.

Only kidding. It comes from Mr. McAuliffe's new podium partner on the Washington speech circuit, longtime Bush operative Dan Bartlett, recently departed after years as White House communications director.

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It is good to see Peggy on top of her game with these pointed observations of the RNC establishment. I like the comparison of the recent Dan Bartlett commentary to something that Terry McAuliffe would say (you know, this also is a call for FReeper commentary to possibly refrain from saying what also comes out of Terry McAuliffe's mouth). In our exuberance to promote 'our guy', we don't need to trash other ABR's (anybody but Rudy). Apparently, the RNC establishment is trashing them enough.
1 posted on 10/12/2007 9:00:06 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross
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To: Servant of the Cross

I disagree.

The primaries are for taking on your own parties internal differences, airing them out, turning them inside out in short.

Too many people misuse Reagan’s ‘eleventh commandment’, as in this context.

Anyone remember Ronald Reagan going after Jerry Ford in the primaries in 76? I do.

Anyone remember RR going after Bush the Elder in 1980?

I do.

As for Peggy, love her to death, but her bitterness about not being asked to join the current administration has made her ‘snippy’ and ‘unreliable’ since the January 05 hit piece about the Inaugural.


2 posted on 10/12/2007 9:04:27 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

One thing that Mr. McAuliffe negelects to state is that the biggest majority of Republicans don’t have the ties that the Democrats have. Ever watch the “Clinton Chronicles”? Worth watching. After watching this, most would not vote for anyone from Arkansas.


3 posted on 10/12/2007 9:06:53 AM PDT by RC2
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To: Badeye

Peggy turned into a scold a few years ago and hasn’t let up since. If she thinks Thompson has peaked then all I can say is she’s whistling past the graveyard...


4 posted on 10/12/2007 9:07:11 AM PDT by Russ
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To: Russ

‘Peggy turned into a scold a few years ago and hasn’t let up since.’

Yes, she has. Its unbecoming.

She makes some good points about Bartlett, and the administration. But she can’t hide her bitterness towards the President not hiring her in some capacity.

Just my opinion, based on reading her columns and books over the years.

And I’ll note, gee Peggy, you worked for Reagan...yet you still keep popping up in DC. When will you go home for a break?


5 posted on 10/12/2007 9:12:49 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: Russ

‘Peggy turned into a scold a few years ago and hasn’t let up since.’

Yes, she has. Its unbecoming.

She makes some good points about Bartlett, and the administration. But she can’t hide her bitterness towards the President not hiring her in some capacity.

Just my opinion, based on reading her columns and books over the years.

And I’ll note, gee Peggy, you worked for Reagan...yet you still keep popping up in DC. When will you go home for a break?


6 posted on 10/12/2007 9:13:08 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: Russ

‘Peggy turned into a scold a few years ago and hasn’t let up since.’

Yes, she has. Its unbecoming.

She makes some good points about Bartlett, and the administration. But she can’t hide her bitterness towards the President not hiring her in some capacity.

Just my opinion, based on reading her columns and books over the years.

And I’ll note, gee Peggy, you worked for Reagan...yet you still keep popping up in DC. When will you go home for a break?


7 posted on 10/12/2007 9:13:14 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: Servant of the Cross
I say that the GOP in general, and conservatives in particular, need a quick resolution to all of this by way of a clear winner early on in the process.

Look, here it is:

Either Rudy, Fred, or possibly Mitt is going to be the nominee.
Rudy.
Fred.

Then, either the GOP will have turned into the type of Republican Party that Rudy personifies and represents, or it may return to the conservative values that empowered them to the great success of the recent past.

The modern GOP has fractured into elitist Ivory tower snobs like McCain and Trent Lott, all of the K Street, open border, Globalist, show me the money crowd, and those of us remaining of true conservative values, both fiscal and family.

This then will be a battle over the future face of the GOP, and I firmly believe that Rudy will lose to Hillary.

The electoral numbers are there.

Fred has a chance, but Hillary is still the one with the electoral advantages and it is up to Fred - and us - to overcome them, and prevail.

Will the future face of the GOP be this?

Or this?

You choose.

8 posted on 10/12/2007 9:18:52 AM PDT by bill1952 (The 10 most important words for change: "If it is to be, it is up to me")
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To: Badeye
Amen Badeye. Like Newt, Noonan spends all her time aiming and firing at the GOP, never at the democrats. To her readers, it dissuades some from voting for the GOP and pushes some to the democratic camp. I quit listening to this windbag a while ago and I suspect good ole Ronnie would be very disappointed in her.
9 posted on 10/12/2007 9:22:46 AM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: bill1952

We don’t need to have a clear winner early. We need to start the Republican National Convention without knowing who the nominee will be. That will cause the convention to be more suspenseful and exciting, causing more people to watch and hear the great republican ideas. All of the republican conventions, since 1980, have been boring, since we knew who the nominee would be before the convention. However, after the convention, all of the anti-liberal voters, including Constitution and Libertarian Party members, should unite and work together to defeat the Democrat.

We should help the Democrats to be divided, before and during their convention. That might cause more of them to vote for the Green Party nominee.


10 posted on 10/12/2007 9:30:57 AM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: jrooney

‘....and I suspect good ole Ronnie would be very disappointed in her.’

Same here.


11 posted on 10/12/2007 9:33:18 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: PhilCollins
We should help the Democrats to be divided, before and during their convention. That might cause more of them to vote for the Green Party nominee.

That won't happen. They want to win too badly. They're like we were in 2000, Broken Glass Democrats. It's why all the talk about "I could never vote for Guiliani/McCain/Romney etc." is so scary. The Democrats will by absolutely, 100% united behind their nominee, whoever it is. If we don't act the same way we're toast.

12 posted on 10/12/2007 9:40:41 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: Servant of the Cross
"The GOP's 20% Problem"

A mere pittance compared to the GOP's 70% Iraq problem.

13 posted on 10/12/2007 9:42:13 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Servant of the Cross

I liked the piece. Heard Laura Ingraham tear Bartlett a new one yesterday.

Rudy is the Bush on steroids candidate. I don’t want anymore of that.

Notice how all pundits who don’t praise Rooty or Bush get badmouthed?


14 posted on 10/12/2007 9:43:05 AM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I liked the piece. Heard Laura Ingraham tear Bartlett a new one yesterday.

Rudy is the Bush on steroids candidate. I don’t want anymore of that.

Notice how all pundits who don’t praise Rooty or Bush get badmouthed?


15 posted on 10/12/2007 9:43:29 AM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: indylindy

keep getting that Temp Unavailable message

sorry about the double post.


16 posted on 10/12/2007 9:45:04 AM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: bill1952

It’s a shame that we lost the great Ronaldus Maximus. His counsel is sorely needed now.


17 posted on 10/12/2007 9:50:10 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: Servant of the Cross

It’s a valid criticism of the “Republican establishment.”

And those who read past the first paragraph will find that Peggy isn’t saying those things about the Republican candidates: Terry McAuliffe is, and his buddies from the Republican establishment.

Yes, it’s true that Peggy soured on Bush, often for the wrong reasons. But at this point what she says only makes too much sense. The Republican establishment is deaf to the base. They are more concerned about their future lobbying jobs and about getting along with hillary when, as they presume, she wins the next election, than they are with getting back in touch with the Republican base, reinvigorating the party, and winning the election.

About those things, she is absolutely right.


18 posted on 10/12/2007 9:52:23 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Sadly I see little difference between the same old two parties. It like they’ve become two divisions of the same giant corporation.

Most party conservatives of today, would have been labeled liberals and leftist just a few decades ago.


19 posted on 10/12/2007 9:56:13 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Servant of the Cross

That next shot you hear will be the RNC shooting itself in the foot. Hillary has to love it.


20 posted on 10/12/2007 9:56:13 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: bill1952

Reagan or Rudy. No Brainer. Than one realizes that Reagan is gone. God Bless him. But... if we consider the fact that McCain wants Greenspand dead or alive in his administration, why than can we not have Reagan or at least his effigy? We know that his effigy would be a better leader than the choices we have now.

Great pic of Reagan.


21 posted on 10/12/2007 10:01:27 AM PDT by rineaux (Just say NO to taglines)
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To: bill1952
I'm sorry after seeing Fred's performance the other night and hearing him speak a couple of times he is no RR. People can project all they want, but if Fred is our nominee we go down in flames. He comes across as old, sick and a little confused when he speaks. I wish it wasn't true because I like Fred and was waiting for him to enter the race hoping he would bring something to the table, but he didn't. I think I know why he waited so long. He wasn't committed to the endeavor because he knows he is not up to it.
22 posted on 10/12/2007 10:07:10 AM PDT by redangus
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To: Cicero

Great points. I think several posters did not read beyond the first paragraph - it’s Peggy, therefore it’s bad. Yes, Peggy has gone wobbly for awhile and yes, it has seemed to be due to the rejection of her by the powers that be in the Bush administration. However, when what she is observing and commenting about is echoed by Laura Ingraham, chances are there is something there. I don’t feel that President Bush has been well served by his communications team for quite some time now, if ever (could we put Vice President Cheney in charge of that too?) And it is also clear that the results of their actions only help Rudy.


23 posted on 10/12/2007 10:13:17 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: PhilCollins; jalisco555
The Democrats will by absolutely, 100% united behind their nominee, whoever it is. If we don't act the same way we're toast.

See that in post 12?

Truer words have never been spoken, and if you believe that
"We need to start the Republican National Convention without knowing who the nominee will be." then I have to assume that you have not thought your statement out.

Going into the convention without the GOP and it's voters all firmly and proudly behind one candidate who clearly enunciates the clear vision that we all desire is the shortest road to the longest defeat in history.

Excitement is for the playground, football, and the MSM.

I want victory, and I want your vote.

24 posted on 10/12/2007 10:13:31 AM PDT by bill1952 (The 10 most important words for change: "If it is to be, it is up to me")
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To: redangus

>I think I know why he waited so long. He wasn’t committed to the endeavor because he knows he is not up to it.

I believe that I will let Fred himself explain whats in his mind, rather than pay much attention to what other people say they think that they know what he thinks.

Follow?


25 posted on 10/12/2007 10:16:55 AM PDT by bill1952 (The 10 most important words for change: "If it is to be, it is up to me")
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To: Badeye

The big difference between rudy and mitt is that rudy is an open borders guy and mitt is not.


26 posted on 10/12/2007 10:26:01 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: All

It’s embarrassing to belong to a Republican Party that would choose Rudy over Duncan Hunter. It doesn’t say much for the future of the party or do anything to prevent its break up. I wonder, who did more to give conservatives our brief majority, Nixon or Carter. That seems to be where we are going, Rudy or Hillary.


27 posted on 10/12/2007 10:26:16 AM PDT by pallis
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To: bill1952

You were incorrect when you assumed that I hadn’t thought out my statement, when I said, “We need to start the Republican National Convention without knowing who the nominee will be.” I’ve been watching conventions, of both parties since 1976, when I was nine, and I’m tired of seeing boring conventions when we know who the nominees will be before the convention starts.

I agree that, by the end of the convention, the republican delegates should all firmly and proudly support one candidate who clearly enunciates the clear vision that we all desire, so that we can work together to defeat the Democrat.


28 posted on 10/12/2007 10:29:06 AM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: indylindy

There’s something going on with the server. It’s awfully slow at times (page loads), as well.


29 posted on 10/12/2007 10:29:54 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: ckilmer

No dispute on that score here.


30 posted on 10/12/2007 10:32:17 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: Badeye

“They serve and rarely leave. So often people work in government and make it more of a swamp; then they leave and become mosquitoes living off the pond scum, buzzing off the surface, eating well, issuing their little stings.”

Doesn’t Peggy’s unflattering description of the inside the Beltway crowd also fit her to a T?


31 posted on 10/12/2007 11:11:16 AM PDT by Cecily
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To: RC2

Don’t blame Arkansas. The hag from Illinois made Billy Jeff. Without her guidance, He would have never been anything but an ambulance chasing shyster lawyer or a used car salesman.


32 posted on 10/12/2007 11:11:57 AM PDT by seemoAR (Absolute power corrupts absolutely)
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To: Cecily

‘Doesn’t Peggy’s unflattering description of the inside the Beltway crowd also fit her to a T?’

I believe it does. Apparently she has a hairdresser and as such rarely looks into a mirror.....


33 posted on 10/12/2007 11:13:23 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: Servant of the Cross
It pathetic how means spirited, childish and whiny the old Dincons have become. Noonan has become Pat Buchanan in a dress. A hysteric, whiner has been who cannot grasp the reality that her world view became obsolete on 09-11-01.

Yo Ms Noonan, instead of venting your pathetic BDS for the 10,000 time, how about you discuss the Democrat Congress’s 11% approval rating?

Ah but that right, that would require you to actually take on your Leftists media buddies and speak truth to whiners. Why, they might not invite you to their cocktail party's anymore!

Wonder what Peggy would of said about a President that signed 6 tax hikes? A Real Illegal Alain Amnesty? Double Federal Spending in 8 years? Spent record Deficits? Ran away from a Muslim Terrorist threat? Appointed a Liberal to the Supreme Court?

That President was Ronald Reagan.

Nothing in life is ever perfect. Adults understand that. Whiny petulent children, like Ms Noonan, whine hsyterically about it. Instead of acting like a unpaid Democrat Campaign agent, maybe Peggy and the rest of the Always Whining pseudo Conservative Media Establishment MIGHT try actually attacking the Leftists ON ANY THING one time.

34 posted on 10/12/2007 11:16:41 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Yo Democrats : Donít tell us how to fight the war, we will not tell you how to be the village idiot.)
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To: Badeye

I think that will make the difference among conservatives. I think anyone interested in rudy’s nomination has to tell him that he needs to nail the border issue. its already sunk McCain. Nobody but nobody will trust him. the meeting out in Utah by social conservatives I think was meant to put the screws on mitt—at the time when social conservatives have the most leverage. I think the fear is that the tradeoff that mitt will make is to be strong on the border and weak on all social issues. He has a liberal wife


35 posted on 10/12/2007 11:18:22 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ex-snook
As always WRONG.

How about instead of mindlessly squealing the same senile dogmas about Iraq you actually finally learn something about Iraq?

Democrat Congress followed your RUN AWAY dogmas on Iraq. They now have a 3% approval rating on the issue.

What does that tell you about your Surrender Now Dogmas?

36 posted on 10/12/2007 11:20:22 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Yo Democrats : Donít tell us how to fight the war, we will not tell you how to be the village idiot.)
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To: ckilmer

Trying to predict what any President will do after being elected is hazardous at best.


37 posted on 10/12/2007 11:21:21 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: dragnet2
Chief Justice John Roberts. Associate Justice Sam Alito.

Those two names prove your theory that “the parties are all the same” the product of a rabidly ignorant mind.

To say such a thing you must either be working for the Democrat Party PR machine or wholly ignorant of all factual reality when it comes to politics.

So which is it? Fool or Fraud?

38 posted on 10/12/2007 11:23:57 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Yo Democrats : Donít tell us how to fight the war, we will not tell you how to be the village idiot.)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Uh oh. The 20% is going to have their knives out for Peggy.

I like this article. It articulates something I only understood on some subconscious level before reading this.

And to Barlett if you are out there: You are a punk and a loser.

39 posted on 10/12/2007 11:24:48 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Cleveland Indians 2007, Fred Thompson 2008)
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To: dragnet2
Sadly I see little difference between the same old two parties. It like they’ve become two divisions of the same giant corporation. Most party conservatives of today, would have been labeled liberals and leftist just a few decades ago.

I totally agree. The GOP has made an ugly liberal turn.

40 posted on 10/12/2007 11:26:23 AM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: PhilCollins

Then we agree on many things. Fair enough, honestly put.

Thank you for your post, - bill


41 posted on 10/12/2007 11:27:46 AM PDT by bill1952 (The 10 most important words for change: "If it is to be, it is up to me")
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To: Cicero; Servant of the Cross
No what we are tired of is this pathetic childish need of supposed “Conservatives” in the Junk media spending ALL their time firing on their OWN allies.

Tons of stuff to attack the Left on. From Schip to the lies directed at Rush to Iraq. Does Peggy and the rest of the “Conservative” media EVER attack the Left on ANYTHING? No they spend 100% of their time trash talking their allies.

Seems these losers want Hillary appointing the next 3 Supreme Court Justices just because their fragile little egos cannot stand to admit they have been wrong. Just like the Democrats, media “Conservatives” put their pathetic childish egos in front of the good of the Country.

They deserve all the scorn that is being directed at them.

42 posted on 10/12/2007 11:31:35 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Yo Democrats : Donít tell us how to fight the war, we will not tell you how to be the village idiot.)
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To: Badeye

true. but taking your word at its fullest meaning precludes the candidates utterings from having any meaning beyond the moment at all.


43 posted on 10/12/2007 11:32:05 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

Uh huh, what you said....(chuckle)


44 posted on 10/12/2007 11:33:36 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: MNJohnnie

You’ll find out on election day the difference between 70% and 20% since you can’t figure it out now.


45 posted on 10/12/2007 11:36:44 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: MNJohnnie
In this article, she merely repeats Dan Bartlett's comments; these aren't her opinions. She goes on to make the valid point that the Republican 'establishment' is not helpful to the conservative candidates in the primary and in fact seem to be rooting for Rooty.

IMHO, I think she's a closet FRedhead.

46 posted on 10/12/2007 11:36:55 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: jalisco555

Get used to it.

Actually, the vast majority of those who won’t vote for a candidate are saying that about the ‘Democrat in a cheap Republic suit’ Rudy, as they should be.

That will not change because Rudy is who he is.

I, as well as, most of the Freepers will vote for anyone but Rudy and quite possible Ron Paul.

All the others I can live with.

I will never vote for Rudy in the Primary or the General!


47 posted on 10/12/2007 11:40:56 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: MNJohnnie
Uh your fire should be directed at effete Washington snobs like Dan Bartlett not at Peggy who is just quoting him.
48 posted on 10/12/2007 11:41:10 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Cleveland Indians 2007, Fred Thompson 2008)
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To: MNJohnnie
Good post #42. I second that. Noonan and Newt NEVER, I repeat NEVER attack the democrats. Instead they load, point, aim and shoot their weapons at republicans. The viewers watching or reading these two ass clowns then get a negative picture of the GOP and come away thinking the democrats must be better because they are not receiving the negative scorn the republicans are. Noonan and Newt are the best friends of democrats because they are swaying republican or independent voters from the GOP. What kills me is how Noonan tries to protray herself as such a respectable lady on television, all along spewing the same vile Pelosi or Hillary does. Trash all of them.
49 posted on 10/12/2007 11:47:32 AM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: MNJohnnie
Its the new “kewl” on FR.

Losing is a virtue now! LOL

50 posted on 10/12/2007 11:48:01 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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